Adams: Government has to go

Run_to_da_hills

Gerry Adams has said the Government of this country has to go. Speaking in Dublin today Mr Adams criticised the Taoiseach Brian Cowen and his handling of the current economic crisis. Mr Adams said the Irish people have been left "leaderless".

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/adams-government-has-to-go-457800.html

Thats a bit harsh isnt it.

lugha

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Gerry Adams has said the Government of this country has to go. Speaking in Dublin today Mr Adams criticised the Taoiseach Brian Cowen and his handling of the current economic crisis. Mr Adams said the Irish people have been left "leaderless".

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/adams-government-has-to-go-457800.html

Thats a bit harsh isnt it.

If only Gerry would save his opinions for the parliament to which he has been elected :rolleyes:

anymore

Quite apart from the fact that he has embarassed himself all too often on irish economics - does he know we use the Euro down here ?, isnt the Prime Minister in his country David Cameron ?

Winty

What does Adams want to do? plant a bomb or shoot them

steelcityblues

He would love to take over the reigns!

PARKHEAD67

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Gerry Adams has said the Government of this country has to go. Speaking in Dublin today Mr Adams criticised the Taoiseach Brian Cowen and his handling of the current economic crisis. Mr Adams said the Irish people have been left "leaderless".

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/adams-government-has-to-go-457800.html

Thats a bit harsh isnt it.

NO.Absolutely not.If people still cant grasp the fact that Fianna Fail has destroyed this country by now, Im flabbergasted. And fatpuss cowen was minister for finance while all this s***e was happening.

PARKHEAD67

Winty wrote: »

What does Adams want to do? plant a bomb or shoot them

Either of the above.

Winty

PARKHEAD67 wrote: »

Either of the above.

Killing is all a terrorist understands

anymore

PARKHEAD67 wrote: »

NO.Absolutely not.If people still cant grasp the fact that Fianna Fail has destroyed this country by now, Im flabbergasted. And fatpuss cowen was minister for finance while all this s***e was happening.

The same Gerry and his buddy Marty were all to happy to be playing in the well known and long running Soap Opera, aka ' The Peace Process' with their very best buddy Bertie Ahern ?
Where were the concerns about the economy then ?

PARKHEAD67

Winty wrote: »

Killing is all a terrorist understands

I dont particularly like Adams or S.F. actually. But what fianna fail has done to this country is utterly despicable.E.g. Our great minister mcdaid driving down the wrong side of a motorway in his big merc pissed off his skull!!! In any other European country he'd be sacked (+jailed). But in Ireland? God help us.

Winty

PARKHEAD67 wrote: »

I dont particularly like Adams or S.F. actually. But what fianna fail has done to this country is utterly despicable.E.g. Our great minister mcdaid driving down the wrong side of a motorway in his big merc pissed off his skull!!! In any other European country he'd be sacked (+jailed). But in Ireland? God help us.

You make a strong case as to why FF should go.
Yes we do need a new leadership to try and get Ireland back on track but I dont want Mr Adams telling how thing should be done. I will listen to people from the SDLP or the Ulster Unionist Party before I want some terrorist telling the Irish how to run the state.

joolsveer

I think Adams has to go. As an unelected person who resides outside the state he has no right to make demands about our government.

OhNoYouDidn't

joolsveer wrote: »

I think Adams has to go. As an unelected person who resides outside the state he has no right to make demands about our government.

He is elected as an MP and is the leader of a party represented in the Dail. He is more than entitled to have an opinion on the government of the day.

There is a hugely infantile trend on this site to dismiss statements and acts on the basis of childish insults about the person rather than the substance of the statement itself.

owenc

isn't that just typical of him!

OhNoYouDidn't

Winty wrote: »

You make a strong case as to why FF should go.
Yes we do need a new leadership to try and get Ireland back on track but I dont want Mr Adams telling how thing should be done. I will listen to people from the SDLP or the Ulster Unionist Party before I want some terrorist telling the Irish how to run the state.

Meanwhile in the real world the rest of us will make up our minds on what a politician says without looking at our shoes.

anymore

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

He is elected as an MP and is the leader of a party represented in the Dail. He is more than entitled to have an opinion on the government of the day.

There is a hugely infantile trend on this site to dismiss statements and acts on the basis of childish insults about the person rather than the substance of the statement itself.

Whislt many of the remarks about Adams have been light hearted or frivolous, Mr Adams himself has persistenly avoided the real questions that have been put to him about his previous activities. Need i mention a recent book ?

OhNoYouDidn't

anymore wrote: »

Whislt many of the remarks about Adams have been light hearted or frivolous, Mr Adams himself has persistenly avoided the real questions that have been put to him about his previous activities. Need i mention a recent book ?

I agree and have no time for him or his party. I was commenting on the inane prattle that the leader of one of the Dail parties has no right to comment on political matters in the 26 counties.

Winty

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Meanwhile in the real world the rest of us will make up our minds on what a politician says without looking at our shoes.

What kind of jibberish is that, explain please I dont understand

I have made up my own mind, its just you dont like it

OhNoYouDidn't

Winty wrote: »

What kind of jibberish is that, explain please I dont understand

I have made up my own mind, its just you dont like it

I don't give a rashers, thats my point

The issue here is you are telling Adams, the leader of a party in the Dail, that he has no right to comment on matters because his party were once alligned with 'terrorists'. Newsflash - if you take that approach the only party in the Dail that you can listen too are the Greens...

In short, discuss what he has to say, not try and deny that he has a right to say it in the first place.

PARKHEAD67

levies on wages?On top of our already reduced wages while the cost of EVERYTHING goes up? The best 'occupation' in modern day Ireland is an unemployed drug dealer.Get the drug money, stroll down to the social office and claim whats 'rightfully yours' as a 'citizen'.I shake my head sometimes and wonder why I get up and do 12 hour shifts. Dont worry though. Supercowan and his chronies have it all under control.GANGSTERS. Wheres me brown envelope?

anymore

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

I don't give a rashers, thats my point

The issue here is you are telling Adams, the leader of a party in the Dail, that he has no right to comment on matters because his party were once alligned with 'terrorists'. Newsflash - if you take that approach the only party in the Dail that you can listen too are the Greens...

In short, discuss what he has to say, not try and deny that he has a right to say it in the first place.

In farness his party wasnt aligned with terrorists; SF were the junior political wing ! And Adams was on the Army Council - the only person in the whole wide world who doesnt know that is apparently Gerry Adams himself !

Winty

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

if you take that approach the only party in the Dail that you can listen too are the Greens...

All parties excluding the greens have a long long history that has connections to a violent past but Adams was the boss of a killing gang as little as 12 years ago and he still has blood on his shoes, thats why I never look at them

Nodin

Winty wrote: »

Killing is all a terrorist understands

I see we're in for well reasoned debate here then.

Just to test your 'logic' - If "Killing is all a terrorist understands" why was there a peace process, an end to the violence and an agreement signed up to all parties?

danbohan

Winty wrote: »

All parties excluding the greens have a long long history that has connections to a violent past but Adams was the boss of a killing gang as little as 12 years ago and he still has blood on his shoes, thats why I never look at them[/

your killing gang is another freedom fighters , anyway its irrelvant to op about adams comments , as leader of party thats has tds in this country he is entitled to do so , as leader of a party with 6% in opnion poles his comments have little or no value , they are ramblings of a far left lunatic fringe

Winty

Nodin wrote: »

If "Killing is all a terrorist understands" why was there a peace process, an end to the violence and an agreement signed up to all parties?

Money my good man Money

20 Million stolen with permission from the Ulster Bank in Belfast paved the way from the arms to be put away

Nodin

Winty wrote: »

Money my good man Money

20 Million stolen with permission from the Ulster Bank in Belfast paved the way from the arms to be put away

The peace process started over two decades ago. There was a cessation before the arms were destroyed. You'll have to do better.

Winty

Nodin wrote: »

The peace process started over two decades ago. .

Correct, but it was not until the Boys got their pension paid in cash that the guns was put away for Good*


* lets wait and see, we are not safe yet

OhNoYouDidn't

Winty wrote: »

All parties excluding the greens have a long long history that has connections to a violent past but Adams was the boss of a killing gang as little as 12 years ago and he still has blood on his shoes, thats why I never look at them

So don't, and I am of the same mind on Adams.

But I still amn't arrogant enough to say he has no right to comment on economic policy. He has more of a right to than IBEC for example....

OhNoYouDidn't

Winty wrote: »

Money my good man Money

20 Million stolen with permission from the Ulster Bank in Belfast paved the way from the arms to be put away

Fabulous.

Winty

danbohan wrote: »

your killing gang is another freedom fighters

You are correct Freedom Fighters

If it were not for the good old PIRA we would all now be speaking English, watching Chelsea win the FA Cup and voting for our favourite to win the X factor

Can we get back to the OP please

rovert

Cowen has 24 hours to leave the country

Nodin

Winty wrote: »

Correct, but it was not until the Boys got their pension paid in cash that the guns was put away for Good*


* lets wait and see, we are not safe yet

So now you're claiming - on top of the idea that the robbery was permitted - that the verification process was a farce?

OhNoYouDidn't

Nodin wrote: »

So now you're claiming - on top of the idea that the robbery was permitted - that the verification process was a farce?

Hold on there, I want to get some popocorn. We have a live one...

Winty

Nodin wrote: »

So now you're claiming - on top of the idea that the robbery was permitted - that the verification process was a farce?

The PIRA wanted cash from both the British and Irish Gov.

They could not in the eyes of the yanks be seen dealing with terrorists so the Ulster Bank was allowed to be done over so the boys could go and live in Spain.

Simple, they get cash we peace (but the odd knee capping was still allowed)

OhNoYouDidn't

Winty wrote: »

The PIRA wanted cash from both the British and Irish Gov.

They could not in the eyes of the yanks be seen dealing with terrorists so the Ulster Bank was allowed to be done over so the boys could go and live in Spain.

Simple, they get cash we peace (but the odd knee capping was still allowed)

So explain the exhaustive police investigation and the treatment dished out to Chris Ward?

LordSutch

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Gerry Adams has said the Government of this country has to go.

Who cares what he thinks, its not even his Government :rolleyes:

OhNoYouDidn't

Camelot wrote: »

Who cares what he thinks, its not even his Government :rolleyes:

So no-one outside cabinet is entitled to an opinion?

Thanks for clearing that up

mike65

I suppose if they smuggled Cowen across the border in the boot of car and blew his head off it would be a start...a small start but hey!

LordSutch

mike65 wrote: »

I suppose if they smuggled Cowen across the border in the boot of car and blew his head off it would be a start...a small start but hey!

If only, but Adams & his boys don't do that kind of thing anymore

Nodin

Winty wrote: »

The PIRA wanted cash from both the British and Irish Gov.

They could not in the eyes of the yanks be seen dealing with terrorists so the Ulster Bank was allowed to be done over so the boys could go and live in Spain.

Dear me. What "boys" went to live in spain, and do you have a source for that please?

aDeener

Winty wrote: »

You make a strong case as to why FF should go.
Yes we do need a new leadership to try and get Ireland back on track but I dont want Mr Adams telling how thing should be done. I will listen to people from the SDLP or the Ulster Unionist Party before I want some terrorist telling the Irish how to run the state.

lol you would like bigots telling us what to do? :rolleyes:

Winty

Nodin wrote: »

Dear me.

If you are from the North you will remember that the PIRA was one of the biggest employers in the 1980's

Forcing money from Business people was a good earner

rightwingdub

Gerry Adams should made Minister for Child Protection, he really helped his niece when she needed it:rolleyes:

Nodin

Winty wrote: »

If you are from the North you will remember that the PIRA was one of the biggest employers in the 1980's

Forcing money from Business people was a good earner

That wasn't what I asked you. You made a claim

They could not in the eyes of the yanks be seen dealing with terrorists so the Ulster Bank was allowed to be done over so the boys could go and live in Spain.

What "boys" went to live in Spain and where is your source for that claim?

Exile 1798

Winty wrote: »

You make a strong case as to why FF should go.
Yes we do need a new leadership to try and get Ireland back on track but I dont want Mr Adams telling how thing should be done. I will listen to people from the SDLP or the Ulster Unionist Party before I want some terrorist telling the Irish how to run the state.

The same Irish state that was founded by "terrorists"?

That's a bit rich. Surely Adams, being a "terrorist" is uniquely qualified to comment on affairs of the Irish Sate, created after a bloody campaign of "terrorism."

Exile 1798

lugha wrote: »

If only Gerry would save his opinions for the parliament to which he has been elected :rolleyes:

Is there any good reason why he should?

A Primal Nut

joolsveer wrote: »

I think Adams has to go. As an unelected person who resides outside the state he has no right to make demands about our government.

What? You can't have an opinion about the government unless you are elected? Are you elected?

lugha

Exile 1798 wrote: »

Is there any good reason why he should?

For the same reason David Cameron or any other MP should. It is discourteous for a politician with a mandate in one state to be commenting on the internal political affairs of another state. Sinn Fein have plenty of public representatives in the republic if they feel inclined to share their economic wisdom with us.

dlofnep

lugha wrote: »

If only Gerry would save his opinions for the parliament to which he has been elected :rolleyes:

Ah yes, a red herring for breakfast. Just as well, I was feeling a bit peckish.

Gerry is the leader of Sinn Féin - A party which is represented in all 32 counties of Ireland. It's irrelevant as to where he is elected.

Exile 1798

lugha wrote: »

For the same reason David Cameron or any other MP should. It is discourteous for a politician with a mandate in one state to be commenting on the internal political affairs of another state. Sinn Fein have plenty of public representatives in the republic if they feel inclined to share their economic wisdom with us.

Indeed SF do have a lot of represtives in the Republic. They are infact the only political party organised in everyone of Ireland's 32 Counties.

Gerry Adams is the Leader of this all-Ireland party, I would think it very strange if he didn't comment on issues affecting the Republic.

I don't doubt for a moment that there are plenty of petty or silly reasons why you think the leadership of Sinn Féin should make no comment on the Fianna Fáil government's record, but as I said I'm quite doubtful you could come up with any good ones.

dermothickey

anymore wrote: »

In farness his party wasnt aligned with terrorists; SF were the junior political wing ! And Adams was on the Army Council - the only person in the whole wide world who doesnt know that is apparently Gerry Adams himself !

Do you really believe that Gerry adams was on the army council of The I.R.A. Think of it a guy who was followed around bugged, and on camera 24 hours a day for the past 35 years was sitting around having meetings continously with the chief staff?, The most secretive army council in the world? Crap all baseless lies.

He is a politician who has managed to help bring peace to the island of Ireland. Without his influence there would be no peace agreement. Wake up people and stop demonising people. What's in the past is in the past.

He made a simple statement which majority of the people on this Island would agree with. Anyone can see he tells the truth, we are left leaderless with cowen and crew.