Ireland has gone Batty - Lecturer in UCC in trouble over Fruitbat Sex Article

Bottle_of_Smoke

Pity there's no mens group to speak out on this. If a woman was being treated so ridiculously there'd be feminist groups condemning it left right and centre.

Best of luck to the man

CDfm

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

Pity there's no mens group to speak out on this. If a woman was being treated so ridiculously there'd be feminist groups condemning it left right and centre.

Best of luck to the man

It was a feminist lobbyist from the US who sent me the article for the thread and she had gotten it from a female academic in Canada and they were circulating it to their friends & others. Thats how I started the thread.

iptba

CDfm wrote: »

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote:

Pity there's no mens group to speak out on this. If a woman was being treated so ridiculously there'd be feminist groups condemning it left right and centre.

Best of luck to the man

It was a feminist lobbyist from the US who sent me the article for the thread and she had gotten it from a female academic in Canada and they were circulating it to their friends & others. Thats how I started the thread.

That doesn't disprove his point e.g. just because feminists are interested in stories with a gender angle doesn't mean men should expect they'll rush to help them.

Meirleach

It said it noted the court’s ruling regarding the sanctions imposed on Dr Evans and its disciplinary proceedings against him in respect of “breaches of confidentiality”, would now proceed.

So I'm guessing that they'll just reimpose whatever sanctions they've just been forced via court order to lift, just that they'll now be sanctions for "breaches of confidentiality"

CDfm

iptba wrote: »

That doesn't disprove his point e.g. just because feminists are interested in stories with a gender angle doesn't mean men should expect they'll rush to help them.

I try to avoid these debates nowdays - it is true of some feminists but others are egalitarian. -the US womens e-zine www.jezebel.com often run well referenced stories on it and then you have Mary T Cleary (& other feminists in Navan) who set up Amen.

iptba

CDfm wrote: »

I try to avoid these debates nowdays - it is true of some feminists but others are egalitarian.

Egalitarian in discussions is not the same as being egalitarian in action.

And jezebel.com ("Celebrity, Sex, Fashion for women") is not the same as an academic feminist or somebody in the equality sector.

Bottle_of_smoke's point:

Pity there's no mens group to speak out on this.

still stands in my view.

CDfm

iptba wrote: »

Egalitarian in discussions is not the same as being egalitarian in action.

And jezebel.com ("Celebrity, Sex, Fashion for women") is not the same as an academic feminist or somebody in the equality sector.

Bottle_of_smoke's point:
still stands in my view.

This is a side issue and is wildly off topic and I didnt start the thread for feminist bashing.

Jezebel.com is a fairly well respected publication and cutting edge. Look at its treatment of the Naomi Campbell beats up driver story and its editorial stance.

http://jezebel.com/5484655/naomi-campbell-miss-piggy-and-the-joke-of-the-violent-woman

Its review of a Saturday Night Live sketch

http://jezebel.com/5420821/snl-says-domestic-violence-is-hilarious---when-directed-at-men

So a US feminist and Canadian academic blogging or circulating the Lecturers story isn't action.

Anyway, I dont agree with you.Its stereotyping.

iptba

I think why a man could be left in the lurch like this, possibly with his career in tatters, is an interesting issue. It is very unlikely to have happened in reverse i.e. a woman would have been found guilty of sexual harrassment, etc. So the gender/equality is relevant in my opinion. No one is saying you have to agree of course.

And you still haven't pointed out Irish feminist/equality groups (or groups anywhere - an individual is different from a group in the influence they have) that stood up for him that would make Bottle of Smoke's point invalid:

Pity there's no mens group to speak out on this.

To have a big effect, advocacy groups would ideally need to be in the country.

Just because you may not be into the idea of the need for men's groups doesn't mean we all have to agree with you.

iptba

iptba wrote: »

That doesn't disprove his point e.g. just because feminists are interested in stories with a gender angle doesn't mean men should expect they'll rush to help them.

I don't know what's so radical about this. I've heard feminists say this themselves including on tGC i.e. men, don't expect us to sort out problems you have or something to that effect.

CDfm

Thats a totally different topic & maybe you should start a thread on it -lets see what happens to Dr Evans first and whether or not his union,colleagues etc supports him and what UCC actually does.

That will be a lot more interesting .

Bottle_of_Smoke

CDfm wrote: »

It was a feminist lobbyist from the US who sent me the article for the thread and she had gotten it from a female academic in Canada and they were circulating it to their friends & others. Thats how I started the thread.

Just to be clear that wasn't a backhanded remark about feminists or women. I'm just pointing out its a pity there isn't a male or neutral equivelent.

CDfm

My favorite headline

‘Fruit bat fellatio’ lecturer wins legal challenge to UCC sanctions

He could be forever know as the fruit bat fellatio guy

http://www.thejournal.ie/fruit-bat-fellatio-lecturer-wins-legal-challenge-to-ucc-sanctions-2010-12/

And the guy who now calls himself the PhDJ released a single to raise money for his case.

It will be interesting to see the outcome and where Dr Evans will go from there - the lady who made the complaint , has I believe, left the college.

One wonders is UCC & academia split into Evanards and Anti-Evanards like France was with the Dreyfuss case a century ago.

Will David Norris or any other famous Irish Academic emulate Emile Zola with "J'accuse"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%27accuse