Increasing English Influence

aDeener · 18-05-2010 1:00pm

skregs wrote: »

I don't understand why Irish people are so hostile towards England for being better.

you could have been a bit more subtle, as if anyone is going to take that bait

piby · 18-05-2010 1:02pm

As others have said if anything I think we have a much larger American influence in this country which manifests itself in particular through TV, film and music. Any cultural influence exerted but Britain is smaller although I would say in this case we display certain trends that are more akin to them than the US i.e. fashion, intellect, similar sense plainof humour etc. I also think this is to be expected. We live on an island of 4/5 million people, our nearest neighbour speaks the same language and has a similar culture to begin with. It's also bigger, both geographically and in population terms, has a larger economy and arguably a bigger political presence on the world stage. Add to this that many Irish people have lived and worked over there, and to a lesser extent vice versa, or have family/friends there and you have the explanation for why we have British newspapers etc. I don't think it's any sort of encroachment it simply reflects the relationship between the countries in the 21st Century.

gurramok · 18-05-2010 1:23pm

rovert wrote: »

You are asking me questions based on things you have taken out of the context of which I made or said them. If you didnt have a track record of doing this in this thread Id put it down to a geniune mistake and correct it. But considering it is you it aint worth me time. Ill just say Ive answered the question you are posing numerous times.

Dodging the answer to the question there.

Where exactly is your answer? Remind me.

18-05-2010 1:23pm

Op, can you please write your patriotic speech in irish next time so I can ignore you easier?

skregs · 18-05-2010 1:32pm

aDeener wrote: »

you could have been a bit more subtle, as if anyone is going to take that bait

In this thread? I'll put money on you being wrong.

rovert · 18-05-2010 1:47pm

gurramok wrote: »

Dodging the answer to the question there.

Where exactly is your answer? Remind me.

Not dodging, Ive already answered it numerous times. Please stop.

digme · 18-05-2010 1:49pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Op, can you please write your patriotic speech in irish next time so I can ignore you easier?

like totally ignore him? or just ignore him?

ejmaztec · 18-05-2010 1:58pm

skregs wrote: »

I don't understand why Irish people are so hostile towards England for being better.

After all, English people aren't hostile towards Irish people for being bitter.:P

gurramok · 18-05-2010 2:00pm

rovert wrote: »

Not dodging, Ive already answered it numerous times. Please stop.

You said this

rovert wrote:

all Im saying if you are that much "nationalistic" that you have that much problem of a people even seeing an England jersey then it is rather hypocrical and/or odd to support an England team.

from which I said

me wrote:

there is a difference between supporting Tesco FC and supporting England FC

And then you said in retort

rovert wrote:

Which has nothing to do with what Im arguing about. But given your seemingly goldfish memory Im not surprised youve already forgotten.

As I have a 'goldfish memory', you had said the football issue and the language issue had nothing to do with your contribution to the thread so the question remains, what is your contribution?

starbelgrade · 18-05-2010 2:08pm

How do you think the English FA (& the English Football Team) are funded? By supporting an English football team, you are also supporting the national team, if only in the financial sense.

gurramok · 18-05-2010 2:26pm

starbelgrade wrote: »

How do you think the English FA (& the English Football Team) are funded? By supporting an English football team, you are also supporting the national team, if only in the financial sense.

Not a patch on sponsorship. Also alot of clubs are foreign owned and alot of revenue is from foreign sources which pays the wages of foreign and English players.

Its a multinational league in the financial sense. Just ask L'Arsenal

Supporting or playing for Man. U is not equal to supporting or playing for the English national team. Thats what the poster rovert did not understand.

Dudess · 18-05-2010 2:30pm

gurramok wrote: »

Not a patch on sponsorship. Also alot of clubs are foreign owned and alot of revenue is from foreign sources which pays the wages of foreign and English players.

Its a multinational league in the financial sense. Just ask L'Arsenal

Supporting or playing for Man. U is not equal to supporting or playing for the English national team. Thats what the poster rovert did not understand.

Even if it isn't the same thing, it's still hypocritical to be a Manchester United supporter and so full of loathing for the England team, not to mention being a fan/consumer of so much other British products. I certainly support England in a tournament when Ireland aren't in it - look at how much of an Irish population there is over there...

KevinVonSpiel · 18-05-2010 2:30pm

I get the feeling that this thread is going to 'kick off' any second now...

ejmaztec · 18-05-2010 2:36pm

KevinVonSpiel wrote: »

I get the feeling that this thread is going to 'kick off' any second now...

It will probably be locked when it reaches 800 posts.

fontanalis · 18-05-2010 2:41pm

toiletduck wrote: »

There'll be far more Irish shouting against England in the World Cup than against France.

Fear not OP.

And loads of peopel shput against Man Utd, Liverpool and Chelsea.

fontanalis · 18-05-2010 2:43pm

the_syco wrote: »

Sin't the "Mc" not scottish? Pretty sure an Irish version would be O'Griffin?

Mc is Gaelic, both Irish and Scottish as the irish (called the Scotti by the Romans) brought Gaelic to Scotland. Mc means son off O' means decendant off.

fontanalis · 18-05-2010 2:44pm

akkadian wrote: »

I'm highly disturbed by the increased Brit influence in Ireland. There are many English people in Ireland that are being assimilated into our culture and they're fine with me but

I never asked for the Sun, The Mirror and all the other crappy tabloid papers here. They're un-Irish. And most importantly, they're doing exactly what I'd expect Brit things to do: They're putting Ireland down.

All I see is Curry's with an add rewarding people with cash when France get knocked out of the world cup. Robbie Keane even admitted that he'd do the same thing - strikers instinct. France is a republic like ours (at least it was like we were). They've only ever been a a friend to Ireland and even sent ships over to help fight the English once upon a time.

I just saw the latest Sun add. It featured Kevin Moran and Niall Quinn talking about France not being good enough to be in the world cup. You sheeple that think this isn't propaganda had better wake up. This is the same Sun that backed the Torries. They'rr meddlers.

There is not a significant right-wing English influence in this country that is very dangerous. I'm not saying the Herald (which I read is perfect) but it's better than the imported tabloid crap.

And NO. It's not "born here, bred here, read here". You people who buy into this need to wake up. We are not the UK. I'm sure the Sun and the Mirror and D4 would like us to be but we're not, and you're going to have to trample on my dead body to change that? Comprende?

p.s We are not Europe either. We need to clean all these charlatans out of here. Give up your over-indulgent, piggy greed and accept a poorer lifestyle for a while.

I know many of you are happy to piss all over Daniel O'Connel's grave, and Michael Collins, and Cosgrave's etc. but I'm afraid I'm going to have to try and stop u.

As gaelige le do thoil.

ricman · 18-05-2010 3:02pm

I, D say kids are probably more influenced by american tv, film, music videos, and the internet ,depending on what tv stations you have .IF you have only rte,tv3, bbc, utv,c4 then obviously you ,ll watch more uk tv.
RTE just do not have the money to make a large amount of tv drama or comedy programs.WE are all members of the eu now so i see no reason for being critical of the uk.No one is forced to watch uk tv or buy english papers.

Jazzy · 18-05-2010 3:11pm

proof, if it were needed, that this site and particularly this section of boards attracts your everyday kind of idiot. ya know, the ones where you go "hey, people are stupid", well here they are. you can point at them and they even give themselves names and labels

mailforkev · 18-05-2010 3:23pm

Can't you just not buy any of the rag papers and not watch British TV?

Long term, we're probably better off that the Brits were here for a while OP, they did leave us a little bit of civilisation.

Sure when we're left to our own devices we get to 2010 yet still have stuff like Daithi O'Se hosting the Rose of Tralee taking up two nights of our national TV station. I'll stick to the Beeb thanks.

gustavo · 18-05-2010 3:53pm

gurramok wrote: »

Not a patch on sponsorship. Also alot of clubs are foreign owned and alot of revenue is from foreign sources which pays the wages of foreign and English players.

Its a multinational league in the financial sense. Just ask L'Arsenal

Supporting or playing for Man. U is not equal to supporting or playing for the English national team. Thats what the poster rovert did not understand.

All over the world football is a tribal game ,Most teams are supported by people from that area so to compare it to Tesco is ludicrous

Dionysus · 18-05-2010 4:06pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I'd much rather see theirs and Europe's influences in this country than the USA's; at least Europeans have morals.
Stop being a hate-mongering idiot

Ahem. Irony much?

El Siglo · 18-05-2010 4:09pm

I can blow smoke rings.:D

You see, I too can write pointless shite.

rovert · 18-05-2010 4:12pm

gurramok wrote: »

You said this

from which I said

And then you said in retort

As I have a 'goldfish memory', you had said the football issue and the language issue had nothing to do with your contribution to the thread so the question remains, what is your contribution?

Well done at attributing viewpoints to me which Ive never actually made. Keep quoting me out of context too.

Poor attempt here, no wonder segaboy thanked you.

gustavo wrote: »

All over the world football is a tribal game ,Most teams are supported by people from that area so to compare it to Tesco is ludicrous

Dont try reasoning with him.

Dionysus · 18-05-2010 4:26pm

rovert wrote: »

Thank **** we do without it we would have been ****ed economically without it.

And if the Irish couldn't survive (in your world, anyway) economically without abandoning their language for English, how do you explain all the other countries of the world which have thriving economies without abandoning their native languages for English?

Believe it or not, the vast majority of advanced economies are occupied by people who have not abandoned their own language for English. You don't need to be a brain surgeon to figure this out.

PS: And aren't the English-speaking Paddies doing so great with their economy nowadays anyway. No stopping Paddy now.... If only he could lecture those economically backward Finns, to take one of numerous examples, about the economic joys of abandoning their native language for English. Then the Finnish economy would be right up there with the Brits, Yanks and Irish, these "superior" anglophone economies. What a lofty aspiration indeed.

aDeener · 18-05-2010 4:28pm

Dudess wrote: »

Even if it isn't the same thing, it's still hypocritical to be a Manchester United supporter and so full of loathing for the England team, not to mention being a fan/consumer of so much other British products. I certainly support England in a tournament when Ireland aren't in it - look at how much of an Irish population there is over there...

completely agree that it is hypocritical, but that seems to be the norm from the "we and us" brigade that is the irish big 4 premiership supporter. jizzing over stevie g when he is in a pool shirt, and then cursing him out of it when he dons the white of england. retarded.

dont like that, not because its england, i would say the same no matter what country you said. reeks of coat tail clinging tbh. if we are not in it, i dont care who wins, unless of course i have money on it!

when you state the irish population in england as your reason for supporting them, why is it england in particular? why not the US, australia etc?
just curious

rovert · 18-05-2010 4:35pm

Dionysus wrote: »

And if the Irish couldn't survive (in your world, anyway) economically without abandoning their language for English, how do you explain all the other countries of the world which have thriving economies without abandoning their native languages for English?

Believe it or not, the vast majority of advanced economies are occupied by people who have not abandoned their own language for English. You don't need to be a brain surgeon to figure this out.

PS: And aren't the English-speaking Paddies doing so great with their economy nowadays anyway. No stopping Paddy now.... If only he could lecture those economically backward Finns, to take one of numerous examples, about the economic joys of abandoning their native language for English. Then the Finnish economy would be right up there with the Brits, Yanks and Irish, these "superior" anglophone economies. What a lofty aspiration indeed.

Answered this question in this thread already.

Cavehill Red · 18-05-2010 4:36pm

akkadian wrote: »

I never asked for the Sun, The Mirror and all the other crappy tabloid papers here.

They need your permission to publish?

akkadian wrote: »

They're un-Irish.

Irish newsrooms + Irish staff = Irish newspapers.

akkadian wrote: »

I'm not saying the Herald (which I read is perfect) but it's better than the imported tabloid crap.

Evening Herald - owned from the Cayman Islands by a British Sir. Not seeing the difference here (other than it is most definitely a poorer paper than the national redtops, being a regional paper.)

akkadian wrote: »

p.s We are not Europe either.

What continent do you think we're in then?

Big Knox · 18-05-2010 5:02pm

The ironic thing is he probably watched Michael Collins or Braveheart on ****ing sky movies last night and thought up this thread...

philologos · 18-05-2010 5:05pm

I must say that I do like The Guardian (even if I have to forgive its lefty bias), and The Times even if that does make me a West Brit. I don't see what the problem with "English influence" is. We're an English speaking nation, Britain is our closest neighbour, naturally we're going to be prone to such influence.

And, we're not Europe? - Need I remind you that without the EU we wouldn't be anywhere near where we are today?

Mister men · 18-05-2010 5:11pm

stovelid wrote: »

I give up. I really do.

You must'nt understand anything about football so.

Mister men · 18-05-2010 5:18pm

skregs wrote: »

I don't understand why Irish people are so hostile towards England for being better.

Could be something to do with years of been ruled by them do you think?

digme · 18-05-2010 5:20pm

Mister men wrote: »

Could be something to do with years of been ruled by them do you think?

you had to take the bait ya .................

Sonnenblumen · 18-05-2010 6:10pm

akkadian wrote: »

Well you can tell your friend les batersby (btw ur a brit vonspiel - at least in your black heart) to to go and sing vindaloo with her other soccer hooligan ladettes. Unfortunately most brits surely can't learn a language without leaving out words: "I'm goin shop get burger"

Anyway piss off West Brit. Kiss ur soccer hooligan friends ass. Noone sees the Brits like people outside Britain I'm sure - not that I've ever been in the craphole.

You really wouldn't be worth the effort.

piss off.

Nope, that's the ready-made masturbation side of Ireland - the West Brit side...

actually this country is more influenced now by britain than any time during the occupation

You do ...

Good idea kieran26. As I said, I have no problem with Brits (especially Scots who are less prone to excessive masturbation) in Ireland as long as they remember what dieing culture they are a part of..

You forgot to mention how the Irish regularly copy British culture, media and political developments often on the cheap and cheerful, but frequently inferior.

Thankfully most Posters have a better grasp of where Ireland is at?