Man City Make £20m Offer For Milner

Bodhisopha

Osu wrote: »

Minus Lescott, Bojinov, Richards etc.

Not for the first time, i don't understand your logic.

City didn't ruin those players. If you're good enough, you'll make it.


Or you could stay at Villa...

Helix

super_furry wrote: »

£20million for an average plodder like James Milner? The world's gone nuts.

wow

thats kinda embarrassing

suppose mcgrath was just a kicker too?

super_furry

You're seriously comparing Milner to McGrath? Wow.

Neil3030

super_furry wrote: »

£20million for an average plodder like James Milner? The world's gone nuts.

Flame.

Helix wrote: »

wow

thats kinda embarrassing

suppose mcgrath was just a kicker too?

Moth.

flahavaj

EI111 wrote: »

Adam Johnson flipside

So far. Could face competition from Milner and the other handful of midfielders City sign in the Summer as well.

I see your Johnsen and raise you SWP.:pac:

Helix

super_furry wrote: »

You're seriously comparing Milner to McGrath? Wow.

erm

no

what gave you the impression i was comparing them?

Le King

Bodhisopha wrote: »

Not for the first time, i don't understand your logic.

City didn't ruin those players. If you're good enough, you'll make it.


Or you could stay at Villa...

Yeah, your right.

Why do they even have those stupid youth academies or training development programmes anyway?

You must be laughing your head off at the likes of Barcelona. Bloody idiots.

Coaching isn't a factor at all. If they are good enough, they will make it.

Your right, my logic fails.

EI111

flahavaj wrote: »

So far. Could face competition from Milner and the other handful of midfielders City sign in the Summer as well.

I see your Johnsen and raise you SWP.:pac:

SWP is 28- hard to believe i know
Whoever mentioned Lescott, he's 27 and once players get a big head like him and adebayor they usually get worse
De Jong is still reasonably young and he has had a good season

Tech3

Milner is not worth €20 million. Nuff said.

Bodhisopha

Osu wrote: »

Yeah, your right.

Why do they even have those stupid youth academies or training development programmes anyway?

You must be laughing your head off at the likes of Barcelona. Bloody idiots.

Coaching isn't a factor at all. If they are good enough, they will make it.

Your right, my logic fails.

Lol, wow!

What the hell are you talking about?

Nobody is talking about coaching. Most of us knew Lescott and Richards weren't quite the players they were touted to be. Don't believe the hype.

I don't get your youth academy point though, that's a bit off the wall. It was the City youth academy that brought Richards through.

Thanks for the chuckles!

JPA

tech2 wrote: »

Milner is not worth €20 million. Nuff said.

Of course he is unless you haven't watched him in 2 years.
Or this could be a no player is worth that much kinda post.

rossie1977

Bodhisopha wrote: »

City will be challenging for the league within the next 5 years at most.

you might end up being very disappointed there mystic meg

Le King

Bodhisopha wrote: »

Lol, wow!

What the hell are you talking about?

Nobody is talking about coaching. Most of us knew Lescott and Richards weren't quite the players they were touted to be. Don't believe the hype.

I don't get your youth academy point though, that's a bit off the wall. It was the City youth academy that brought Richards through.

Thanks for the chuckles!

You said if they were good enough they would make it.

Pretty idiotic point and completely not true.

Point in bold really boggles me as to whether you suffer from a mild bout of schizophrenia because you just said if they are good enough they will make it.

Really, some people are just plain silly.

Esse85

tech2 wrote: »

Milner is not worth €20 million. Nuff said.

Spot on.

He is worth £20m plus S.Ireland though.

JPA

Aston Villa wrote:

"We have received an offer from Manchester City for James Milner and this has been firmly rejected," said a Villa spokesman late on Wednesday.
"We plan to sit down with James and his representative after the World Cup to agree a new long-term deal and this remains our position."

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CSF

Really have to worry about the sanity of the kind of people who think Milner isn't worth 20 million. Value in football is all relative to other recent transfers, what the buyer can afford, and what the seller can obtain. City payed 32.5 million for Robinho, 25 on Adebayor, a reported (but denied) 47 million on Tevez, 24 million on Joleon Lescott. Yet Milner isn't worth 20? Perhaps Milner wasn't worth 20 million before Man City and Real Madrid inflated the market, but he is worth way over that now.

Bodhisopha

Osu wrote: »

You said if they were good enough they would make it.

Pretty idiotic point and completely not true.

Point in bold really boggles me as to whether you suffer from a mild bout of schizophrenia because you just said if they are good enough they will make it.

Really, some people are just plain silly.

It's a pretty simple point and i'm sure most people understood it but i will put it in the simplest terms i possibly can so that you might grasp it.

If you are good enough you will make it. That is not to suggest that a player doesn't need to train and youth academies are pointless, which seems to be the argument you are wrongly attributing to me.

Football is about levels. This is pretty simple. While Richards has made it, he has not made it at the highest level. As City splash the cash and improve and move up through the levels from a mid table team to one challenging for the title, some players won't be good enough to make that transition with their club and might have to move back to a level better suited to them.

To wrap it up, when i say if you are good enough you will make it, i am talking about making it at the different levels of the game. Nobody would argue that Richards hasn't in some respect made it, but has he made it at the top level? Will he ever? I doubt it.


Hope this helps!

CSF

Bodhisopha wrote: »

It's a pretty simple point and i'm sure most people understood it but i will put it in the simplest terms i possibly can so that you might grasp it.

If you are good enough you will make it. That is not to suggest that a player doesn't need to train and youth academies are pointless, which seems to be the argument you are wrongly attributing to me.

Football is about levels. This is pretty simple. While Richards has made it, he has not made it at the highest level. As City splash the cash and improve and move up through the levels from a mid table team to one challenging for the title, some players won't be good enough to make that transition with their club and might have to move back to a level better suited to them.

To wrap it up, when i say if you are good enough you will make it, i am talking about making it at the different levels of the game. Nobody would argue that Richards hasn't in some respect made it, but has he made it at the top level? Will he ever? I doubt it.


Hope this helps!

That has got to be the least simple point I've ever seen made on this forum you mad yoke.

Le King

Bodhisopha wrote: »

It's a pretty simple point and i'm sure most people understood it but i will put it in the simplest terms i possibly can so that you might grasp it.

If you are good enough you will make it. That is not to suggest that a player doesn't need to train and youth academies are pointless, which seems to be the argument you are wrongly attributing to me.

Football is about levels. This is pretty simple. While Richards has made it, he has not made it at the highest level. As City splash the cash and improve and move up through the levels from a mid table team to one challenging for the title, some players won't be good enough to make that transition with their club and might have to move back to a level better suited to them.

To wrap it up, when i say if you are good enough you will make it, i am talking about making it at the different levels of the game. Nobody would argue that Richards hasn't in some respect made it, but has he made it at the top level? Will he ever? I doubt it.


Hope this helps!

Thanks for the laugh buddy.

flahavaj

CSF wrote: »

That has got to be the least simple point I've ever seen made on this forum you mad yoke.

The rather patronising bolded bits really aided it in its clarity however.

Bodhisopha

CSF wrote: »

That has got to be the least simple point I've ever seen made on this forum you mad yoke.

It's never easy to explain a simple point. The simple point is the point in it's simplest form. So basically the explanation of the simple point is never, nay, can never be as simple as the point itself. But one would expect others to grasp the initial point rendering the explanation unecessary.

CSF

flahavaj wrote: »

The rather patronising bolded bits really aided it in its clarity however.

To be honest if he backtracked any further on his original points, he'd have fallen out his window.

CSF

Bodhisopha wrote: »

It's never easy to explain a simple point. The simple point is the point in it's simplest form. So basically the explanation of the simple point is never, nay, can never be as simple as the point itself. But one would expect others to grasp the initial point rendering the explanation unecessary.

Keep backtracking, if you travel far enough, you'll eventually be out of everyone's sight.

flahavaj

CSF wrote: »

To be honest if he backtracked any further on his original points, he'd have fallen out his window.

Maybe thats why he put them in bold, its easier to read from afar.:pac:

Bodhisopha

flahavaj wrote: »

The rather patronising bolded bits really aided it in its clarity however.

Thank you, that's why i used them.

Bodhisopha

My initial point was - if you are good enough you will make it. I said this in relation to James Milner at City and others saying he shouldn't move.

Osu picked up on this with some weird spiel about the pointlessness of youth academies.

I had to break it down for him.

Fell free to point out how exactly that equates to backtracking.

CSF

Bodhisopha wrote: »

My initial point was - if you are good enough you will make it. I said this in relation to James Milner at City and others saying he shouldn't move.

Osu picked up on this with some weird spiel about the pointlessness of youth academies.

I had to break it down for him.

Fell free to point out how exactly that equates to backtracking.

Your point changed from talking about Milner and saying 'if you're good enough you'll make it', until challenged when the point suddenly became, 'if you're good enough you'll make it, yeah well eh maybe not at the top level, but eh at some level, and eh yeah isn't being a professional footballer at all considered making it, eh yeah that'll do nicely'.

Le King

Bodhisopha wrote: »

My initial point was - if you are good enough you will make it. I said this in relation to James Milner at City and others saying he shouldn't move.

Osu picked up on this with some weird spiel about the pointlessness of youth academies.

I had to break it down for him.

Fell free to point out how exactly that equates to backtracking.

Please stop. It's there for everybody to see. You backtracked entirely.

But sure listen, if you feel it's necessary to act like a child go ahead. Otherwise I'd advise you to stop while your ahead. It's getting silly now. If you can't see you completely went against your original point then you shouldn't try be patronising.

Let's leave it at that then, yeah?

Agree to disagree.

parker kent

MuPpItJoCkEy wrote: »

Wouldn't be surprised if Stephen Ireland was used as an exchange in a deal.

Could be two years in a row that Villa benefit hugely from one of City's insanely over-priced purchases. The Milner-love fest going on these days does not mean he is worth 20+ million. He has improved lately, but not that much. If he is worth that, what is Arteta worth? Or Modric? I'd actually prefer Ireland over Milner. I don't mean to always give out about Milner, but I think this and the Lescott transfer last year highlight the insane prices that English players are going for these days.

Savman

Man City can ask me bollix. Milner is a star performer for Villa thanks largely to the manager who signed him for £12m.

It's a good old fashioned combination of a good manager and a good player not motivated solely by whims of commercialism. I truly believe James Milner is the rare exception in a modern footballer who's not a total parasite or money grabbing whore.

There are some things in football money can't buy, for everything else there's the Blue Mastercard. :rolleyes:

Bodhisopha wrote: »

United? The balance of power is shifting in Manchester.

Lolz. I think it's past your bedtime.

As a club on and off the field, Man United wipe the floor with City and will do for a long time to come. One season of sacking managers and halfwit monopoly money bids for Brazilians is somehow enough to convince you there's a powershift from a team who've won everything in sight for over a decade to a rival team who've won zilch but bankrolled a Europa league adventure.

Indeed.

Bodhisopha

CSF wrote: »

Your point changed from talking about Milner and saying 'if you're good enough you'll make it', until challenged when the point suddenly became, 'if you're good enough you'll make it, yeah well eh maybe not at the top level, but eh at some level, and eh yeah isn't being a professional footballer at all considered making it, eh yeah that'll do nicely'.

My point didn't change at all. I just expanded on it because i was challenged on it.

If you are good enough you will make it. Milner has proved he is good enough for the level Villa are at. Time to step it up and see is he good enough to make it at the level City aspire to be at (challenging for league titles).

Should be interesting.

JPA

parker kent wrote: »

Could be two years in a row that Villa benefit hugely from one of City's insanely over-priced purchases. The Milner-love fest going on these days does not mean he is worth 20+ million. He has improved lately, but not that much. If he is worth that, what is Arteta worth? Or Modric? I'd actually prefer Ireland over Milner. I don't mean to always give out about Milner, but I think this and the Lescott transfer last year highlight the insane prices that English players are going for these days.

His appeal apart from being English, is that he has a higher energy level and physicality for the PL than those 3, that is combined with his touch, awareness, passing, crossing and shooting ability.

But I do not think he will leave and anyone can quote me on that.

Bodhisopha

Savman wrote: »

Man City can ask me bollix. Milner is a star performer for Villa thanks largely to the manager who signed him for £12m.

It's a good old fashioned combination of a good manager and a good player not motivated solely by whims of commercialism. I truly believe James Milner is the rare exception in a modern footballer who's not a total parasite or money grabbing whore.

There are some things in football money can't buy, for everything else there's the Blue Mastercard. :rolleyes:


Lolz. I think it's past your bedtime.

As a club on and off the field, Man United wipe the floor with City and will do for a long time to come. One season of sacking managers and halfwit monopoly money bids for Brazilians is somehow enough to convince you there's a powershift from a team who've won everything in sight for over a decade to a rival team who've won zilch but bankrolled a Europa league adventure.

Indeed.

Man United already can't compete with Citys financial clout. As soon as City qualify for the CL the power shift is going to kick into turbo drive.

They will do what Chelsea did all those years ago, sign United targets by offering them higher wages. You're going to live in Manchester, may as well get paid more for your troubles.

Simples.

Savman

parker kent wrote: »

Could be two years in a row that Villa benefit hugely from one of City's insanely over-priced purchases. The Milner-love fest going on these days does not mean he is worth 20+ million. He has improved lately, but not that much. If he is worth that, what is Arteta worth? Or Modric? I'd actually prefer Ireland over Milner. I don't mean to always give out about Milner, but I think this and the Lescott transfer last year highlight the insane prices that English players are going for these days.

Milner's not worth £20m, obviously, but that's not the point and that's not what a bid covers. Bottom line is he's worth more than £20m to Aston Villa. Two very different beasts.

CSF

Bodhisopha wrote: »

My point didn't change at all. I just expanded on it because i was challenged on it.

If you are good enough you will make it. Milner has proved he is good enough for the level Villa are at. Time to step it up and see is he good enough to make it at the level City aspire to be at (challenging for league titles).

Should be interesting.

You expanded on it to the stage where it stopped actually being a point, where it turned into the equivalent to 1 of those things old men say like 'well thats the name of the game' to make an attempt at being wise. Of course people know that you have to be good enough to make it. That could not be stating the obvious more ffs. Everyone (including yourself) was originally working off the assumption that you were giving us some clever insight, but then unfortunately everyone (including yourself) were greeted with the realisation that you weren't actually making a point at all. Saying 'you have to be good enough to make it at any level' is not making a point, its completely f*cking obvious. Thats why me and you aren't pro footballers mate. Come off it.

Savman

Bodhisopha wrote: »

Man United already can't compete with Citys financial clout. As soon as City qualify for the CL the power shift is going to kick into turbo drive.

They will do what Chelsea did all those years ago, sign United targets by offering them higher wages. You're going to live in Manchester, may as well get paid more for your troubles.

Simples.

Er, no, it's not "simples". Winning leagues and cups is not simple. Stop embarrassing yourself for jaysis sake. City have done nothing, nothing.

When you have, you can wax lyrical about this power shift, but until then it's an expensive pipe dream you've bought into.

CSF

Bodhisopha wrote: »

Man United already can't compete with Citys financial clout. As soon as City qualify for the CL the power shift is going to kick into turbo drive.

They will do what Chelsea did all those years ago, sign United targets by offering them higher wages. You're going to live in Manchester, may as well get paid more for your troubles.

Simples.

Yet United have still won 3 of the 6 Premierships, plus a Champions League and a Champions League final since Abramovich came in.

flahavaj

Bodhisopha wrote: »

Man United already can't compete with Citys financial clout. As soon as City qualify for the CL the power shift is going to kick into turbo drive.

They will do what Chelsea did all those years ago, sign United targets by offering them higher wages. You're going to live in Manchester, may as well get paid more for your troubles.

Simples.

Either that or omit to tell them theres a second club in Manchester who aren't called United a la Robinho.:rolleyes:

everdead.ie

Milner is worth between what City are willing to pay and what villa would be willing to take for him which is definetly going to be an obscene amount of money 25-30 m I'd guess

Bodhisopha

Savman wrote: »

Er, no, it's not "simples". Winning leagues and cups is not simple. Stop embarrassing yourself for jaysis sake. City have done nothing, nothing.

When you have, you can wax lyrical about this power shift, but until then it's an expensive pipe dream you've bought into.

What had Chelsea done by the time Mourinho joined them, other than being bought by a sugar daddy? Nothing, nothing. Look at them now.

Expect the same to happen with City.


Their current financial situations reflect a power shift of sorts. I expect to see the power shift continue on the pitch too.

Sorry if this offends anybody.

Neil3030

I completely neglected to consider that even if Gaz Baz does have a word in Jimmy's ear about the perks of coming to play for city, surely Dick Dunne can have a word in the other one about how ruthless and short sighted the club can be with their players.

I also dug up this quote from the Mail via another article which was apparently made a few weeks back:

James Milner wrote:

“I think we’ve shown we’re moving in the right direction.”

“We’ve improved on our points total from last year and, with a bit of luck with decisions at Wembley, it might have been a different story.”

“We are moving forward as a club and as a set of players so the more you get into those positions and get into finals and semi-finals the experience we’ve gained from this season is invaluable.

“Hopefully next season we’ll get there again and use that experience to get the result you need.”

And the club have also come out and confirmed they rejected the bid and want to sign Jimmy to a long term contract after the WC.

Pretty sure he's going nowhere tbh.

Bodhisopha

CSF wrote: »

Yet United have still won 3 of the 6 Premierships, plus a Champions League and a Champions League final since Abramovich came in.

This is true, and well done to United. Good thing they got Ronaldo when they could afford him. Let's not kid ourselves, United are a club in decline, for now.

Bodhisopha

For the record, i don't think Milner would be a great move for City. I just think if he's ambitious and they want him, he should move.

flahavaj

Bodhisopha wrote: »

What had Chelsea done by the time Mourinho joined them, other than being bought by a sugar daddy? Nothing, nothing. Look at them now.

They were regularly chalenging for and competing in the CL for a start. they already had attracted several top class players to the club.

You have been so sh*t tonight I feel sorry for you.

Bodhisopha

flahavaj wrote: »

They were regularly chalenging for and competing in the CL for a start. they already had attracted several top class players to the club.

You have been so sh*t tonight I feel sorry for you.

Don't feel sorry for me, help me.

Tell me why you believe City can't challenge for the Premiership within the next 5 years. If you believe they can then remind me exactly what point of mine you contest.

Let's iron this one out.

Xavi6

Are those bastards still trying to ruin football?

Disgraceful carry on.

Neil3030

Xavi6 wrote: »

Are those bastards still trying to ruin football?

Yes.

Dave!

Savman wrote: »

Man City can ask me bollix. Milner is a star performer for Villa thanks largely to the manager who signed him for £12m.

It's a good old fashioned combination of a good manager and a good player not motivated solely by whims of commercialism. I truly believe James Milner is the rare exception in a modern footballer who's not a total parasite or money grabbing whore.

There are some things in football money can't buy, for everything else there's the Blue Mastercard. :rolleyes:


Lolz. I think it's past your bedtime.

As a club on and off the field, Man United wipe the floor with City and will do for a long time to come. One season of sacking managers and halfwit monopoly money bids for Brazilians is somehow enough to convince you there's a powershift from a team who've won everything in sight for over a decade to a rival team who've won zilch but bankrolled a Europa league adventure.

Indeed.

I like you. Let's be friends.

eagle eye

Savman wrote: »

Milner's not worth £20m, obviously, but that's not the point and that's not what a bid covers. Bottom line is he's worth more than £20m to Aston Villa. Two very different beasts.

I'd have to disagree, he is worth far more than £20m in today's market.

Guy is one of the few that have that 'want it more' attitude and the football skills to go along with it. Add to that his incredible engine and the fact that he is not one that suffers from knocks/niggles very often and his price is well over 20m and the fact that he looks certain to be an England International starter for many years adds another huge chunk to his value.

Bounty Hunter

Had a conversation about this at work with a City Fan about a week or so back, it went something like this.

Man City fan: What do you think of James Milner
Villa fan (me): he's Awesome

MCF: Do you think City might try and sign him?
ME: you might try but you will fail.

MCF: Fail!? Man City dont fail for players like Milner, we have the money afterall.
ME; yeah but Villa dont sell if they dont want to and this isnt just a normal footballer, this is James Milner.

MCF: what does that mean?
ME: well its very rare yoou see a player these days who I genuinley believe just loves football, is humble and appreciative of what he gets to do for a well paid living and wants to be the best he can be. the lad works his bollocks off, trains harder than anyone and seems to be the complete polar opposite of the type that moves for money.

MCF: ha, so you like the guy i see, how much do you think he would cost?
Me: a lot more than 20m.

MCF: seriously?!?
ME: yeah, i mean he cost Villa 12m and has since improved massivley, become an england squad regular, moved to CM and won the young player of the year award. He is hugely versatile and has the personality that any dressing room would benefit from having.

MCF: no need to worry man, I think we will get someone unexpected like Torres
Me: yeah, sure you will mate

MCF: do you have that private class again today?
ME: nah those retarded, biatches are only 1 day a week now.


MCF: ahh nice. Who do you think Spurs will sign?...