Build up to the 2010 European Championships, Barcelona (Steve Colvert qualifies)

Rineanna

IrishTrackFan1 wrote: »

Half second isn't so significant in womens 400h.

Pah! Yes it is. Could be the difference between 2 or three places in any given race, easily.

[QUOTE-IrishTrackFan1]Bigger question is how you weigh up the potentially once off benefit of this acquisition against the long term development of the event.[/QUOTE]

What are you on about? Do you know for certain she was courted by AAI and not the other way around?

drrunner

What are you on about? Do you know for certain she was courted by AAI and not the other way around?[/QUOTE]

Question is reasonable regardless of who approached who IMO!

ecoli

drrunner wrote: »

Question is reasonable regardless of who approached who IMO!

I think that given there is not too much between the athlete it gives the event some depth which ultimately can benefit the event in terms of long term development

letsbefriends

i think people need to accept that members of the irish diaspora are entitled to further their athletics careers through using their connections to our small nation...they get to run in major champs (kinney has the euro standard) that they would not be able to run at otherwise (she wudnt make a gb team) and the irish team get a new member who adds depth and talent to a squad (and nation) that needs it...i didn't hear a single person complain when zoe brown (who is of a unionist background and competed at a high level for team GB-so hardly of an 'irish' national identity) switched from britain to ireland in order to further her career after her GB career had stalled...we benefitted, she benefitted...i say bring all the ringers in we can and improve our team and sport for the better

thirtyfoot

letsbefriends wrote: »

i think people need to accept that members of the irish diaspora are entitled to further their athletics careers through using their connections to our small nation...they get to run in major champs (kinney has the euro standard) that they would not be able to run at otherwise (she wudnt make a gb team) and the irish team get a new member who adds depth and talent to a squad (and nation) that needs it...i didn't hear a single person complain when zoe brown (who is of a unionist background and competed at a high level for team GB-so hardly of an 'irish' national identity) switched from britain to ireland in order to further her career after her GB career had stalled...we benefitted, she benefitted...i say bring all the ringers in we can and improve our team and sport for the better

Well said and I'd say a majority of athletes and including those most affected would agree with this.

As for this harming development of the event, I think that is not the case and there are a lot more things in the sport harming it's or any other event's development. On the scale of this harming or benefitting the event, Justine being Irish will benefit the event.

thirtyfoot

On the ETC, if Cullen and Cuddihy were running I would have said we would not get relegated but its going to be tough without them. We'll need our big guns like Hession, Gillick and O' Rourke to deliver. I think Smyth could also get a 12 pointer and if he did that would be great. Also Chamney is needed to get max points. If the likes of Galligan and Proper punch just above their weight that will also help and then, and its the beauty of this competition, if all athletes whether ranked 1 to 12 each either perform to their ranking or just above it then we will survive. Relays could be good for us too. Lithuania look in trouble and Slovenia, Turkey, Estonia should be the ones we are trying to target to stay ahead of.

myflipflops

Tingle wrote: »

As for this harming development of the event, I think that is not the case and there are a lot more things in the sport harming it's or any other event's development. On the scale of this harming or benefitting the event, Justine being Irish will benefit the event.

+1

How is having another competitor at the top end of the scale within Ireland bad for development?

Like saying Gillick's presence is bad for Gregans development.

trackfan

One athlete that should be on the team is Amy foster. Running 11.32 in the NI seniors last week and got no recognition for it and although the wind reading was 4.2, from being there myself there was minimal wind so i hope she runs well this coming weekend in the AAA's and proves she is irelands best sprinter at the moment....should have gotten the 200m place inplace of cuddihy in my opinion.

fiddy3

trackfan wrote: »

One athlete that should be on the team is Amy foster. Running 11.32 in the NI seniors last week and got no recognition for it and although the wind reading was 4.2, from being there myself there was minimal wind so i hope she runs well this coming weekend in the AAA's and proves she is irelands best sprinter at the moment....should have gotten the 200m place inplace of cuddihy in my opinion.

4.2 is not minimal wind buddy :rolleyes::rolleyes::p:p, regardless of what you felt, that's worth a couple tenths at least.

TrackFan123

Rineanna wrote: »

Article on Jason Smyth on Barcelona 2010 website says that Smith can only run first leg.

http://www.bcn2010.org/paginasFront/Noticies/Detall_Noticies_/_IZ5g6X2evdHwX6F-C9T035PS1dltcWKsiBohLdEhA5VKrzbXmdOIh56ZnR8Cdw7NiiwRrdvinxQ_sHDDsgCXxwVsE_eDQEUD

Hmm surely he would be better last leg, put a marker down and instead of Smyth looking for the third leg runner to hit it, the 3rd leg runner sees it - shouts a code word for Jason to run so communication is good, such as "SMYTH!!!" Jason goes off doesnt have to look and puts his hand out when 3rd leg shouts "HAND". Surely on first leg he actually has to look for Hessions hand??? I think its a waste putting him on 1st leg as his top speed is so good

Jam400

TrackFan123 wrote: »

Hmm surely he would be better last leg, put a marker down and instead of Smyth looking for the third leg runner to hit it, the 3rd leg runner sees it - shouts a code word for Jason to run so communication is good, such as "SMYTH!!!" Jason goes off doesnt have to look and puts his hand out when 3rd leg shouts "HAND". Surely on first leg he actually has to look for Hessions hand??? I think its a waste putting him on 1st leg as his top speed is so good

Generally how its done

I think the problem is he wouldnt be able to see someone coming into him what with being crouched down and looking underneath his arm, whereas a least he will have some sort of control and better vision over what happens on the first change.

helpisontheway

Ive stopped myself numerous times from posting on the inclusion of UK/non irish resident athletes declaring for Ireland but its getting a bit ridiculous now.It is quiet obvious that some athletes are only declaring for Ireland because they cant get on the UK team and their only chance of competing internationally is with Ireland.
Also the procedure itself by the looks of things is totally ridiculous.Are AAI approaching these athletes or are these athletes approaching AAI? What irish clubs are these athletes registering with and is that in part a reason? Should these athletes not have to actually compete in Ireland at least once in their lifetimes before they have earned the right to wear an irish singlet?
I apologise for mentioning a youth but the best example of an athlete who has gone the right way about competing for Ireland even though he is UK based is Paul Scanlon-Fair play to him!
Some people here talk about how the inclusion of these athletes will strengthen events in Ireland and add competition;thats a load of codswallop as very few of these athletes will compete in Ireland on a regular enough basis to strengthen any event.
Brona Furlong has earned the right to represent her country at the European cup by being the best Irish athlete this season and is being denied that opportunity.
There should be some sort of transparent procedure where applications need to be made,dealt with by a panel,interview etc and then a waiting period with immediate exemptions from major championships in that year!
End rant!

thirtyfoot

helpisontheway wrote: »

Ive stopped myself numerous times from posting on the inclusion of UK/non irish resident athletes declaring for Ireland but its getting a bit ridiculous now.It is quiet obvious that some athletes are only declaring for Ireland because they cant get on the UK team and their only chance of competing internationally is with Ireland.
Also the procedure itself by the looks of things is totally ridiculous.Are AAI approaching these athletes or are these athletes approaching AAI? What irish clubs are these athletes registering with and is that in part a reason? Should these athletes not have to actually compete in Ireland at least once in their lifetimes before they have earned the right to wear an irish singlet?
I apologise for mentioning a youth but the best example of an athlete who has gone the right way about competing for Ireland even though he is UK based is Paul Scanlon-Fair play to him!
Some people here talk about how the inclusion of these athletes will strengthen events in Ireland and add competition;thats a load of codswallop as very few of these athletes will compete in Ireland on a regular enough basis to strengthen any event.
Brona Furlong has earned the right to represent her country at the European cup by being the best Irish athlete this season and is being denied that opportunity.
There should be some sort of transparent procedure where applications need to be made,dealt with by a panel,interview etc and then a waiting period with immediate exemptions from major championships in that year!
End rant!

Good points. But if Kinney is willing to do the bare minimum of always being available for Ireland, compete at Nationals and always give 100%, then that will do for me. There are some natural born and raised irish who won't do the bare minimum without being dragged kicking and screaming.

TrackFan123

Jam400 wrote: »

Generally how its done

I think the problem is he wouldnt be able to see someone coming into him what with being crouched down and looking underneath his arm, whereas a least he will have some sort of control and better vision over what happens on the first change.

No you dont understand what im saying. In a relay, the outgoing runner puts a marker down, goes in the crouched position, waits until the incoming runner hits it and takes off, they then dont look back, wait for the call of HAND and stick out their hand to receive the baton.

I was saying instead the incoming runner sees the marker and shouts for Smyth to run and then shouts hand when he's ready to pass, that would make much more sense as Smyth doesnt have to look at all, whereas on first leg he still has to look for Hessions hand

myflipflops

helpisontheway wrote: »

Some people here talk about how the inclusion of these athletes will strengthen events in Ireland and add competition;thats a load of codswallop as very few of these athletes will compete in Ireland on a regular enough basis to strengthen any event.
!

Fair. People should have to earn the vest and not be shipped into teams.

My point is that in general, these athletes declaring for Ireland cannot be a bad thing for the development of our current athletes. It can only be good if you have to improve and run quicker to win a nationals or get selected for a representative team. Raising the bar in terms of standards cannot be a bad thing.

chrissor

TrackFan123 wrote: »

No you dont understand what im saying. In a relay, the outgoing runner puts a marker down, goes in the crouched position, waits until the incoming runner hits it and takes off, they then dont look back, wait for the call of HAND and stick out their hand to receive the baton.

I was saying instead the incoming runner sees the marker and shouts for Smyth to run and then shouts hand when he's ready to pass, that would make much more sense as Smyth doesnt have to look at all, whereas on first leg he still has to look for Hessions hand

That is a good point and I agree. Im not sure what limits to Jason's vision actually is but if he cannot see the third leg coming, he will be waiting, set to go for maybe 20 seconds for the call, thats a long time to be focused, waiting for a call as opposed to someone who can look back and get themselves ready in a matter of seconds, that could be one thing preventing him from running 4th.

Rineanna

European Team Champs in full swing:

Claire Brady takes an excellent 9 points with her second fastest clocking of 11.64 to finish second in her heat, and fourth overall.

Justine Kinney takes 6 points, while Padraig White taking four points in one of our weaker events.

John Fagan runs 53.05 on his ETC debut, while Mary McLoone didn't have her best day taking one point in the triple. Gillick and co still to come!

ecoli

Rineanna wrote: »

European Team Champs in full swing:

Claire Brady takes an excellent 9 points with her second fastest clocking of 11.64 to finish second in her heat, and fourth overall.

Justine Kinney takes 6 points, while Padraig White taking four points in one of our weaker events.

John Fagan runs 53.05 on his ETC debut, while Mary McLoone didn't have her best day taking one point in the triple. Gillick and co still to come!

Any link to results had a look around and every site keeps redirecting me to the Super League rather than the other divisions?

Rineanna

ecoli wrote: »

Any link to results had a look around and every site keeps redirecting me to the Super League rather than the other divisions?

Anseo: http://www.csapateb2010.hu/index.php?mid=157

ecoli

100m Men Heat 2 Date: 19 June 2010; Time: 17:42
1 SMYTH, Jason IRL 10.27 0.155
2 OBIKWELU, Francis POR 10.28 0.195
3 OSOVNIKAR, Matic SLO 10.42 0.146
3 VELEBA, Jan CZE 10.42 0.171
5 KLING-BAPTISTE, Tom SWE 10.53 PB 0.223
6 NEMETH, Gergely HUN 10.57 0.132
7 DOUGLAS, Caimin NED 10.63 0.167

Another new PB? no wind gauge up on site though

Rineanna

ecoli wrote: »

100m Men Heat 2 Date: 19 June 2010; Time: 17:42
1 SMYTH, Jason IRL 10.27 0.155
2 OBIKWELU, Francis POR 10.28 0.195
3 OSOVNIKAR, Matic SLO 10.42 0.146
3 VELEBA, Jan CZE 10.42 0.171
5 KLING-BAPTISTE, Tom SWE 10.53 PB 0.223
6 NEMETH, Gergely HUN 10.57 0.132
7 DOUGLAS, Caimin NED 10.63 0.167

Another new PB? no wind gauge up on site though

I'll dance a dance if it's legal. :eek:

letsbefriends

will put him just outside europe's top 10...for a blind guy thats absolutely savage running

Rineanna

letsbefriends wrote: »

will put him just outside europe's top 10...for a blind guy thats absolutely savage running

:rolleyes: I believe it's visually impaired.

letsbefriends

being legally blind doesn't count as being blind? my mistake

myflipflops

letsbefriends wrote: »

being legally blind doesn't count as being blind? my mistake

It also appears not to hinder him at all.

Is he now maybe the greatest para-olympic athlete ever in terms of general track and field competition?

Rineanna wrote: »

Anseo: http://www.csapateb2010.hu/index.php?mid=157

This isn't working for me. Anybody else having trouble? It could be just due to my IP location.

ecoli

myflipflops wrote: »

It also appears not to hinder him at all.

Is he now maybe the greatest para-olympic athlete ever in terms of general track and field competition?




This isn't working for me. Anybody else having trouble? It could be just due to my IP location.

Wasnt working for a small bit but grand again

Galligan 2.03
Scullion 3.47

Ireland joint 10th after 8 events on 43.5 points with Slovakia. How many go down again?

notsofast

Bottom 2 teams go down to 2nd league. Think we can survive, we still have Gillick, Hess, DOR and relays to go.

Full info on league here
http://www.csapateb2010.hu/index.php?mid=153

longjump67

interesting to note that Justine kinney classified in results from Budapest as GBR not IRL
http://www.tilastopaja.org/staticresults/eaa12798676.htm

Rineanna

Wish they'd hurry on with the rest of the results!

longjump67 wrote: »

interesting to note that Justine kinney classified in results from Budapest as GBR not IRL
http://www.tilastopaja.org/staticresults/eaa12798676.htm

It was so recent a change that they either don't know she's declared for Ireland and in putted it incorrectly or just haven't changed her nationality in their system.

MacSwifty

Rineanna wrote: »

Wish they'd hurry on with the rest of the results!

Unoffical Ireland in sixth place after relays

letsbefriends

heard from inside the camp theyre in 8th

longjump67

Ireland in 8th place after day 1 with 130.5 pts 5pts behind Holland in 7th

Rineanna

Report: http://www.athleticsireland.ie/content/?p=13916

Koroush Faroughi 2.20m PB! Is that the first Irish male over 2.20m since 2004?

Fionnuala Britton qualified for Euros with 9.42.49. and Gillick 2nd in 400m behind Borlée with same time as Geneva.

drrunner

Fantastic run by Smyth - great competitive effort also given the athletes he beat! PB's by Christie and Foroughi great to see - 3 athletes having their best performances ever is a good return for the team. Also good to see Britton only a second away from her all time best in the steeple...tough though as event has moved on so much since she made the final in Osaka.

thirtyfoot

Good day at the office for the Irish and I'd say relegation can be avoided now.

Kourosh the star man with his 9 points, a real boost and Christie's addition to the team and subsequent 11pts a God send. Nobody had a nightmare with Britton and Andrews also doing well and of course Smyth nicking the 100 with that time was savage. He would have been expected to get 11 pts anyway at least but his time was the outstanding point.

If Hession, Chamney, Proper, Ryan and O' Rourke all compete to expectation we will be safe.

thirtyfoot

longjump67 wrote: »

interesting to note that Justine kinney classified in results from Budapest as GBR not IRL
http://www.tilastopaja.org/staticresults/eaa12798676.htm

Simple I'd say. EAA use tilastopaja and if you look on that site she is still GBR, nothing sinister, just the database that tilastopoja and EAA use is not updated. Send tilastopaja an email if it hurts your eyes too much;)

longjump67

Koroush Faroughi 2.20m PB! Is that the first Irish male over 2.20m since 2004?

First Irishman to clear 1.75m while holding an umbrella national league june 2010
Amazing character

letsbefriends

Tingle wrote: »

Good day at the office for the Irish and I'd say relegation can be avoided now.



If Hession, Chamney, Proper, Ryan and O' Rourke all compete to expectation we will be safe.

proper not competing

thirtyfoot

letsbefriends wrote: »

proper not competing

Still should be ok, 15.5 pts ahead of schedule on day 1.

Rineanna

Christine McMahon just outside her 400mh PR at the England U20/U23 trials with 59.66.

ecoli

Colvert 21.37 in the Dublin Championships last night with +1.0 wind

Rineanna

Aoife Hickey performed well to place tenth in the hammer.

thirtyfoot

Rineanna wrote: »

Christine McMahon just outside her 400mh PR at the England U20/U23 trials with 59.66.

That's world junior standard sorted, 3 400 hurdlers going to Canada now - Maher, Crowe and Mcmahon.

Rineanna

12.80 for Derval, to finish second! :cool:

YANIT, Nevin TUR 12.74
2 O'ROURKE, Derval IRL 12.80
3 BERINGS, Eline BEL 12.84
4 KALLUR, Susanna SWE 12.88


Kennedy finished 11th in TJ with 15.05.

6th for Kelly McNeice in 1500m:

1 AUGUSTO, Jessica POR 4:09.78
2 PAPP, Krisztina HUN 4:10.76 SB
3 USLU, Binnaz TUR 4:11.36 PB
4 SCHONBECK, Charlotte SWE 4:11.62 PB
5 BOBOCEL, Ancuta ROU 4:13.20 PB
6 MCNEICE-REID, Kelly IRL 4:16.32 SB

longjump67

100 m hurdles going to be one off the races of euro champs 10 - 12 athletes sub 13 secs

Nice to see DOR getting back to form and beating SK brill

Rineanna

longjump67 wrote: »

100 m hurdles going to be one off the races of euro champs 10 - 12 athletes sub 13 secs

Nice to see DOR getting back to form and beating SK brill

Yeah, just after seeing that the Russian Dektyareva is after running 12.68 with a slight headwind. :eek: But our Derv will whallop her in Barcelona.

Rineanna

Niamh Whelan 23.30! :eek::cool: Finished second. Not sure of wind.

Edit: +1.3 wind. Great Stuff.

Pisco Sour

F*ck! It seems like the standard of European 100m Hurdles running has increased hugely from last year. It wont be easy to get into the medals but I wouldnt bet against her. Great to see her running so fast so early in the season. Has she ever run this fast outside of a major championship? As far as I'm aware she has only ran faster than that 3 times (twice in Berlin last year 12.67 and 12.73, and once in Gotenburg, 12.72). Correct me if I'm wrong!

lacticsmygame

Rineanna wrote: »

Niamh Whelan 23.30! :eek::cool: Finished second. Not sure of wind.

was legal! she's off to Barca!

dkb

Hession won in a SB of 20.46.
Ireland lying 8th on 179.5