People from Northern Ireland are not British!

owenc · 20-05-2010 4:31pm

Why do you lot always make a fuss about this my passport says I'm british so I'm British I'm closer to britain the county down in fact it's on 15milw away county down is 100 mile

karma_ · 20-05-2010 4:32pm

Camelot wrote: »

'Great' refers to being greater than .............
And in the case of Great Britain, being (larger than) Brittany.

Jaysus, I know what it meant, It was a joke at Fred's expense, you know like the joke he ended his post with.

SugarHigh · 20-05-2010 4:33pm

karma_ wrote: »

They may have Irish heritage but if your born in England your English, Wales your Welsh, Scotland your Scottish, Botswana your... well I'm not sure but you get the picture.

Given that I'm not sure what to make of your apparent shock that people from Northern Ireland are Irish.

I have Irish parents who lived in England in the 80's where I was born and then they moved back to Ireland when I was only a year old.

I hold an Irish passport but you are saying I am not Irish.

karma_ · 20-05-2010 4:33pm

owenc wrote: »

Why do you lot always make a fuss about this my passport says I'm british so I'm British I'm closer to britain the county down in fact it's on 15milw away county down is 100 mile

I think you better check your map again there bud.

Rebelheart · 20-05-2010 4:34pm

mike65 wrote: »

Who, apart from the most anal buttoned-down mind really gives a feck? :mad:

I don't know whether Camelot was excluded or included from that comment - but he's definitely there somewhere.:)

Rebelheart · 20-05-2010 4:35pm

owenc wrote: »

Why do you lot always make a fuss about this my passport says I'm british so I'm British I'm closer to britain the county down in fact it's on 15milw away county down is 100 mile

Your posts keep improving.

karma_ · 20-05-2010 4:37pm

SugarHigh wrote: »

I have Irish parents who lived in England in the 80's where I was born and then they moved back to Ireland when I was only a year old.

I hold an Irish passport but you are saying I am not Irish.

You can be whatever you want to be, I'm guessing you identified more with being Irish so you took the step of obtaining a passport. I have no more problem with that than I do a Unionist choosing to be British, that however was not really what the thread was all about.

Rebelheart · 20-05-2010 4:38pm

enda1 wrote: »

Great = Large.

Like Great Blasket Island is largest of the Blasket Islands.

So Great Britain is the largest of the British Isles.

Actually, no: Britanny is Little Britain. Although in the Irish 'Little Britain' is Wales, 'An Bhreatain Bheag'.

sensibleken · 20-05-2010 4:39pm

can i still be a priest?

SugarHigh · 20-05-2010 4:41pm

karma_ wrote: »

You can be whatever you want to be, I'm guessing you identified more with being Irish so you took the step of obtaining a passport. I have no more problem with that than I do a Unionist choosing to be British, that however was not really what the thread was all about.

I was replying to what you said.

if your[sic] born in England your[sic] English

owenc · 20-05-2010 4:41pm

karma_ wrote: »

I think you better check your map again there bud.

U don't belive me measure it on google earth! http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_people it states British people are from the united kingdom, ni is in the uk so therefore we are British!

moonpurple · 20-05-2010 4:44pm

in reply to OP, I listened and pat kenny made a clear verbal gaffe, rushing to finish before the news

Fratton Fred · 20-05-2010 4:45pm

karma_ wrote: »

Jaysus, I know what it meant, It was a joke at Fred's expense, you know like the joke he ended his post with.

I got it!

I think the word great was used because the term "The dog's bollox" hadn't been invented then!!

Actually, to keep the unionists happy, maybe a united Ireland could be called Lessor Britain, or Minor Britain to reflect the correct geographical term!

Rebelheart · 20-05-2010 4:46pm

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Not that it matters, we are all British as we are all from the British Isles

How very, well, British nationalist of you. Well done.

Gaelic32 · 20-05-2010 4:46pm

owenc wrote: »

U don't belive me measure it on google earth! http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_people it states British people are from the united kingdom, ni is in the uk so therefore we are British!

Sorry to burst your wee bubble ther owenc but Coleraine is as irish as Cork, it derives its name from the Irish: Cúil Raithin meaning "ferny corner"

karma_ · 20-05-2010 4:46pm

owenc wrote: »

U don't belive me measure it on google earth! http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_people it states British people are from the united kingdom, ni is in the uk so therefore we are British!

Yes Owen, we may be British citizens but that has nothing really to do with our nationality.

lugha · 20-05-2010 4:47pm

gizmo555 wrote: »

Pat Kenny is absolutely right. In the Good Friday agreement the UK and Irish governments affirmed that they:

recognise the birthright of all the people of Northern Ireland to identify themselves and be accepted as Irish or British, or both, as they may so choose, and accordingly confirm that their right to hold both British and Irish citizenship is accepted by both Governments and would not be affected by any future change in the status of Northern Ireland.

http://www.nio.gov.uk/agreement.pdf

He would be quite correct to say 'not all people from Northern Ireland are British'. But the OP quotes him as saying 'all people from Northern Ireland are not British' which is not quite the same thing.

Fratton Fred · 20-05-2010 4:47pm

Rebelheart wrote: »

How very, well, British nationalist of you. Well done.

Sigh.....

karma_ · 20-05-2010 4:47pm

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I got it!

I think the word great was used because the term "The dog's bollox" hadn't been invented then!!

Actually, to keep the unionists happy, maybe a united Ireland could be called Lessor Britain, or Minor Britain to reflect the correct geographical term!

I knew you would, I'm very disappointed in the other two though.

LordSutch · 20-05-2010 4:47pm

SugarHigh wrote: »

I have Irish parents who lived in England in the 80's where I was born and then they moved back to Ireland when I was only a year old.

I hold an Irish passport but you are saying I am not Irish.

Well going by what Pat kenny suggests, you are indeed British/English, but you certainly cannot be Irish, seeing as you were born in Britain

owenc · 20-05-2010 4:48pm

Gaelic32 wrote: »

Sorry to burst your wee bubble ther owenc but Coleraine is as irish as Cork, it derives its name from the Irish: Cúil Raithin meaning "ferny corner"

The people arnt

gurramok · 20-05-2010 4:48pm

owenc wrote: »

U don't belive me measure it on google earth! http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_people it states British people are from the united kingdom, ni is in the uk so therefore we are British!

Only some of you claim to be British or British Irish, if the Irish tag is too insulting. The other side of the divide want to be Irish and their wishes should be respected.

Fratton Fred wrote:

Actually, to keep the unionists happy, maybe a united Ireland could be called Lessor Britain, or Minor Britain to reflect the correct geographical term!

As part of the Irish Isles of course

Rebelheart · 20-05-2010 4:49pm

owenc wrote: »

U don't belive me measure it on google earth! http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_people it states British people are from the united kingdom, ni is in the uk so therefore we are British!

Try, at least try, and answer what he was referring to. But then again anybody who says (albeit convolutely) that Down is nearer to Britain than it is to the Republic has just not thought much about how far it is from many fields in Down to many other fields in Louth.

owenc · 20-05-2010 4:51pm

lugha wrote: »

He would be quite correct to say 'not all people from Northern Ireland are British'. But the OP quotes him as saying 'all people from Northern Ireland are not British' which is not quite the same thing.

Actually my passport says nationality and British below!:cool:

LordSutch · 20-05-2010 4:52pm

lugha wrote: »

He would be quite correct to say 'not all people from Northern Ireland are British'. But the OP quotes him as saying 'all people from Northern Ireland are not British' which is not quite the same thing.

Pat's statement is pretty categoricle, if you were born in Ireland (North or South) you are Irish, end of . . . (according to him).

Rebelheart · 20-05-2010 4:52pm

owenc wrote: »

Actually my passport says nationality and British below!:cool:

That's because you're a raging loyalist/unionist. Duh.

karma_ · 20-05-2010 4:53pm

owenc wrote: »

Actually my passport says nationality and British below!:cool:

Owen, in simple terms you are a British citizen, no one is attempting to deny you that fact.

Your Nationality remains as Irish/Northern Irish.

owenc · 20-05-2010 4:53pm

Rebelheart wrote: »

Try, at least try, and answer what he was referring to. But then again anybody who says (albeit convolutely) that Down is nearer to Britain than it is to the Republic has just not thought much about how far it is from many fields in Down to many other fields in Louth.

I said I'm closer to scotland than down!

karma_ · 20-05-2010 4:53pm

Camelot wrote: »

Pat's statement is pretty categoricle, if you were born in Ireland (North or South) you are Irish, end of . . . (according to him).

That is correct.

owenc · 20-05-2010 4:55pm

Rebelheart wrote: »

That's because you're a raging loyalist/unionist. Duh.

I'm no loyalist!:)

SugarHigh · 20-05-2010 4:56pm

Camelot wrote: »

Well going by what Pat kenny suggests, you are indeed British/English, but you certainly cannot be Irish, seeing as you were born in Britain

Well my Irish passport has Irish under nationality.:D

As far as I know I'm allowed to get a British passport as well because my parents lived there for more than 10 years, I wonder would the British passport also have Irish under nationality?

lugha · 20-05-2010 4:57pm

Camelot wrote: »

Pat's statement is pretty categoricle, if you were born in Ireland (North or South) you are Irish, end of . . . (according to him).

I doubt if that is what he was saying, or he surely would have said "no one from Northern Ireland is British"

karma_ · 20-05-2010 4:58pm

SugarHigh wrote: »

Well my Irish passport has Irish under nationality.:D

As far as I know I'm allowed to get a British passport as well because my parents lived there for more than 10 years, I wonder would the British passport also have Irish under nationality?

You would of course qualify for a British passport. I have both. Off teh top of my head I would think it does list your nationality as Irish, I would need to check to confirm though.

SugarHigh · 20-05-2010 5:02pm

karma_ wrote: »

You would of course qualify for a British passport. I have both. Off teh top of my head I would think it does list your nationality as Irish, I would need to check to confirm though.

Is there any reason to have both?

I've considered getting one to take advantage of the British equivalents of the j1.

dlofnep · 20-05-2010 5:02pm

Since when did we give a fiddler's about what Pat Kenny thinks? Is Camelot really that stuck for material that he's now quoting Pat Kenny?

People from the north are Irish by geography, and Irish or British by nationality - depending on what they as an individual choose. Beyond that - who gives a shít?

gurramok · 20-05-2010 5:02pm

karma_ wrote: »

You would of course qualify for a British passport. I have both. Off teh top of my head I would think it does list your nationality as Irish, I would need to check to confirm though.

I'm in same boat as SugarHigh. Irish parents lived in Britain for a while and I too have Irish passport, I was reared here for most of my life though

sirromo · 20-05-2010 5:05pm

At the end of the day, we're all British-isles people and we're all white European christians. We should be focusing on the things that unite us, not the things that divide us.

Rebelheart · 20-05-2010 5:06pm

sirromo wrote: »

At the end of the day, we're all British-isles people and we're all white European christians. We should be focusing on the things that unite us, not the things that divide us.

:rolleyes:

karma_ · 20-05-2010 5:06pm

SugarHigh wrote: »

Is there any reason to have both?

I've considered getting one to take advantage of the British equivalents of the j1.

Avoiding visa issues when travelling to & from the US is why I had 2.

dlofnep · 20-05-2010 5:06pm

sirromo wrote: »

At the end of the day, we're all British-isles people and we're all white European christians. We should be focusing on the things that unite us, not the things that divide us.

Eh, no we're not.

owenc · 20-05-2010 5:07pm

dlofnep wrote: »

Eh, no we're not.

yes you are. good god. What about the indian ocean, why do the africans not make a fuss about that.:rolleyes:

getz · 20-05-2010 5:07pm

karma_ wrote: »

She is infact Gibraltarian.

her british passport says born in gibraltar,my british passport says born in sale,both are place names, gibraltar has its elected MPs in the UK parliment,so has sale and its EU MPs in england , all people from gibraltar have british passports but do not need them when coming to the UK,like scotland wales and northern ireland

owenc · 20-05-2010 5:08pm

karma_ wrote: »

You would of course qualify for a British passport. I have both. Off teh top of my head I would think it does list your nationality as Irish, I would need to check to confirm though.

no as british.

karma_ · 20-05-2010 5:09pm

getz wrote: »

her british passport says born in gibraltar,my british passport says born in sale,both are place names, gibraltar has its elected MPs in the UK parliment,so has sale and its EU MPs in england , all people from gibraltar have british passports but do not need them when coming to the UK,like scotland wales and northern ireland

I'm not saying she's not British, I'm just clarifying what her nationality is.

karma_ · 20-05-2010 5:10pm

owenc wrote: »

no as british.

I'm assuming there's a section on the application form where you say what your choice is.

LordSutch · 20-05-2010 5:10pm

dlofnep wrote: »

Since when did we give a fiddler's about what Pat Kenny thinks? Is Camelot really that stuck for material that he's now quoting Pat Kenny?

You have a point alright, but if you listen to the segment (1 min) it does hit you between the eyes, specially with DUP/UUP supporters being sooo British, and yet Mr Kenny pontificates live on air that they certainly are not.

dlofnep wrote: »

People from the north are Irish by geography, and Irish or British by nationality - depending on what they as an individual choose. Beyond that - who gives a shít?

I agree, but sometimes when you hear a very prominent broadcaster making a 'categoricle statement' you prick up your ears!

old hippy · 20-05-2010 5:11pm

owenc wrote: »

yes you are. good god. What about the indian ocean, why do the africans not make a fuss about that.:rolleyes:

Possibly 'cos the 2 continents don't have a bitter historical relationship?

gurramok · 20-05-2010 5:12pm

owenc wrote: »

yes you are. good god. What about the indian ocean, why do the africans not make a fuss about that.:rolleyes:

People don't live in the Indian Ocean, only the mermaids do

karma_ · 20-05-2010 5:12pm

owenc wrote: »

yes you are. good god. What about the indian ocean, why do the africans not make a fuss about that.:rolleyes:

I think it's the christian part he's talking about.

Rebelheart · 20-05-2010 5:12pm

karma_ wrote: »

You would of course qualify for a British passport. I have both. Off teh top of my head I would think it does list your nationality as Irish, I would need to check to confirm though.

karma_ wrote: »

Avoiding visa issues when travelling to & from the US is why I had 2.

People from Northern Ireland are not British!

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