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If There Was A Referendum on Abortion Tomorrow, How Would You Vote?

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    #242
    cynder
    Registered Users Posts: 4,128 ✭✭✭cynder


    Smart Bug wrote: »
    And this you know how? I haven't stated my ideas beyond my support for the right to choose.


    But if anyone disagrees you jump down their thoat!


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    #243
    Smart Bug
    Registered Users Posts: 1,368 ✭✭✭Smart Bug


    grindelwald wrote: »
    But if anyone disagrees you jump down their thoat!


    Only when sensationalist/religious/contradictory statements were borught into it.

    I'm the police for those things you see.


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    #244
    philologos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    Smart Bug wrote: »
    Only when sensationalist/religious/contradictory statements were borught into it.

    I'm the police for those things you see.

    Actually, if you read back through the comments and compare them, there is a good case to be made that most of the sensationalism and contradiction has arisen in the pro-choice crowd.


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    #245
    cynder
    Registered Users Posts: 4,128 ✭✭✭cynder


    Smart Bug wrote: »
    Only when sensationalist/religious/contradictory statements were borught into it.

    I'm the police for those things you see.



    Everyone has a right to an opinion!


    ive never been baptised!


    babies get sliced and diced that's abortion, i'm not sensationalising it, its fact.


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    #246
    Hannibal Smith
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,893 ✭✭✭Hannibal Smith


    grindelwald wrote: »
    Poor pets, should have used a contraceptive and be thankful they didn't get AIDS instead.

    *mustn't feed the trolls, mustn'd feed the trolls*:rolleyes:


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    #247
    Hannibal Smith
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,893 ✭✭✭Hannibal Smith


    Jakkass wrote: »
    I dealt with it sufficiently. It's a fallacious argument.

    That would be a no then :D


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    #248
    Hannibal Smith
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,893 ✭✭✭Hannibal Smith


    grindelwald wrote: »
    But if anyone disagrees you jump down their thoat!

    as opposed to the multiple exclamation calm stance I suppose :D


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    #249
    Hannibal Smith
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,893 ✭✭✭Hannibal Smith


    Jakkass wrote: »
    Actually, if you read back through the comments and compare them, there is a good case to be made that most of the sensationalism and contradiction has arisen in the pro-choice crowd.

    *face palm*


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    #250
    UnknownSpecies
    Registered Users Posts: 3,183 ✭✭✭UnknownSpecies


    People should be able to choose


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    #251
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    grindelwald wrote: »
    Everyone has a right to an opinion!


    ive never been baptised!


    cells get sliced and diced that's abortion, i'm not sensationalising it, its fact.

    ftp


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    #252
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    Jakkass wrote: »
    Actually, if you read back through the comments and compare them, there is a good case to be made that most of the sensationalism and contradiction has arisen in the pro-choice crowd.

    Yeah the AIDS thing was a cheap shot... oh wait...


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    #253
    Prof.Badass
    Registered Users Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭Prof.Badass


    Max Power1 wrote: »
    Surely that falls under a definition of human interference to stop a conception which would other wise occur, and should be outlawed too?

    Nope. If you were to not do anything (i.e not have sex) the sperm and ovum would never become a person. They require your interferance to become a person. It is your choice. Having sex in such a way that they do not meet is essentially the same as not having sex at all.

    However a developing fetus does not require your interferance to become a person. It is (imo) too far down the line to kill without some sort of moral guilt.


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    #254
    cynder
    Registered Users Posts: 4,128 ✭✭✭cynder


    Not a cheep shot, im not taking any shots. Im just saying things could be a lot worse than getting pregnant.

    There is always the hpv virus that causes cervical cancer. Im sure no one wants to go through what Jade Goody did.


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    #255
    cynder
    Registered Users Posts: 4,128 ✭✭✭cynder


    dorgasm wrote: »
    People should be able to choose


    They do! They choose to go to the uk to kill the baby or stay at home and keep it or have it adopted.


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    #256
    Hannibal Smith
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,893 ✭✭✭Hannibal Smith


    grindelwald wrote: »
    Not a cheep shot, im not taking any shots. Im just saying things could be a lot worse than getting pregnant.

    There is always the hpv virus that causes cervical cancer. Im sure no one wants to go through what Jade Goody did.

    Well they've you on their side who's all for euthanasia if they do :D


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    #257
    cynder
    Registered Users Posts: 4,128 ✭✭✭cynder


    Hannibal Smith wrote: »
    Well they've you on their side who's all for euthanasia if they do :D

    Very true......

    Jade Goody begged doctors and her mom to end her life.


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    #258
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    grindelwald wrote: »
    Not a cheep shot, im not taking any shots. Im just saying things could be a lot worse than getting pregnant.

    There is always the hpv virus that causes cervical cancer. Im sure no one wants to go through what Jade Goody did.

    I asked you before on the odds of contracting HIV from Vaganal penetration, its alot less than pregnancy


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    #259
    cynder
    Registered Users Posts: 4,128 ✭✭✭cynder


    Aprox 5500 people have know HIV/AIDS.


    If you do not know the person history (not a virgin) there is a possibility they are infected, if not with HIV could be another STI.

    Between 200 and 250 people a year are get diagnosed as being HIV +

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/1201/breaking24.html

    case in dungarvan where woman tried to infect men.

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/angel-of-death-priest-now-out-of-ministry-472720.html


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    #260
    cynder
    Registered Users Posts: 4,128 ✭✭✭cynder


    efb wrote: »
    I asked you before on the odds of contracting HIV from Vaganal penetration, its alot less than pregnancy

    yes it is, but you can tell that to the 80 or so that get diagnosed with HIV in the antenatal clinic every year. Sure it wont make them feel any better.

    The odds of a HIV-negative man contracting the virus from a HIV-positive woman is 1,000/1. It is easier for a woman to contract HIV, partly because the vaginal walls can tear and bleed during sex.
    http://www.independent.ie/unsorted/features/telling-it-straight-about-aids-in-ireland-343257.html
    that was back in june 2001.


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    #261
    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    ocokev wrote: »
    Fianna fail

    To abort them ? Count me in!


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    #262
    CLAIRE_CAT
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    just out of interest i would like to know how many of the voters were male?
    it seems to me that having a child involves a womans body and not a mans... therefore women should have the deciding vote on whether or not abortion should be legalised....
    women get left with the child men dont


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    #263
    drkpower
    Registered Users Posts: 5,475 ✭✭✭drkpower


    CLAIRE_CAT wrote: »
    just out of interest i would like to know how many of the voters were male?
    it seems to me that having a child involves a womans body and not a mans... therefore women should have the deciding vote on whether or not abortion should be legalised....
    women get left with the child men dont

    Like if the result of a referendum is exactly 50:50? That's fair enough.


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    #264
    efb
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    Men can give women the choice!


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    #265
    CorsetIsTight
    Registered Users Posts: 320 ✭✭CorsetIsTight


    Jakkass wrote: »
    Is it a right to abort?

    My apologies for not being clearer, my question (why do the rights cease at 12 weeks?) was directed at someone who believed that abortion was a woman's right. My query was to why that purported right had a time-limit.


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    #266
    [Deleted User]
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    CorsetIsTight wrote: »
    My apologies for not being clearer, my question (why do the rights cease at 12 weeks?) was directed at someone who believed that abortion was a woman's right. My query was to why that purported right had a time-limit.

    *sigh* It's not called abortion after that time limit, it is something different entirely. That is why.


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    #267
    Hazlittle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 210 ✭✭Hazlittle


    ash23 wrote: »
    The ironic thing is that keeping abortion illegal probably doesn't decrease the numer of Irish woman having them.

    However it does mean they are unable to have early abortions between procedure (Irish women are not allowed to have early abortions in the UK) and the added cost of travelling means the abortion happens later rather than sooner, making the actual procedure more difficult and meaning that the foetus is furthur developed.

    So what measures does the Gardai have to prevent rape and murders? Legalise that too so rape victims can receive instant help?
    CLAIRE_CAT wrote: »
    just out of interest i would like to know how many of the voters were male?
    it seems to me that having a child involves a womans body and not a mans... therefore women should have the deciding vote on whether or not abortion should be legalised....
    women get left with the child men dont

    Some children are also male.


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    #268
    PK2008
    Registered Users Posts: 2,219 ✭✭✭PK2008


    Cant the women who want abortions just go to the UK?




    ......with the rest of the doomed heathens


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    #269
    [Deleted User]
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    Hazlittle wrote: »
    So what measures does the Gardai have to prevent rape and murders? Legalise that too so rape victims can receive instant help?

    Your argument here would lead to more rapes, not quicker help for rape victims.

    You thought you were applying the same logic as the poster you were replying to, but you weren't. You have missed the point.


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    #270
    gerrycollins
    Registered Users Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭gerrycollins


    I think the question is very uneven. I am and always will be against abortion, however im not going to go out and prevent others from doing so. where does that put me?

    I voted no however I think each case should be taken on its own merits.

    i have a really good friend who had one and its never affected our friendship and why should it.

    i also have 3 wonderful(sometimes) kids and cannot bear to think of them been aborted.

    im pro choice but I would argue against abortion


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    #271
    Hazlittle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 210 ✭✭Hazlittle


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Your argument here would lead to more rapes, not quicker help for rape victims.

    You thought you were applying the same logic as the poster you were replying to, but you weren't. You have missed the point.


    I dont really think murder, rape or child molestation being illegal lowers the amount of these crimes. Most decent people dont do things that are illegal cause it is either wrong to do or their is punishment along with. However truely evil people will continue to cause death and destruction regardless of the law.


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