Jose Mourinho, the greatest football manager of all time.......

FatherTed

Bunch of big babies.

Johnny Utah

Well, the Special One certainly won tonight's battle!

I predicted Jose's rise to dominance!

aramush

I know it was a bad decision, but poor poor Fergie.

Johnny Utah

Fergie looks a bit angry tonight, even more than usual!:D

Johnny Utah

Well done Jose Mourinho.

He wone the battle with Mr Ferrguson last night to prove conclusively that he is now better manager.

NIMAN

His team looked devoid of ideas until they got the 11 v 10 advantage.

GavRedKing

Fergie vs Mourinho

Fergie
Played 16
Won 2
Lost 7
Drew 7

Backstreet Moyes

Johnny Utah wrote: »

Well done Jose Mourinho.

He wone the battle with Mr Ferrguson last night to prove conclusively that he is now better manager.

If you believe that i can only presume you started watching the game after the red card.

GavRedKing

NIMAN wrote: »

His team looked devoid of ideas until they got the 11 v 10 advantage.

Jose made a good change straight away and recognised Utd would struggle with the extra body in CM and brought on Modric for the nearly killed Arbeloa, who scored after about 10 mins of coming on.

Johnny Utah

Nuts102 wrote: »

If you believe that i can only presume you started watching the game after the red card.

Watched the full match of both legs. :cool:

Backstreet Moyes

Johnny Utah wrote: »

Watched the full match of both legs. :cool:

Well you would have noticed until the red card United were in front and Madrid were creating nothing. The red card changed the game.

Red Crow

GavRedKing wrote: »

Jose made a good change straight away and recognised Utd would struggle with the extra body in CM and brought on Modric for the nearly killed Arbeloa, who scored after about 10 mins of coming on.

In fairness Gav without Nani being our ball carrier from Real Madrid attacks Arbeloa was effectively going to be another right midfielder. It was a good change to make but it was fairly obvious.

But Real Madrid were poor over the two legs. Especially Xabi Alonso who was useless for a man of his talent. I don't think Mourinho picked the right team.

efb

Jose is the man.

Leiva

Probably a better place to post....

One person to go way down in my books last night was Jose Mourinho.

Jeez the ass licking was cringeworthy and its so bleeding obvious he wants the UTD job after Fergie.No problem with that but talk about going out on a limb.

Didn't think he was like that at all, and if the Chelsea fans think he is going back to the Bridge then I'm sorry but not by the sounds of his brown tonguing last night.

Madrid fans must be so proud of their manger.

efb

Leiva wrote: »

Probably a better place to post....

One person to go way down in my books last night was Jose Mourinho.

Jeez the ass licking was cringeworthy and its so bleeding obvious he wants the UTD job after Fergie.No problem with that but talk about going out on a limb.

Didn't think he was like that at all, and if the Chelsea fans think he is going back to the Bridge then I'm sorry but not by the sounds of his brown tonguing last night.

Madrid fans must be so proud of their manger.

De Ja vu?

Leiva

efb wrote: »

De Ja vu?

Nah other place just got closed and this thread is probably a better place to discuss the man rather than in a match thread.

klose

Leiva wrote: »

Probably a better place to post....

One person to go way down in my books last night was Jose Mourinho.

Jeez the ass licking was cringeworthy and its so bleeding obvious he wants the UTD job after Fergie.No problem with that but talk about going out on a limb.

Didn't think he was like that at all, and if the Chelsea fans think he is going back to the Bridge then I'm sorry but not by the sounds of his brown tonguing last night.

Madrid fans must be so proud of their manger.

I thought he was calling as it was, united were the better team

efb

I thought he was being the master of mind games. He said he's not returning to Chelsea. His comments prob annoyed UEFA UND and Madrid but he didn't say anything wrong or offensive to get punished.

efb

efb wrote: »

I thought he was being the master of mind games. He said he's not returning to Chelsea. His comments prob annoyed UEFA UND and Madrid but he didn't say anything wrong or offensive to get punished.

Mind games me bollíx. He was brown nosing !

Hidalgo

Eli Manning wrote: »

In fairness Gav without Nani being our ball carrier from Real Madrid attacks Arbeloa was effectively going to be another right midfielder. It was a good change to make but it was fairly obvious.

But Real Madrid were poor over the two legs. Especially Xabi Alonso who was useless for a man of his talent. I don't think Mourinho picked the right team.

I thought Alonso was very good in the 1st leg, poor last night though.
The red card turned the tie, in fairness to Jose, he made a change immediately which further aided Madrid

The_Kew_Tour

Lost respect for Jose? Since when did some of ye have respect for him in first place?

Get out of the yard will ye:pac::pac:

Milkers

Definitely up there with the very best of them but made a tool of himself last night.

Sgt Pepper 64

Milkers wrote: »

Definitely up there with the very best of them but made a tool of himself last night.

By winning and then playing mind games?!
The only ones who made tools of themselves were Fergie, Rio and the rest of the team in that order!

And here he is telling Utd to "man up"

"If anyone can cry, I am the first," he said. "Because my history is not playing against ten men, it is playing with ten men. Playing with ten in the semi-finals, not in the last 16. The best team lost tonight, but we must also say that these things happen in football."

Leiva

Sgt Pepper 64 wrote: »

By winning and then playing mind games?!

If you call camping up someone's ass "mind games" then would hate to see what
he does as a proper wind up.

Hidalgo

Leiva wrote: »

If you call camping up someone's ass "mind games" then would hate to see what
he does as a proper wind up.

Is it brown nosing or brown nosing Fergie that the problem.

What he said was accurate and true

Sgt Pepper 64

Where does it say he said he wasnt going to Chelsea?
because all I can find is this

Asked whether his future in Spain depended on the United tie, he said: "I have no idea and I am not concerned.

Mocha Joe

Leiva wrote: »

If you call camping up someone's ass "mind games" then would hate to see what
he does as a proper wind up.

Why do you care if he was? Why would Mourinho showing a lot of respect for the better team and another manager that was getting the better of him annoy you? What's it got to do with you?

Leiva

Hidalgo wrote: »

Is it brown nosing or brown nosing Fergie that the problem.

What he said was accurate and true

Mocha Joe wrote: »

Why do you care if he was? Why would Mourinho showing a lot of respect for the better team and another manager that was getting the better of him annoy you? What's it got to do with you?

I'm not on about Fergie specifically or the brief interview he gave which was just one thing in a whole arse licking excercise.

I just seen a different side to him last night that I didn't think existed and which was disappointing.

It stunk of a man knowing not to ruin his chances for his next job.
Obviously he knows his time at Madrid is ending very soon.
It showed him up to be a bit of a social chameleon.

He went OTT but with the brown nosing.

Like where was the pompous git Mourinho?
The Mourinho who would punch the air in delight and passion?
The Mourihno who would hush the booing in the crowd?

No, we got a manger who knew not to upset and said before the game I won't be running around cause I have matured.
He also went over to Fergie with his hand over the mouth to obviously tell of his surprise at the red card, moments after it happened - like give me a fücking break.

It was all a bit obvious to me.

eagle eye

Mourinho is normally pretty honest and accurate in interviews. I remember a few weeks ago when he praised Granada after they beat Real and lauded their efforts. I remember against Osasuna when they drew 0-0 and they had lots of chances and he felt his side should have scored one but admitted it is always very hard to score against them.

Those were two pretty accurate statements and last nights was similar I think. Before United had a man sent off they were ahead and they had went and got a draw in Bernabeu in the first leg.

Lovely Bloke

Yeah but, so what?

It's going to be THE biggest job that ever became available in world football once the position becomes vacant, and if he wants the job more power to him.

The fact that it's gotten you people like you so much is a bonus.

The_Kew_Tour

Or maybe he is just being honest.

You never know.

Leiva

TheNinthGate wrote: »

It's going to be THE biggest job that ever became available in world football once the position becomes vacant, and if he wants the job more power to him.

The fact that it's gotten you people like you so much is a bonus.

Never said otherwise and fair play if he wants it.

But go out and be happy to beat the team in front of you,and don't change your complete persona cause you're afraid you will step on a few toes of your potential future employers.

It will be intereteting to see if this "new Mourinho" continues . I doubt it !

Lovely Bloke

I look forward to "Leiva's Mou Weekly".

Chucky the tree

At this stage I'm starting to think he says all this stuff to wind up the Madrid fans and higher-ups. I also wonder if he's doing it as a "prove me wrong" type of motivation for the Real players.

OctavarIan

Mourinho is very good friends with Fergie and he's always praising him (or licking arse if you want to be cynical) in the press. How have people only noticed this last night for the first time? It wasn't a 'new Mourinho' at all.

Rezident

No his teams use way too much dishonesty, diving, cheating, time wasting etc etc. He's very successful but it ain't what you do it's the way that you do it. It's a shame because he's obviously so good strategically and tactically.

googled eyes

I think it's a case that Mouriniho has seen what's gone on at Chelsea with Rafa and he's made the decision not to have a dig at United because he doesn't want that kind of rubbish if he ever goes for the job.

Not a bad idea but I think the reason we all love him is because of his arrogance and pomp

Bodhisopha

If it came to a straight decision between City and United i believe he would choose City.

ionadnapokot

I think he would go for Utd. A team with greater prestige & history, would suit his ego. The challenge of taking over from Fergusson would also appeal to him. it would give him the opportunity to win a couple of premier leagues and european cups in the shadow of Fergusson. Further laying claim to his self title.

Neil3030

There is no debate in my mind, Fergie is the greatest manager of all time. Mourinho has a limited timeframe of impact on a team, and once his "plan A" man management starts to wane, he hits the road. Fergie, on the other hand, has the flexibility to maintain a consistent motivational force on players.

I don't like some of Mourinho's tactics, but I don't like how Fergie treats match officials. I think to be successful in any discipline, it's very hard to also be completely likeable in every facet.

SlickRic

i think his ego (not necessarily in a bad way at all) would dictate that in a straight choice, it'd be Manchester Utd.

to be the man who succeeds Ferguson?

the biggest ask in world football?

he'd relish it.

if he can handle the dressing room war at Real Madrid, and survive, looking like he could win a cup double, then I reckon he's about the only one who has the talent, as well as backbone, to be able to handle the expectations and comparisons that will be put upon whoever is next in the Utd hotseat.

as i say, he'd relish the entire thing.

Kess73

Neil3030 wrote: »

There is no debate in my mind, Fergie is the greatest manager of all time. Mourinho has a limited timeframe of impact on a team, and once his "plan A" man management starts to wane, he hits the road. Fergie, on the other hand, has the flexibility to maintain a consistent motivational force on players.

I don't like some of Mourinho's tactics, but I don't like how Fergie treats match officials. I think to be successful in any discipline, it's very hard to also be completely likeable in every facet.

Very true imo. The only football manager that I can think of during my time following football that managed to combine great success with close to being completely likeable was Bob Paisley.

Different era of course with regards to the media, but you would be hard pushed to find negative comments about the man from ex players, ex managers, supporters who remember his run as manager, pundits, media sources etc etc.

j8wk2feszrnpao

Ferguson is an excellent manager (his domestic record is outstanding), but I can't agree that he is the greatest manager of all time.

Only 2 Champion Leagues wins in 22yrs is a poor record when you consider the teams/players/finances at his disposal in that time.

Mourinho (won Championships in Eng/Spa/Ita and 2 CL's) and Del Bosque (2 CL's, WC, Euro's) are two of the modern managers that I'd easily put ahead of him.

GavRedKing

Eduardo Howling Cylinder wrote: »

Ferguson is an excellent manager (his domestic record is outstanding), but I can't agree that he is the greatest manager of all time.

Only 2 Champion Leagues wins in 22yrs is a poor record when you consider the teams/players/finances at his disposal in that time.

Mourinho (won Championships in Eng/Spa/Ita and 2 CL's) and Del Bosque (2 CL's, WC, Euro's) are two of the modern managers that I'd easily put ahead of him.

Are you forgetting his time with Porto and the UEFA cup and domestic cups he won there?

I wouldnt say Del Bosque and Jose are easily ahead of Fergie but they're certainly right up there with him in a very elite group, I'd throw Ancelotti in that group as well.

The_Kew_Tour

Eduardo Howling Cylinder wrote: »

Ferguson is an excellent manager (his domestic record is outstanding), but I can't agree that he is the greatest manager of all time.

Only 2 Champion Leagues wins in 22yrs is a poor record when you consider the teams/players/finances at his disposal in that time.

Mourinho (won Championships in Eng/Spa/Ita and 2 CL's) and Del Bosque (2 CL's, WC, Euro's) are two of the modern managers that I'd easily put ahead of him.

In last 20 years only Barcelona and Real Madrid have won more Cl then United. Both on 3. United have 2.

Real and Barca have had far more quality at their disposal too when it comes to star players.

The last team to win 2 in a row was Milan in 1990.

I think Ferguson should have maybe 1 more CL, but no more really.

The_Kew_Tour

I don't think you can say any manager is the greatest of all time.

Just like you cant say same for player.

Different eras and so many aspects as to what is at peoples disposal then and now.

Vittorio Pozzo is only manager to win 2 World Cups, but don't see many mention him.

There will never be right answer to those type of questions.

j8wk2feszrnpao

GavRedKing wrote: »

Are you forgetting his time with Porto and the UEFA cup and domestic cups he won there?

No, just didn't need to list everything that they won.

GavRedKing wrote: »

I wouldnt say Del Bosque and Jose are easily ahead of Fergie but they're certainly right up there with him in a very elite group, I'd throw Ancelotti in that group as well.

I'd put their continental achievements above Ferguson, who I just think hasn't done as well as other could have in those 22yrs. Plus time is on Mourinho's side to win more CL's, and Del Bosque could win the next WC.
Ancelotti possibly also belongs up there. Capello has an excellent record as well.

j8wk2feszrnpao

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

In last 20 years only Barcelona and Real Madrid have won more Cl then United. Both on 3. United have 2.

I was comparing managers, not the clubs.

The_Kew_Tour

munstermagic11 wrote: »

I was comparing managers, not the clubs.

Does not matter. The CL requires more then good players. He got it tactically wrong few times, but with bit of luck could easily have won more.

But not everyone will agree I guess.

j8wk2feszrnpao

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Vittorio Pozzo is only manager to win 2 World Cups, but don't see many mention him.

I was trying to use managers that are still coaching, but there are a lot of names that could be include in this discussion.
And yeah, it's a really tough question to answer