Eircom to cut broadband over illegal downloads - READ POST#1 WARNING

axer

Mathiasb wrote: »

What I mean is that the power users who download/upload a lot of "illegal" material will not get caught. It's these users who the Irish MAFIAA want. They'll just get average Joes instead.
But I suppose it's good for some statistics somewhere.

No they would love to get the average joes to stop download as there are far more of them than the heavy downloaders and they are more likely to be put off by any awkwardness downloading. The heavy downloaders will more than likely always find a way around it so better to scrape off the easy targets first.

axer

Yawns wrote: »

My point about that post would be if I was away for 1 - 2 weeks in another country and I had been disconnected, I could claim it wasn't me the customer who downloaded said files.

Doesn't matter, you are responsible for your own network/internet access. The t&c's are agreed so eircom are in their right to disconnect upon breach.

.Moosejam

jor el wrote: »

There will be no case, and eircom don't have to prove anything. They can disconnect any customer at any time for any reason they like, they could already do that long before this happened. Any ISP can do this. There will be no case, no appeal, no nothing.

So you are saying eircom can disconnect me because I'm black ?

axer

Yawns wrote: »

The hotel I worked in before had an IT team in to setup the broadband. They did a ****ty job and didn't restrict anything. It took nearly 2 years before the hotel got the same guys in to restrict some ports. The whole network is wide open to anyone with a little knowledge. Why should business offerign wireless be treated differently than say someone getting hacked. In both scenarios the bill payer doesn't realise what is going on on their network.

Then in that scenario I would assume Eircom would warn them like everyone else and the hotel would act on it or would be expected to but again it is not the same as a private household that does not offer public wireless access.

axer

.Moosejam wrote: »

So you are saying eircom can disconnect me because I'm black ?

For any reason except discrimmination reasons as laid out by law (Equal Status Act 2000) I would assume.

littleoulme

So, will they be listening in on our home phone calls next?

Cabaal

littleoulme wrote: »

So, will they be listening in on our home phone calls next?

:rolleyes:
sure thing why not..

Lads enough of the pointless comments, if you even read up on this you'd know the answer to that pointless comment

Flaregon

they may lose so many that they will start editing ip to save there highest paying customer or lower there prices to get new ones.

So I just lol'ed at the idea of this move by them.

electrogrimey

Are these third party companies cross-referencing all the IP addresses with Eircom customers and then ignoring the rest? So does this mean they can sell the other IP addresses to their respective providers? Offering a provider a cheap way of getting rid of a few users who are hogging bandwith seems tempting, this could spread past Eircom quickly if it works.

witnessmenow

Afaik, and im sure a more knowledgeable person will come along soon , that eircom own a certain range of real world Ip address, its not a secret what these IP addresses are, if you go here it will display your Ip address up the top, now if you go here and enter the address it will tell you who your ISP is, because they own that Ip address

Mathiasb

This is great, since Eircom can't configure their routers properly , and everyone will be using each other's wifi.

electrogrimey

witnessmenow wrote: »

Afaik, and im sure a more knowledgeable person will come along soon , that eircom own a certain range of real world Ip address, its not a secret what these IP addresses are, if you go here it will display your Ip address up the top, now if you go here and enter the address it will tell you who your ISP is, because they own that Ip address

I meant they can sell the information about offending IP addresses, as the third parties are the ones who know who's downloading illegally.

Freemancon

It is not the reponsibility of ISPs to regulate and police the internet in anyway - I know it is a 3rd party passing things on to eircom but they should be passing this along to someone other than the ISP.

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this is a community page....the address forwards to our page.

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electrogrimey

Freemancon wrote: »

It is not the reponsibility of ISPs to regulate and police the internet in anyway - I know it is a 3rd party passing things on to eircom but they should be passing this along to someone other than the ISP.

If care about Network Neutrality I would encourage you to join us on our facebook page.

this is a community page....the address forwards to our page.

http://www.InternetNeutralityIreland.com

I know this is a plug but it is a good plug - Not for Profit

Isn't this the same as saying An Post shouldn't be involved in drug trafficking? An Post will send the sender to the police if the find anything, as An Post can't deal with it themselves. Eircom can however, as disconnecting them will stop the illegal action.

.Moosejam

jor el wrote: »

Stopping the illegal online sharing of your music is something that is enforcable, so they're doing that.

Indeed , thats why the piracy problem got nipped in the bud a few years ago LOL

axer

I think the biggest problem is people fear that there is no appeals process. Maybe Eircom will be giving people a chance to explain first - i guess that is why they are phoning people first to give them a heads up etc.

Freemancon

electrogrimey wrote: »

Isn't this the same as saying An Post shouldn't be involved in drug trafficking? An Post will send the sender to the police if the find anything, as An Post can't deal with it themselves. Eircom can however, as disconnecting them will stop the illegal action.

If An Post happens accross something they pass it to the Garda. They don't open mail and they don't get forced to open mail by businesses afraid that someone is sending illegal copies of music. Businesses have no right to do this and An Post has no right to be taken to court to be forced to do this.

The Garda are not involved in this - that is the problem..

.the IRMA are taking UPC and Eircom to court over this...what they should be doing is handing information to the Garda not Eircom.

zenno

latest news on eircon torrent sharing.

Court action
After three months the effect of the campaign will be assessed and, if necessary, tougher measures including permanent disconnection could be introduced.
"We don't expect many people to get to phase 3 and we are a long way from looking at suspensions," said Dick Doyle, the director general of Irma.
The pilot scheme is the conclusion of a long-running dispute between Eircom and Irma.
It took the ISP to court in January 2009, saying it was not doing enough to protect the intellectual property of its members.
These include EMI, Sony, Universal and Warner.
The High Court ruled in Irma's favour and a challenge, issued by the Irish Data Protection Commissioner, was also over-ruled earlier this year.
Irma plans to take other Irish ISPs to court. UPC, the country's second largest ISP will be in court on 17 June and two smaller ISPs will receive summons later this week.
Mr Doyle believes the tough stance taken by Irma will have implications across Europe.
"The European Parliament has been talking about internet access as a basic human right. It absolutely is not. Intellectual property protection is a right," he said.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/10152623.stm

electrogrimey

Freemancon wrote: »

If An Post happens accross something they pass it to the Garda. They don't open mail and they don't get forced to open mail by businesses afraid that someone is sending illegal copies of music. Businesses have no right to do this and An Post has no right to be taken to court to be forced to do this.

The Garda are not involved in this - that is the problem..

.the IRMA are taking UPC and Eircom to court over this...what they should be doing is handing information to the Garda not Eircom.

Tbh I'd prefer if the Garda were off stopping the weekly murders and not trying to crack down on teenagers downlading Jay-Zs album from their parent's broadband.

Eircom have the ability to quickly stop those sharing illegally, so why shouldn't they do it? Getting disconnected is a much fairer punishment for it then prison too.

Flaregon

zenno wrote: »

latest news on eircon torrent sharing.

Court action
After three months the effect of the campaign will be assessed and, if necessary, tougher measures including permanent disconnection could be introduced.
"We don't expect many people to get to phase 3 and we are a long way from looking at suspensions," said Dick Doyle, the director general of Irma.
The pilot scheme is the conclusion of a long-running dispute between Eircom and Irma.
It took the ISP to court in January 2009, saying it was not doing enough to protect the intellectual property of its members.
These include EMI, Sony, Universal and Warner.
The High Court ruled in Irma's favour and a challenge, issued by the Irish Data Protection Commissioner, was also over-ruled earlier this year.
Irma plans to take other Irish ISPs to court. UPC, the country's second largest ISP will be in court on 17 June and two smaller ISPs will receive summons later this week.
Mr Doyle believes the tough stance taken by Irma will have implications across Europe.
"The European Parliament has been talking about internet access as a basic human right. It absolutely is not. Intellectual property protection is a right," he said.

Its cheaper to not to have to use the lawyers and I see europe steping in at the rate this is going.

Ciaran500

electrogrimey wrote: »

Eircom have the ability to quickly stop those sharing illegally, so why shouldn't they do it? Getting disconnected is a much fairer punishment for it then prison too.

Eircom require no evidence and similar stunts by record companies has resulted in many false positives.

ZeRoY

electrogrimey wrote: »

Are these third party companies cross-referencing all the IP addresses with Eircom customers and then ignoring the rest? So does this mean they can sell the other IP addresses to their respective providers? Offering a provider a cheap way of getting rid of a few users who are hogging bandwith seems tempting, this could spread past Eircom quickly if it works.

These companies have been emailing IP and infringement details to respective Irish ISPs for years now. Now Eircom has to act on them, that is all...

axer

electrogrimey wrote: »

Tbh I'd prefer if the Garda were off stopping the weekly murders and not trying to crack down on teenagers downlading Jay-Zs album from their parent's broadband.

Its a gateway to bigger crimes

ZeRoY

Freemancon wrote: »

.the IRMA are taking UPC and Eircom to court over this...what they should be doing is handing information to the Garda not Eircom.

Maybe in principle - although copyright theft is hardly the same as drug trafficking! - but in reality you cannot have Garda writing up 50 faxes a week..... :pac:

opr

axer wrote: »

Its a gateway to bigger crimes

Opr

Flaregon

opr I already have and it was far to easy.

just got Forza Motorsport 3 and download the free car add-on that comes with it ROFL.

FloatingVoter

Recently downloaded a Matisse, 2 nice Picasso's and a Braque...€10,000,000 o.n.o.

dub45

Scan Man wrote: »

I see in this article that UPC might not be the best choice to change to either, as they're currently in court fighting against having to implement the same rules.

The IRMA is dead set on this seemly. Even though, as has been said, it will do nothing for sales. If downloading is gone, I probably won't bother listening to music as I never used to buy CDs before starting downloading anyway. But I do feel sorry for music lovers who will be screwed by this.

http://www.dmwmedia.com/news/2010/05/24/irish-isp-eircom-debuts-quotthreestrikesquot-policy-filesharing

And you feel sorry for "music lovers" who can potentially no longer get music for free and what about the musicians? Do you not see any irony in your position at all?

FloatingVoter

Just to state the obvious about IRMA's position on "piracy" - a download does not equate to a lost sale. The fact that the music business counts things that way is just a sign of creative accounting, nothing else.

fartmaster

its a good move by eircom with regard to porn and sickfants and also to the thiefing people who download music illegally deal with it