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South Korean Navy Ship Sinking

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  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Probe member summoned on false rumor allegations
    검찰, ‘천안함 좌초설’ 신상철 어제 소환 조사
    May 29, 2010

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    Shin Sang-cheolA former member of the team that investigated the sinking of the Navy warship Cheonan is now under investigation himself for allegedly spreading false rumors about the incident.

    Prosecutors yesterday called in Shin Sang-cheol, who runs the Internet political magazine Seoprise, to answer questions. Shin joined the investigative team of military and civilian experts at the recommendation of the Democratic Party, but the National Defense Ministry asked the National Assembly to replace him for reportedly arousing public mistrust in the probe’s results while rarely joining in the team’s investigation.

    According to the Seoul Central District Prosecutors’ Office, Shin made claims that challenged the team’s conclusion that the Cheonan was sunk by a North Korean torpedo attack. Shin has repeatedly claimed that the sinking was just an accident, and that the South had tampered with evidence to blame the North.

    Navy officials filed a petition on May 18 asking prosecutors to launch a probe, claiming that Shin had defamed the Navy by spreading false information.

    Prosecutors said they were questioning Shin about the grounds for his argument.

    “As a member of the probe team, I made my conclusion based on my experiences and knowledge,” Shin said on his way to questioning yesterday.

    Shin studied oceanography at Korea Maritime University and was commissioned as a Navy second lieutenant. He was discharged from active duty as a first lieutenant after serving on a patrol boat in the Yellow Sea. Following his military service, he worked seven years for shipbuilders. Since 2004, he has worked for the progressive Internet political magazine.

    Shin has often made public his opinions about the Cheonan’s sinking. He once claimed that the ship collided with another vessel. Lately, he has said he believes that the South tampered with evidence by marking the salvaged propulsion unit.

    The marking “1 beon” (“No. 1” in English) written on the shaft was one piece of evidence that led investigators to conclude that the torpedo was a North Korean weapon.

    “I think we marked the 1 beon,” Shin said Wednesday in a lecture he titled “Can we trust the Cheonan probe outcome?

    “The magnified photo of the evidence showed that the marking was written on the rusted surface,” he said. “If it were the North who marked it, the marking should have been written on a smooth surface.”

    The investigation into Shin is not the first of its kind. On May 7, the Central District Prosecutors’ Office began a probe into Park Sun-won, former President Roh Moo-hyun’s secretary for national security, on charges that he spread false information about the sinking. Park, a Northeast Asia energy and security visiting fellow at the Brookings Institution who served as an adviser for a Democratic Party committee on the Cheonan investigation, said in an MBC radio interview in April that the Lee Myung-bak administration was concealing information about the sinking.

    Meanwhile, Prime Minister Chung Un-chan ordered the government to come up with a measure to stop the widespread rumors surrounding the Cheonan’s sinking.
    http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2921120


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,473 ✭✭✭robtri


    You seem to know what you are talking about. Do you think it is feasible that a North Korean sub could beat South Korean and US radar systems?


    Well considering radar is above ground, unless the north korean sub was flying it would have easily evaded radar....
    :D


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    namloc1980 wrote: »

    Also the recovered torpedo that the South showed off is clearly not the same as the alleged schematic of the NK homemade torpedo.

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    Good Call!
    Cheonan Investigators Presented Wrong Torpedo Diagram

    In a blow to conclusions that are already under attack from leftwing politicians and activists, a team of experts that investigated the sinking of the Navy corvette Cheonan have admitted showing a diagram of the wrong North Korean torpedo when they presented their findings at a press conference on May 20.

    When queried by journalists about discrepancies between the CHT-02D torpedo that attacked the Cheonan and the one depicted in the diagram, investigators said Tuesday that the pictured torpedo was of the model PT-97W and that the error was due to "a mix-up by a staff member while preparing for the presentation."
    http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2010/06/30/2010063000944.html

    :D:D

    On the other hand...
    Regarding the numbering "1 beon" written on one of the torpedo's pieces, the investigative team said analysis of the ink confirmed that it was an oil-based magic marker made using the ingredient Solvent Blue 5, and it is trying to secure samples for comparison. The team said Solvent Blue 5 is commonly used in magic markers, which North Korea may have imported, but the marker cannot be traced to the North with certainty.

    Case closed I'd say:D

    Now anyone remember what Clinton had to say at the time?

    Think false-flag attacks don't happen today? think again.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭Di0genes


    Good Call!

    http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2010/06/30/2010063000944.html

    :D:D

    On the other hand...



    Case closed I'd say:D

    Yeah you picked up a website that is proud of the fact that top gear's new car for star in a reasonably priced car is a cee'd

    http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2010/06/30/2010063001173.html

    Six years ago the popular BBC car show "Top Gear" called the Hyundai Accent subcompact "worse than a refrigerator on wheels." But now the Jeremy Clarkson-led program has come round to Kia's compact Cee'd, choosing it as its top "reasonably priced car."

    Sunday's edition said the Cee'd demonstrates "amazing performance for its price." Celebrities appearing on Top Gear will now test their driving skills with the Cee'd, so the car will make further appearances on the show.

    In 2004, "Top Gear" said the Accent is "worse than a cheap lunch" and a refrigerator on wheels is a better ride. Top Gear called the Accent an "accident" and its host actually destroyed one. At the time, the Hyundai-Kia Automotive Group considered suing "Top Gear."

    I really don't think a website that is incapable of spotting profoundly obvious sarcasm isn't going to be the best source for complex news.


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Di0genes wrote: »
    Yeah you picked up a website that is proud of the fact that top gear's new car for star in a reasonably priced car is a cee'd

    http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2010/06/30/2010063001173.html




    I really don't think a website that is incapable of spotting profoundly obvious sarcasm isn't going to be the best source for complex news.

    :rolleyes:

    The Chosun Ilbo (lit. Korea Daily News) is one of the major newspapers in South Korea. With a daily circulation of over 2,200,000, the Chosun Ilbo has undertaken annual inspections since Audit Bureau of Circulations was established in 1993
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    Chosun.com is ranked as the No.1 Korean news website by the Internet survey company Rankey.com. Foreign language versions of the Chosun Ilbo are published on the Internet in English, Chinese, and Japanese.

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    Next?....


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭Di0genes


    :rolleyes:

    The Chosun Ilbo (lit. Korea Daily News) is one of the major newspapers in South Korea. With a daily circulation of over 2,200,000, the Chosun Ilbo has undertaken annual inspections since Audit Bureau of Circulations was established in 1993

    And "The Sun" is the best selling paper in the UK, does that mean it's the most accurate? best?
    (...)
    Chosun.com is ranked as the No.1 Korean news website by the Internet survey company Rankey.com.

    Who?
    Foreign language versions of the Chosun Ilbo are published on the Internet in English, Chinese, and Japanese.

    Wiki-


    And?
    Next?....


    Well lets tart

    [QUOTE-bold by you]The team said Solvent Blue 5 is commonly used in magic markers, which North Korea may have imported, [/QUOTE]


    Is the article trying to say that Blue Magic Magic Markers are some kind of forensic clue? They don't have the kind of things in Korea I have dozens of in my office?


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Di0genes wrote: »
    And "The Sun" is the best selling paper in the UK, does that mean it's the most accurate? best?

    To be honest I couldn't give a **** about the source. It is the content that is important. I really don't care if they write articles about Jeremy Clarkson, it has no connection at all. The English language won an Asian award just last month for their reporting. http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2010/05/28/2010052800973.html


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    namloc1980 wrote: »

    Also the recovered torpedo that the South showed off is clearly not the same as the alleged schematic of the NK homemade torpedo.

    northkoreatorpedoplans.jpg

    ACTtorpedo.jpg

    Good Call!
    Cheonan Investigators Presented Wrong Torpedo Diagram

    In a blow to conclusions that are already under attack from leftwing politicians and activists, a team of experts that investigated the sinking of the Navy corvette Cheonan have admitted showing a diagram of the wrong North Korean torpedo when they presented their findings at a press conference on May 20.

    When queried by journalists about discrepancies between the CHT-02D torpedo that attacked the Cheonan and the one depicted in the diagram, investigators said Tuesday that the pictured torpedo was of the model PT-97W and that the error was due to "a mix-up by a staff member while preparing for the presentation."
    http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2010/06/30/2010063000944.html

    :D:D

    On the other hand...
    Regarding the numbering "1 beon" written on one of the torpedo's pieces, the investigative team said analysis of the ink confirmed that it was an oil-based magic marker made using the ingredient Solvent Blue 5, and it is trying to secure samples for comparison. The team said Solvent Blue 5 is commonly used in magic markers, which North Korea may have imported, but the marker cannot be traced to the North with certainty.

    Case closed I'd say:D

    Now anyone remember what Clinton had to say at the time?

    Think false-flag attacks don't happen today? think again.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭Di0genes


    So a mistake in a presentation is proof of a false flag. You think if they planned a complex plan to blame north Korea theyd have worked out those kinks.


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