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"Accurising" a factory Remington .223
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25-05-2010 12:31pm#1
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How about the .204 i got built by MR Greene .Half the weight of the .22-250 shooting 1" groups at 450yardsTackleberrywho wrote: »Seeing better things from Fergal White:D
1 Ireland 1000 yard record to date in 2010, more to follow.
I have seen amazing creations done in his workshop, he is gifted at his job.
I also have posted several pictures of his stuff, a sub 1/2" group @300metres with a fellow boards members Remington VSSF rebarreled with a Trueflite barrel and glass bedded, The remington VSSF comes factory Pillar bedded.
.And thats 39gr factory ammo 
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tomcat220t wrote: »How about the .204 i got built by MR Greene .Half the weight of the .22-250 shooting 1" groups at 450yards.And thats 39gr factory ammo .
Ah well you may be a better shot than Mr customrifle lol
As I said Fergals Rifle had a record broken in MNSCI a few weeks back with a great group @ 1000 yards, and it was as windy as FCUK that day as I was there and shot on the 100 and 200!
That Officially is Ireland's record 1000 yard record as it was in a competition with independent adjudicators, it was almost a world record @ 800
All I can say Fergal's work is top class, you have great praise for Mr Green, at least the OP knows of 2 custom rifle builders and he can make his own mind up.
Fergal has a very short waiting list as when he gets a job he does not stop until it is finished, he often works through the night.
I don't know what the other guys turn around is on a rifle0 -
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Lads, I do believe we're moving well away from the information requested by the O/P, which was in relation to:Can anybody recommend anything else (short of new barrel and all the other bells and whistles..) that would improve performance without breaking the bank?
The O/P now has the names of two highly recommended and referenced gunsmiths, a Mr. J. Greene and a Mr. F. White. Both of whom come with glowing reference from here and elsewhere. So I'd suggest that the O/P pops along to meet both these gentlemen, discusses his project, confirms a price and timescale, and then makes his decision on that basis.
Despite some of the earlier posts, it's not an "either or" situation. And this apparent "tit-for-tat" between the Fergal W. Supporters Club versus the John G. Fans is becoming unbecoming:rolleyes:, does no favours for either professional gunsmith, and I would very much doubt that it is something either John (who I don't know) and Fergal (who I do) would approve of being done, even with the best-will, on either of their behalfs.
Having met Fergal White and having a lot of respect for him and his work, I think I could be pretty sure that he may not be too happy to have his work (albeit with the best of intentions) always being talked about so often, by particular posters in particular (:D;)). He seems to me to be a much more private lad than that and would probably much rather have his work "speak for itself".
People can be put off by a somewhat over-enthusiastic, albeit very well intentioned, "over-egging of the pudding". Yes, Fergal's work is very good and I'd have no hesitation in recommending him, but not at the expense of doing-down another gunsmith nor through an over-enthusiastic and somewhat constant "testimonialisation" of his work.
I'm all for recommending lads who do a good job - but perhaps the message might be better recieved, if it was more subtle and perhaps less forceful in its expression. Just a thought.;)
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If "records" are to be quoted in support of anyone, then the facts should be confirmed first. Thank SD308 for clarifying the 1000yd result. Tack, please be more sure of your facts, when referencing so-called national records in support of Fergal - Misleading information does the man no favours IMHO.
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Posting photos of other peoples rifles is not something that, IMHO, should be done (if you do not have their expressed permission to do so) - I'd hate to think that, if and when I hand my TRG over to Fergal for some upgrading and TLC, tack will be taking pics of her and posting them on here for all to see, without my knowledge or permission.
I am surprised that Fergal allowed the photos to be taken within his workshop, as I know he is respectful of his clients property and is rightly very careful about security, and I suspect neither his permission or the permission of the rifle owners was sought or obtained.
If I'm wrong and such permission was obtained to photograph in the workshop, I'll stand corrected and apologise in advance - Maybe tack could clarify this?
This is not a personal dig at tack or anyone else, but just my humble opinion. And hope no one will take offence by my post and we can all get nicely back on topic.0 -
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I understand completely dC,Lads, I do believe we're moving well away from the information requested by the O/P, which was in relation to:
Correct
The O/P now has the names of two highly recommended and referenced gunsmiths, a Mr. J. Greene and a Mr. F. White. Both of whom come with glowing reference from here and elsewhere. So I'd suggest that the O/P pops along to meet both these gentlemen, discusses his project, confirms a price and timescale, and then makes his decision on that basis. I should have said that...
Despite some of the earlier posts, it's not an "either or" situation. And this apparent "tit-for-tat" between the Fergal W. Supporters Club versus the John G. Fans is becoming unbecoming:rolleyes:, does not favours for either professional gunsmith, and I would very much doubt that it is something either John (who I don't know) and Fergal (who I do) would approve of being done, even with the best-will, on either of their behalfs.
No I don't think Either would like a who's better craic going on, they both are good
Having met Fergal White and having a lot of respect for him and his work, I think I could be pretty sure that he may not be too happy to have his work (albeit with the best of intentions) always being talked about so often, by particular posters in particular (:D;)). He seems to me to be a much more private lad than that and would probably much rather have his work "speak for itself". That is true, it does.
People can be put off by a somewhat over-enthusiastic, albeit very well intentioned, "over-egging of the pudding". Yes, Fergal's work is very good and I'd have no hesitation in recommending him, but not at the expense of doing-down another gunsmith nor through an over-enthusiastic and somewhat constant "testimonialisation" of his work. Nobody will buy hornady, nightforce, either as I constantly talk about them too. But if you had to learn to shoot with some of the crap scopes i had, you would sing NF's praises, same if the only 6.5 ammo you could afford was S&B
I'm all for recommending lads who do a good job - but perhaps the message might be better recieved, if it was more subtle and perhaps less forceful in its expression. Just a thought.;)
Two other points:
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If "records" are to be quoted in support of anyone, then the facts should be confirmed first. Thank SD308 for clarifying the 1000yd result. Tack, please be more sure of your facts, when referencing so-called national records in support of Fergal - Misleading information does the man no favours IMHO.
I have already apologised for this in previous post. I can only apologise for that, Stephen told me that before, I don't know why i did not remember, too much numbers in my head at the moment for other reasons
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Posting photos of other peoples rifles is not something that, IMHO, should be done (if you do not have their expressed permission to do so) - I'd hate to think that, if and when I hand my TRG over to Fergal (fergal did not know I took the pics)for some upgrading and TLC, tack will be taking pics of her and posting them on here for all to see, without my knowledge or permission. Never would I post a pic of anybodies rifles if I thought they did not want them posted
I am surprised that Fergal allowed the photos to be taken within his workshop(he did not know they were taken, I took them with phone cam), as I know he is respectful of his clients property and is rightly very careful about security, and I suspect neither his permission or the permission of the rifle owners was sought or obtained.I was taking several pics of my own property that night, When I say the rifle I knew a good friend of mine owned I said This is something else, I thought it would break records and I would have a pic of it before it happened. The owner passes no regards to boards but he laughed when some thought they knew what it was.
If I'm wrong and such permission was obtained to photograph in the workshop, I'll stand corrected and apologise in advance - Maybe tack could clarify this?
This is not a personal dig at tack or anyone else, but just my humble opinion.
I seem to be the only member of the fanclub. I'm a bit of an entrepreneur myself and love to see new fresh things coming out of this country in these tough times. Equally I would love to see Irish shooters on the Top of a world stage.
I should not always post about Fergal, I have mentioned John green and he did a fine job of Dwighets rifle
I just see it as unfair as fergal never seemed to get a mention when he does good work. Even though he is flat out doing it. I have spent thousands on rifles down the years as AFAIKnew at the time riflecraft was the only place to get work done, after the hassle I had importing a 6.5 Swedish Mauser from UK I had said no way UK.
Both Pics of rifles posted were 1 of a good friend of mine, the second was left in for me to take a look at, I took a pic of it for my reference in selecting barrels. I did not say "Can i post a pic of your rifle that you left in for me to look at", but the fact it was left in for me to look at; I thought maybe incorrectly implied consent as no caveats were given.
The reason I posted that pic was it is almost the same rifle as OP has asked about with a custom job, I wanted to base my opinion with fact as I have made mistakes before ref the grouping, so a pic i thought was the best way to show op what it could look like.
I will refrain from anymore posts for a while on custom work.
I will stay with Hunting as that was my normal posting place, custom work is new and exciting for me, and yes I did get carried away and maybe go overboard.
I reply to often to threads that i feel in hind sight i should have bit my lip and said nothing, i just can't bear to see people constantly go outside ireland for engineering work when we have some of the best skilled workers in the world.
Now before this turns into an autobiography I'll finish on that.0 -
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This is where your self promotion of another gunsmith goes to pot ,bud.You havent had a custom rifle built from this man ,yet:oThe irish record group size you quoted was not accurate:o.The above rifle details are not accurate ,eitherTackleberrywho wrote: »1 Ireland 1000 yard record to date in 2010, more to follow.
I have seen amazing creations done in his workshop, he is gifted at his job.
I also have posted several pictures of his stuff, a sub 1/2" group @300metres with a fellow boards members Remington VSSF rebarreled with a Trueflite barrel and glass bedded, The remington VSSF comes factory Pillar bedded.
.There is times where i read your posts that i began to think it was Fergal White himself,sorry 
.I mean this in the best way possible but if Fergal can harrow what other gunsmiths in ireland have ploughed id be really impressed;). 0 -
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