The 'home-grown' rule and your club

eagle eye

Just thought this would be a good thread to start to see the state of clubs.

I'm a Blackburn Rovers fan and we have currently 15 players who are ineligible for the 8 qualifying spots in the 25 man squad. We have three players who seen a lot of time last season who are eligible outside the 25 man squad too and about 7 players in total who have played in the Premier League who are available outside the 25 man squad.

Just wondering what the situation is with other clubs?

Its going to bring more youth to the Premier League for sure with the best under 21 players now very valuable commodities as they can be used outside the 25. It also adds some value to those who qualify for the 8 necessary in the 25 man squad.

Its interesting to know this stuff as it is going to have a major impact on transfers as I'm sure there are clubs who are very close to their full capacity of 17 ineligible players. Outside of Man City, Chelsea, Tottenham, Arsenal, possibly Villa and maybe United I can't see clubs carrying players who won't be eligible to play between transfer windows.

Mitch Connor

based on the current squad. United have 26 senior players that would have to be registered (I know the limit is 25) with either 11 or 12 of them being home grown. United are fairly well off.

Fuzzy_Dunlop

Think Arsenal have something like 22 senior players to register and 13/14 homegrown at the moment so no problems there.

eagle eye

Lads its not about how many are eligible as much as how many are not eligible.

eagle eye

Mitch Connor wrote: »

based on the current squad. United have 26 senior players that would have to be registered (I know the limit is 25) with either 11 or 12 of them being home grown. United are fairly well off.

I think with United they only have 11 that are not homegrown so they are in great shape.

One player that greatly confuses me with this new rule is Owen Hargreaves, he doesn't qualify under the homegrown rule but he is an England International.

Xavi6

eagle eye wrote: »

I think with United they only have 11 that are not homegrown so they are in great shape.

Van der Sar
Vidic
Ferdinand
Evra
Hargreaves
Nani
Carrick
Rooney
Berbatov
Owen
Kuszczak
Park
Valencia
Anderson

is 14 unless I'm mistaken?

Fuzzy_Dunlop

eagle eye wrote: »

I think with United they only have 11 that are not homegrown so they are in great shape.

You seem to be putting more influence on the home-grown bit then the 25 man limit. I think most clubs will be able to make up the home-grown eligibility, but the limit on players over the age of 21 will make more of a difference.

whatawaster

Xavi6 wrote: »

Van der Sar
Vidic
Ferdinand
Evra
Hargreaves
Nani
Carrick
Rooney
Berbatov
Owen
Kuszczak
Park
Valencia
Anderson

is 14 unless I'm mistaken?

Rooney, Ferdinand and Carrick are all home-grown.

Xavi6

whatawaster wrote: »

Rooney, Ferdinand and Carrick are all home-grown.

Ahhh I thought it was registered with the club for 36 months prior to turning 21, not the association.

Makes it pretty handy so.

JPA

Xavi6 wrote: »

Van der Sar
Vidic
Ferdinand
Evra
Hargreaves
Nani
Carrick
Rooney
Berbatov
Owen
Kuszczak
Park
Valencia
Anderson

is 14 unless I'm mistaken?

"The definition of home grown is trained for three years under the age of 21 by somebody in the English and Welsh professional system.

Fuzzy_Dunlop

Xavi6 wrote: »

Van der Sar
Vidic
Ferdinand
Evra
Hargreaves
Nani
Carrick
Rooney
Berbatov
Owen
Kuszczak
Park
Valencia
Anderson

is 14 unless I'm mistaken?

Why wouldn't Ferdinand, Rooney, Owen and Carrick be home-grown? They just have to have been at any english or welsh club for 3 years before they turn 21, doesn't have to be the club they're currently playing for.

whatawaster

So, is it only 17 non-home grown players allowed?

Liverpool have:

Reina
Cavalieri
Agger
Skrtel
Kygriakos
Mascherano
Lucas
Aquilani
Babel
Benayoun
Kuyt
Maxi
Torres

giving us 13 ineligible as home-grown (not sure about Babel?), and plenty of breathing space to bring in a couple more.

N'Gog
Pacheco
Kelly
Shelvey
Insua
Gerrard
Carragher
Johnson
Ayala

9 players who could well get first team action next season who are all eligible

In other words, i don't think this rule is going to affect anyone. And all it's going to encourage is the increased poaching of young kids from abroad.

101001

if they are aged 21 does that mean they are under 21? As that would make NGog and Insua elligible. But having not played for 3 years before 21, NGog anyway, possiby insua, does that make them inelligible for 2011/12?

eagle eye

101001 wrote: »

if they are aged 21 does that mean they are under 21? As that would make NGog and Insua elligible. But having not played for 3 years before 21, NGog anyway, possiby insua, does that make them inelligible for 2011/12?

Anybody who turns 21 in the new season is elligible but anybody who turned 21 before then is not eligible.

So lets say a player turned 21 on the 31st April 2010 he will not be eligible as under age.

I don't know the actual date that the 2010/2011 season begins, but anybody who turns 21 on or after that date is eligible as under 21.

Degag

101001 wrote: »

if they are aged 21 does that mean they are under 21? As that would make NGog and Insua elligible. But having not played for 3 years before 21, NGog anyway, possiby insua, does that make them inelligible for 2011/12?

No, if they are 21 or under on the 31st August they do not have to be registered.

MementoMori

on the premier league website it said anyone who turned 21 this year. seems kinda odd but it would mean both Insua and Dave would be part of unlimiteds for pool. can't post link. for Liverpool there should be no major probs. babel will be part of the 17 ineligibles.

Neil3030

Villa are screwed.

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Marshall

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Young

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Davies

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Collins----Warnock

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Young

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Milner

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Delph

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Downing

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Agbonlahor----Heskey

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Parish
Shorey
Clarke
Reo-Coker
Sidwell
Albrighton
Delfouneso

101001

Edit: no need for that now momento mori answered that question... obviously took me 7 minutes to word it... ooops.

one more thing can a player be elligible at 21 then the next season be inelligible because he's not there 36 months?

When does the 36 months apply from.... sign date to birt date or sign date to end of last elligible season. Read the FIFA and Uefa rulings the seem to be differernt. Need to find the FA ruling

MementoMori

can't post the linkbut go to the premier league website and they have a fairly detailed article on it

The Volt

Everton are comfortable. Home Grown are:

Carlo Nash
Iain Turner
John Ruddy
Tony Hibbert
Leighton Baines
Phil Jagelka
Tim Cahill
Phil Neville
Dan Gosling
Leon Osman
Victor Anichebe
James Vaughan

The Seventeen

Tim Howard
Josept Yobo
Silvan Distin
John Heitinga
Seamus Coleman possibly
Diniyar Bilyaletdinov
Mikel Arteta
Steven Pienaar
Marouane Fellaini
Anton Peterlin
Louis Saha
Yakubu

U-21 so exempt

Shane Duffy
Shkodran Mustafi
Jack Rodwell
James Wallace
Kieran Agard
Jose Baxter
Cody Arnoux

101001

tracked down that article http://www.premierleague.com/page/AcademicsPL/0,,12306~1804959,00.html

answered my question too

of three entire seasons or 36 months prior to his 21st birthday (or the end of the Season during which he turns 21).‬‪