Working in the Black Market

Mr Benevolent

I always offer to pay cash in had and if I can get cash in hand I always take it. It pains me to give a penny to the government.

With respect, that's why we're in this mess in the first place. However, there is an argument to say that because everyone has to spend money, spending generates VAT and duty revenues, so thy're still paying tax. Hell, even dole recipients pay 21% tax.

sponsoredwalk

ejmaztec wrote: »

What's that about?

sponsoredwalk wrote: »

As far as I'm aware with small jobs it is legal in that they give written receipts instead of through the office, I could be wrong I just remember hearing that & have no source,
anybody interested should google or ring their ombudsman...

ejmaztec

sponsoredwalk wrote: »

http://www.google.com/search?q=As+far+as+I%27m+aware+with+small+jobs+it+is+legal+in+that+they+give+written+receipts+instead+of+through+the+office&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-ie:IE-SearchBox&ie=&oe=

No point googling something that's in gibberish.

Indubitable

I don't really care as long as they aren't on the dole at the same time. I wouldn't mind if it was every now and then on the dole just not a daily/weekly thing.

Mimikyu

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Mike 1972

TBH if someone is doing the odd bit of casual work as a second job and are not paying tax its probably as much down to not wanting the hastle of dealing with the paperwork than actual greed on their part.

And tax evasion is not necessairly the only possible motivation for a preference for cash. Some people just dont like dealing with banks (theres quite a lot of it about lately) and make a point of doing so as little as possible.

vonnie10

I've worked as a nanny for cash in hand and i don't feel guilty about it. I'm a college student and she paid me peanuts for the work that i had to do so if i paid tax out of it it would not have been worth my while at all. I don't see anything wrong with doing an odd job here and there for cash in hand but if someone is earning a good living out of it then its wrong cos these people will be availing of a lot of state run services such as schools, gardai hospitals etc. But i don't see anything wrong with a bit of cash in hand work to help people along if they are on the dole cos i'd say it would be near impossible to keep a family going on the dole alone . But i don't support people taking advantage of the system

biko

It really comes down to amounts and whether the person evading tax is working or on the dole.

Working and fixing cars on the side for less than 100 a week = fine imo.
On the dole and fixing cars on the side for more than 100 a week = not fine imo.
*numbers may have to be adjusted but you get my point

TheZohanS

topper75 wrote: »

Given the magical utopian society our government have provided for us, you know what, I'll take my chances.

Give me back my income tax, all my VAT and my PRSI; I'll go private on health and get my kids some privately contracted teachers. If they don't deliver I'll hire some better ones..

Right you can have all your taxes, VAT and PRSI back.

So how do you drive down to the shops to buy groceries? You can't use the roads as the taxes you've paid went towards those....and that's just the start of it.

Indubitable

TheZohan wrote: »

Right you can have all your taxes, VAT and PRSI back.

So how do you drive down to the shops to buy groceries? You can't use the roads as the taxes you've paid went towards those....and that's just the start of it.

Online shopping?

ScumLord

Confab wrote: »

With respect, that's why we're in this mess in the first place. However, there is an argument to say that because everyone has to spend money, spending generates VAT and duty revenues, so thy're still paying tax. Hell, even dole recipients pay 21% tax.

It has nothing to do with this mess we're in. We're talking about small one off jobs where the bureaucracy of taxing the job would probably cost more than the tax they took in.

The reason we're in this mess is because of the government and bankers and your trying to guilt people who are keeping a few euros out of their coffers so they can't throw it into the magical bank debt that we owe to banks that have no money yet are loaning us money to bail themselves out.

People are dead right to keep this government out of their lives as much as possible, I begrudge giving the government any tax money, I think it's a complete waste of time.

jester77

It all ends up going towards tax anyway. If I pay someone €100 cash in hand for a job, he will spend that €100 on food, supplies, etc. Some of that will go towards tax. And these suppliers will use the remaining to pay their suppliers and staff, which also leads to more of that €100 going towards tax... and so on the chain continues until the government eventually have the €100... so it's a no win-situation either way and the government are laughing their way to the bank.... oh wait

enda1

Another good reason why cash should be gotten rid of in society!

The amount of fraud having to be covered by the PAYE worker is shocking. I wonder what percentage of their tax goes on covering the holes in the VAT, income tax and dodgy social welfare payments.

I hate the justification that "I'm only taking from the government". Well who the fuck do you think the government then takes from?

Ridiculous.

enda1

jester77 wrote: »

It all ends up going towards tax anyway. If I pay someone €100 cash in hand for a job, he will spend that €100 on food, supplies, etc. Some of that will go towards tax. And these suppliers will use the remaining to pay their suppliers and staff, which also leads to more of that €100 going towards tax... and so on the chain continues until the government eventually have the €100... so it's a no win-situation either way and the government are laughing their way to the bank.... oh wait

I think you need to read up again on how national economies work.

TheZohanS

kingofthe3rdyrs wrote: »

Online shopping?

Online shopping, online working, online everything?

He won't be able to use any vehicle again on a public road and he wont be able to use public transport as that's subsidised by....our taxes.

And with regards to private heath insurance; part of medical bills for non-elective medical treatments is paid for by public coffers. The health insurance is a top up.

K-9

ejmaztec wrote: »

Each time a cash in hand job takes place, a little puppy dies.:(

She will not take cheques or laser. Awh right!

bonzos

There is not much incentive for your average householder not to pay cash...EG. Tradesman comes into your house to do a job costing €100,you have choice for paying him €100(cash) or €113.5(inc. VAT)..most people cant claim the VAT back so you paying €13.5 extra! Money is tight at the moment for most people(unless your cocooned from reality like most of our politicians who earn €100k+ a year)so you cant blame people for asking/paying cash.

Eoin

Well, I would expect to pay less than €100 if they're not putting it through the books.

Abrasax

eoin wrote: »

Tax evasion is absolutely endemic in Greece. It's not taboo or even frowned upon.

The Greeks fiddled. Athens burned.