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House prices still too high!
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fliball is not my colleague, and I did not try to back anyone up. What I tried and succeeded in was to refute your knowledge of nature and scope of IT in Ireland. Get over it.
Nope, I was replying to examples of companies from fliball before you jumped in. You forgot HP in your major list as well. See how you are wrong by your own logic?
Yes. So the point being...?
Why push it as a big employer?You probably didn't, that's why I say I'm giving you a taste of your own medicine to illustrate how YOU make an argument by twisting words. How does it feel?
You make generalisations, a difference there.I am not sure. I have never looked at that price range and I haven't lived in those areas since I was a student. But I think it's the definition of average that matters as well. In most of Europe, "average" buyer in a capital city cannot afford a 4-bed detached house in a nice leafy area and lives in an apartment in the city. I think the expectation of the "average" person sometimes need to be double-checked here but that's another debate.
Here you go again. Since when did an average buy seek to buy a 4bed in a leafy area?fliball123 wrote: »Eh I lived there for a while aswell but it would considered a so called druggy area I have often heard south side toffs given the whole ah stay away from Finglas...I like Finglas and the people ...Just making the point to you be careful what you wish for with regard to a nice area as I say there are neally always bad apples in every barrell
Yet again, you not reading the posts. A safe area is required, not specifically a 'nice area'.
There are many safe areas in Dublin, they are still overpriced.0 -
In all fairness lads these discussions as enraged as I get when Gurramok tries to shimmy out of something
they need to be aired there is so much kept from people its unreal could you imagine if some poor feck now maybe 100k in negitive equity if he knew about the boards and new that the whole house price issue was hanging over a precipise I gareentee you that these boards have saved some poor fecks a lot of money and agro and if I am beligerint in my beliefs they are mine I would never force anyone or advise anyone to do anything out of the norm at the monent the norm is not to buy a house and I wouldnt advise anyone to buy for another 12 months.. 0 -
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fliball123 wrote: »Are you an Estate Agent
if he was an EA he would be trying to convince you to try and get 10X your wages
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yes it's a forum and is designed for people jumping in at any stage. If you want a private conversation there's a different place for it.Nope, I was replying to examples of companies from fliball before you jumped in.
No I did not forget HP, most of it falls in "manufacturing" which is rapidly losing in Ireland as I mentioned. The exception to that is their consultancy operation which is probably still going relatively ok (but I don't have any up to date info on that). I fail to see how that make me wrong by my own logic, unless again your cognitive disorder and selective reading skills are at play.You forgot HP in your major list as well. See how you are wrong by your own logic?Why push it as a big employer?
It employs 200 people, is increasing to 250, and I used it as an example of buoyancy at the high-end of IT market in Ireland.
:P do I now....!!!!!You make generalisations, a difference there.Here you go again. Since when did an average buy seek to buy a 4bed in a leafy area?
Yet again, you not reading the posts. A safe area is required, not specifically a 'nice area'.
There are many safe areas in Dublin, they are still overpriced.
I read your post very well. I do not have any personal knowledge of all parts of Lucan, Blanchardstown, Clondalkin and the like but I'm sure a lot of those are ok, as well as plenty of apartments nearer the city.0 -
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fliball123 wrote: »In all fairness lads these discussions as enraged as I get when Gurramok tries to shimmy out of something they need to be aired there is so much kept from people its unreal could you imagine if some poor feck now maybe 100k in negitive equity if he knew about the boards and new that the whole house price issue was hanging over a precipise I gareentee you that these boards have saved some poor fecks a lot of money and agro and if I am beligerint in my beliefs they are mine I would never force anyone or advise anyone to do anything out of the norm at the monent the norm is not to buy a house and I wouldnt advise anyone to buy for another 12 months..
Shimmy out of what fliball?
You said in your first post which was going good until you dropped this bombshellfliball wrote:there is value for money out there
I challenged this as having no basis especially in Dublin and you reply saying its like that in NY, then you say its based on IT (with backup examples from MuffinsDa).
You are contradictory is an understatement.
If there is 'value out there' which signifies the bottom, why should someone hold off until another 12months?0 -
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yes it's a forum and is designed for people jumping in at any stage. If you want a private conversation there's a different place for it.
It would of been handy if you can actually follow the conversation.No I did not forget HP, most of it falls in "manufacturing" which is rapidly losing in Ireland as I mentioned. The exception to that is their consultancy operation which is probably still going relatively ok (but I don't have any up to date info on that). I fail to see how that make me wrong by my own logic, unless again your cognitive disorder and selective reading skills are at play.
Its an employer with a few hundred in R&D/services. You said I was wrong not to list Oracle, SAP etc, you are wrong on your own logic by failing to mention other major IT employers.It employs 200 people, is increasing to 250, and I used it as an example of buoyancy at the high-end of IT market in Ireland.
Its a welcome alright, it just ain't big enough to hire the entire computer science class out of Trinity just yetI read your post very well. I do not have any personal knowledge of all parts of Lucan, Blanchardstown, Clondalkin and the like but I'm sure a lot of those are ok, as well as plenty of apartments nearer the city.
Lets see. Lucan has poor quality housing but would not turn it down. Still too pricey for an average buyer pitching at 205k. Blanch has good and bad, same high pricing as Lucan for a safe area.
Clondalkin, rather live near the village. Even higher pricing here than Blanch.
All 3 areas out of reach for that average buyer with 205k spending power in his pocket.
Apartments near the city, any in mind?fliball123 wrote: »Gurramok has gone quiet he must of bound a 7 bed in Foxrock for 10k good man
Nah, i'm still here to counter your arguments. Don't worry about that 0 -
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with backup examples from MuffinsDa).
Once more, seeing that you are unable to read or comprehend, I was not backing anyone up, I was refuting YOUR point and pointing out at your lack of knowledge.
I can see why you keep repeating it though: to muddy the water by linking me to him (seeing that perhaps some of his argument is also weak) and that way perhaps no one notice how little you know. But it doesn't work
Otherwise, if that's what you genuinely believe after all discussions then no wonder you are so wrong in other subjects - if you can pick up something as simple and straighforward as this!0 -
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Once more, seeing that you are unable to read or comprehend, I was not backing anyone up, I was refuting YOUR point and pointing out at your lack of knowledge.
I can see why you keep repeating it though: to muddy the water by linking me to him (seeing that perhaps some of his argument is also weak) and that way perhaps no one notice how little you know. But it doesn't work
Otherwise, if that's what you genuinely believe after all discussions then no wonder you are so wrong in other subjects - if you can pick up something as simple and straighforward as this!I really have to doubt your claim of working in IT if you lack the basic logical skill of being able to differentiate between "for example" and "this is a fully inclusive list". FYI, I used the former. And where did I say you were wrong not to list those exactly?!? I listed them as examples of employers who do have lots of R&D and services.
God, your posts are getting cyclical without any logic of skill.
Here:fliball wrote:Come on Gurramok so Ireland has not been a nation to benefit from the dotcom and then the tech boom. The big companies all have or had bases here Intel, Microsoft, IBM, Dell, Compaq, Gateway, EA have just opened up there somewhere aswell.me wrote:How do you define IT? Intel, Microsoft, IBM, Dell, Compaq, Gateway, EA mostly have/had manufacturing operations here with a flake of R&D and services thrown in.(eg: EA)
By managing to list extra companies without asking me first, you think you have superior knowledge of IT.
Fyi pal, I was not asked for a list. I was responding to the examples that your colleague fliball was listing.
We can have a race of listing IT companys all night if you wish to be that pedantic.
It does not prove one iota to justify high house prices in Dublin.0 -
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fliball123 wrote: »How do you know this??? not digging just would like to know
A recent European recommendation0
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