Sinn Féin office pipe-bombed.

dlofnep

A Sinn Féin office in Down was pipe-bombed on Friday. It has been claimed by a local loyalist group, which have vandelised Irish language street signs over the past few months. This is clearly an attack on those who wish to move forward with devoution and the peace process.

The pipe bomb only partially exploded - but the Office itself is right next to an Oil heating business and near a school. Luckily, it didn't go off fully.

Kev_ps3

Loyalist animals still at it:mad:

owenc

Well, thats all bad but is it anything equal to the amount of regular bombs that the ira do, sure didn't they bomb a police station in derry like this week?

PomBear

these type of people are small time, you'd probably get more powerful explosives from the travellers around Halloween

Kev_ps3

owenc wrote: »

Well, thats all bad but is it anything equal to the amount of regular bombs that the ira do, sure didn't they bomb a police station in derry like this week?

yeah lets talk about the Irish side instead
:rolleyes:

owenc

PomBear wrote: »

these type of people are small time, you'd probably get more powerful explosives from the travellers around Halloween

i'm sure you would!:rolleyes:

owenc

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

yeah lets talk about the Irish side instead
:rolleyes:

I'm just saying the ira nearly have a bomb every week, they have a bomb like once a year or something.

dlofnep

owenc wrote: »

Well, thats all bad but is it anything equal to the amount of regular bombs that the ira do, sure didn't they bomb a police station in derry like this week?

No, they IRA did not bomb a police station in Derry. The IRA is decommissioned. The Splinter groups that engage in attacks are also a threat to the peace process. I don't disagree with you on that point.

karma_

owenc wrote: »

Well, thats all bad but is it anything equal to the amount of regular bombs that the ira do, sure didn't they bomb a police station in derry like this week?

Surely if one is worth condemning then they all are. Nothing like back handedly giving approval to something and deflecting to possible justification is there?

owenc

dlofnep wrote: »

No, they IRA did not bomb a police station in Derry. The IRA is decommissioned. The Splinter groups that engage in attacks are also a threat to the peace process. I don't disagree with you on that point.

Well then who put the so called bomb there then. Think about it all the attacks are done through them no one else cares.

dlofnep

owenc wrote: »

Well then who put the so called bomb there then. Think about it all the attacks are done through them no one else cares.

Owen, the IRA is decommissioned. They no longer operate. The RIRA and CIRA are still active. They are not the IRA. I hope this is clear. Is there any chance you might condemn this pipe-bombing of a political office, instead of alleviating blame, by pointing out that attacks made by dissident republicans (which have nothing to do with Sinn Féin) occur?

Kev_ps3

dlofnep its pointless posting that news in this loyalist forum. They dont like reading stuff like that.

ANXIOUS

Any link to a news article on this? Or did the Ira Sinn féin not report it to the psni?

dlofnep

ANXIOUS wrote: »

Any link to a news article on this? Or did the Ira seinn féin not report it to the psni?

It's "Sinn Féin".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/10182725.stm

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/0528/breaking38.html

ANXIOUS

dlofnep wrote: »

It's "Sinn Féin".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/10182725.stm

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/0528/breaking38.html

Thanks and where in the articles say that It was claimed by loyalists.

Winty

dlofnep wrote: »

A Sinn Féin office in Down was pipe-bombed on Friday. It has been claimed by a local loyalist group,

I dont usually have sympathy for Sinn Fein but this was an attack on the democratic process and all sides must deplore it. I would not be a good SDLP man if I did not offer the people working in the SF office my support.

Some may see it as Karma, but I look forward as best I can. So I hope this is only a small incident and will not evolve into something bigger

Also we dont know who did it, It may be a local person who did not get planning permission or some bad advice from Sinn Fein

dlofnep

Winty wrote: »

Also we dont know who did it, It may be a local person who did not get planning permission or some bad advice from Sinn Fein

I was informed first-hand that it was a local loyalist group. At first, I assumed it was dissident republicans to be honest.

Winty

dlofnep wrote: »

I was informed first-hand that it was a local loyalist group. At first, I assumed it was dissident republicans to be honest.

I would believe it was a local mob, we still have little pockets of thugs across the province, most are just long term unemployed with a grudge not any political or social intelligence

LordSutch

dlofnep wrote: »

A Sinn Féin office in Down was pipe-bombed on Friday. It has been claimed by a local loyalist group, which have vandelised Irish language street signs over the past few months.

Irish language street signs in Northern Ireland? are they legal?

Only asking.

dlofnep

Camelot wrote: »

Irish language street signs in Northern Ireland? are they legal?

Only asking.

Yes, they are legal. The community has to approach the local council with X amount of signatures demonstrating support. If you go to Falls or other strong nationalist areas, you'll see most of the signs in Irish. Infact, to be honest - the Irish language (outside of the gaeltacht) is strongest in the North with respect to the urban population. Anytime I'm north, I always bump into someone who I can speak Irish with. And I'm not talking a cúpla focal either.

Curious however that your first question was to ask whether or not Irish street signs are legal, rather condemning those responsible for the attack. Just an observation.

owenc

Camelot wrote: »

Irish language street signs in Northern Ireland? are they legal?

Only asking.

Yes you do get them in very nationalist areas even in north east antrim!!! (very nationalist there) Though if your talking about irish road signs then no theres no need for them and its a waste of money.

owenc

dlofnep wrote: »

It's "Sinn Féin".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/10182725.stm

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/0528/breaking38.html

sinn fien bombed people?! Another reason not to vote for them and another reason for proof that they are terrorists.

karma_

owenc wrote: »

sinn fien bombed people?! Another reason not to vote for them and another reason for proof that they are terrorists.

Owen, you completely got the wrong end of my last post. Either you condemn all attacks or you condemn none. What your essentially saying is that this attack was fine because SF supported the IRA in the past.

owenc

karma_ wrote: »

Owen, you completely got the wrong end of my last post. Either you condemn all attacks or you condemn none. What your essentially saying is that this attack was fine because SF supported the IRA in the past.

No i was saying how surprised i was because sien fien (or whatever) bombed someone, now if they are a political party that should NOT happen. I can't believe that one of their politicians actually went out and did that, its an utter disgrace!! :eek::eek::eek:

derek1974

nice to see shoe on other foot for a change....see how ira/sinn fein like a taster of what they dished out for years not to mention the missing bodies they can't remember where they dumped

Nodin

derek1974 wrote: »

nice to see shoe on other foot for a change....see how ira/sinn fein like a taster of what they dished out for years not to mention the missing bodies they can't remember where they dumped

Following on that logic, shouldn't the French and British still be bombing Germany?

karma_

Nodin wrote: »

Following on that logic, shouldn't the French and British still be bombing Germany?

Obvious troll tbh

Nodin

True. As ever I failed to heed my own advice.

Fratton Fred

dlofnep wrote: »

I was informed first-hand that it was a local loyalist group. At first, I assumed it was dissident republicans to be honest.

I've no doubt there are still loyalists out there capable of this, but let's face it, nothing is going to get the bhoys digging out their old armalite quicker than thinking the loyalists are starting up again, so I doubt the C/R IRA are too upset about this.

dlofnep

owenc wrote: »

No i was saying how surprised i was because sien fien (or whatever) bombed someone, now if they are a political party that should NOT happen. I can't believe that one of their politicians actually went out and did that, its an utter disgrace!! :eek::eek::eek:

Owen, have you read anything in this thread?

A loyalist group in Down threw a pipe-bomb in a Sinn Féin office. Now, can you condemn this act or is it beyond your ability?

dlofnep

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I've no doubt there are still loyalists out there capable of this, but let's face it, nothing is going to get the bhoys digging out their old armalite quicker than thinking the loyalists are starting up again, so I doubt the C/R IRA are too upset about this.

I tend to agree with you. But I don't think that the CIRA or RIRA is going to launch an attack in defense of Sinn Féin. Their supporters probably dislike SF more than unionists.

Wolfe Tone

Was there any damage or did it detonate at all?

dlofnep

It only partially went off. The damage wasn't great from what I've heard, but if it had of detonated fully - it could have caused serious damage as there is an oil heating shop door.

Wolfe Tone

Mind boggling stuff. The vast vast majority of people both sides of the ideological divide loath to see anything of this nature. Luckily I was too young(or not even alive) to bear witness to the dark days. I have read of it in history books and the like. May it remain there.

Bottle_of_Smoke

owenc wrote: »

sinn fien bombed people?! Another reason not to vote for them and another reason for proof that they are terrorists.

owenc in post #14 where dlofnep said "its Sinn Fein" he wasn't saying Sinn Fein did the bombing. He was responding to this:

ANXIOUS wrote:

Any link to a news article on this? Or did the Ira seinn féin not report it to the psni?

Liam Byrne

Personally, I'd condemn this outright.

There is, however, a certain level of karma given that SF refuse to condemn certain murders.......maybe they should condemn all murders and criminal activity too ?

But the fact remains that - to me - there are no "sides"........violent thugs are violent thugs......and should be hunted down and exterminated.

Nodin

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Personally, I'd condemn this outright.

There is, however, a certain level of karma given that SF refuse to condemn certain murders.......maybe they should condemn all murders and criminal activity too ?

You either condemn it or you don't liam. Introducing "karma" in the next breath is just a smoke screen for having a go and gloat and pretending not to.

dlofnep

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Personally, I'd condemn this outright.

There is, however...

Could have fooled me.

Liam Byrne

Nodin wrote: »

You either condemn it or you don't liam. Introducing "karma" in the next breath is just a smoke screen for having a go and gloat and pretending not to.

Oh, don't get me wrong. I condemn it.

Pointing out that SF don't do likewise is an observation based on their own track record; I don't have to agree with things or be assumed to "have a go" if I'm merely pointing out the facts, do I ?

dlofnep

If a DUP office was pipe-bombed tomorrow, Sinn Féin would condemn it. Infact, when an Orange Hall was attacked, Sinn Féin condemned it: http://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/2875

You either condemn it, or you don't. Adding "but's", only dilutes your response. I doubt any sincerity in your post.

Liam Byrne

dlofnep wrote: »

If a DUP office was pipe-bombed tomorrow, Sinn Féin would condemn it. Infact, when an Orange Hall was attacked, Sinn Féin condemned it: http://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/2875

I think you know one of the events I'm referring to.

dlofnep wrote: »

You either condemn it, or you don't. Adding "but's", only dilutes your response.

The "but" was for a completely separate sentence. Quit misrepresenting.

Liam Byrne wrote: »

But the fact remains that - to me - there are no "sides"........violent thugs are violent thugs......and should be hunted down and exterminated.

dlofnep wrote: »

I doubt any sincerity in your post.

Doesn't bother me, tbh........I know what I mean, so that's all that matters.

Le King

owenc wrote: »

Yes you do get them in very nationalist areas even in north east antrim!!! (very nationalist there) Though if your talking about irish road signs then no theres no need for them and its a waste of money.

Let me guess what side your on....

The views shared by people such as yourself is why the peace process won't be moving on any time soon.

"Let's vote for Iain Paisley JR", sure he might be one of the biggest bigots to ever walk the face of the earth, sure he is one of the worst politicians to ever walk the face of the earth but sure were from North Antrim and we want a Unionist in, no matter how stupid that person is.

Also your failure to condemn these attacks proves my point further.

derek1974 wrote: »

nice to see shoe on other foot for a change....see how ira/sinn fein like a taster of what they dished out for years not to mention the missing bodies they can't remember where they dumped

Some people never learn.

owenc

Osu wrote: »

Let me guess what side your on....

The views shared by people such as yourself is why the peace process won't be moving on any time soon.

"Let's vote for Iain Paisley JR", sure he might be one of the biggest bigots to ever walk the face of the earth, sure he is one of the worst politicians to ever walk the face of the earth but sure were from North Antrim and we want a Unionist in, no matter how stupid that person is.

Also your failure to condemn these attacks proves my point further.




Some people never learn.

No i want a unionist in because i want to keep the union, not because i'm in a unionist area that is just plain stupid. What is all this condemn crap about?

Jaap

Anybody got any evidence it was loyalists who carried out this bombing??? As in articles from newspapers or websites???
I think we have to be really careful before posting that what we say is what is accepted by newspapers and the PSNI...not by Mr Joe Bloggs who says his brother's wife's son says it was planted by such and such!!!
Northern Ireland is a country where we need to deal in hard facts otherwise people get really stirred up about "the other side" and how they are "intimidating us".
Good that it only partially exploding and no one was hurt!!!

dlofnep

owenc wrote: »

What is all this condemn crap about?

Condemning - The act of voicing your discontent towards an action. In this case, it was a pipe-bombing of a Sinn Féin Office. Do you condemn it?

owenc

dlofnep wrote: »

Condemning - The act of voicing your discontent towards an action. In this case, it was a pipe-bombing of a Sinn Féin Office. Do you condemn it?

yes, of course!!!

dlofnep

Good man.

Le King

owenc wrote: »

yes, of course!!!

Show a bit of class then will you. Took you 4 pages to finally condemn it.

LordSutch

Class indeed, shame the shinners didn't condemn all the murders & bombings carried out by their 'alter ego' over the decades, many was the time people were blown to bits by IRA car bomb's, pub bomb's bus bomb's, (and the condemnation by SF was conspicuous by its absence)!

Wolfe Tone

Camelot wrote: »

Class indeed, shame the shinners didn't condemn all the murders & bombings carried out by their 'alter ego' over the decades, many was the time people were blown to bits by IRA car bomb's, pub bomb's bus bomb's, (and the condemnation by SF was conspicuous by its absence)!

Times have changed. Today Sinn Fein condemns all acts of violence and is 100% committed to the democratic process.

LordSutch

Yes they do, but it still sticks in the craw.