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Aid Floatillas Attacked

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    #62
    Dyr
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    iguana wrote: »
    Some of the funding for the flotilla came from the Kennedy family, with Sen. Ted Kennedy being heavily involved in it.

    Fair play to him if he's heavily involved with it..with him being dead and that :pac:


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    #63
    cyrusdvirus
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    Bambi wrote: »
    Fair play to him if he's heavily involved with it..with him being dead and that :pac:


    Ted Kennedy is Jesus. He just waited more than the 3 days to rise again


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    #64
    Ms.Odgeynist
    Registered Users Posts: 170 ✭✭Ms.Odgeynist


    This smacks of a deliberate attempt on the part of Israel to discourage any further aid convoys from attempting similar trips.
    This is one of the most sophisticated armies in the world. And we are to believe that they were so dismayed by a group of academics and medics wielding 'clubs' and 'axes' that they were suddenly unable to control the situation and 'had no option but to open fire'.
    These are the same commandos who can carry out assassinations all over the world without detection.
    Israel is fast becoming an international pariah!
    I'd encourage anyone who feels disgusted by this to make their feelings known at the embassy


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    #65
    Minstrel27
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    jimi_t2 wrote: »
    Ah yes, Al Jazeera.

    Humanitarian orientated liberal media at its finest.

    Don't believe everything that George Bush tells you. Open your eyes and see what is happening in the real world.


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    #66
    TheZohanS
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    Eight Irish people were travelling on a flotilla of aid ships where a reported 15 people have been killed in clashes with Israeli commandos.Michael Martin, Foreign Affairs Minister, said consular officials are working to confirm the safety of Irish people caught up in the incident.
    "I am gravely concerned at the reports emerging of the storming of a Turkish ship by Israeli commandos," the minister said. "My department is seeking to establish the full facts of what has occurred and confirm the safety of the eight Irish nationals who sailed with the Turkish-led flotilla.
    "The reports of up to 15 people killed and 50 injured, if confirmed, would constitute a totally unacceptable response by the Israeli military to what was a humanitarian mission attempting to deliver much needed supplies to the people of Gaza."
    The flotilla, which had been warned it would not be allowed to pass an Israeli sea blockade, was carrying about 10,000 tonnes of aid and 800 passengers on eight ships.
    It is understood the Turkish Mavi Marmara ship, from the pro-Islamic aid group IHH, and Free Gaza's Challenger 1 were intercepted by Israeli Navy ships in international waters, 80 miles off the coast of Gaza.
    Three Irish people, Dr Fintan Lane, Fiachra O Luain and Shane Dillon were on board the Challenger 1 which had travelled from Cyprus in the first wave of the flotilla.
    The Ireland Palestine Solidarity Campaign (IPSC) said it has not been able to contact any of its members on the ships.

    Source.


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    #67
    jtsuited
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    i'd like to think Israel have finally gone far enough so that the world takes a stand but I fear that is not the case.


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    #68
    Minstrel27
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    Of course nothing will be done about this.


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    #69
    m5ex9oqjawdg2i
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    Ms.Odgeynist wrote: »
    Listen to yourself. Trying to wrestle a gun off a soldier is an act of aggression?
    Not dropping onto an aid ship from a heavily armed helicopter while armed to the teeth with machine guns and grenades and whatever other weapons are en vogue these days.
    Thats the same fuzzy logic invoked to justify bombing Gaza.

    Trying to wrestle a gun off a soldier is going to get you shot. Simple as. In the Irish army, are trained to engage in certain situations, being disarmed is one of those situations...


    I'll reserve my comments until I hear more.


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    #70
    ChessHacker
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    Nijmegen wrote: »
    [...] Hamas took Gaza in a bloody coup against the elected governement, and have been shelling Israel for years. They offered to let this gear come in through Israel over land.[...]

    Firstly, Hamas won free parliamentary elections in the Palestinian territories and suppressed a Fatah coup by Mohammed Dahlan which was supported by Egypt, Israel and the US.

    Hamas and Israel had agreed a cease fire (at which time Hamas fired no rockets and no Israeli was killed). Israel broke her promise to lift the siege and broke the cease fire during the US presidential election.

    Israel has made similar offers in the past and broke them.
    According to Israeli human rights group Gisha, foods such as jam, chocolate and fishing nets are banned.
    For example, consignments of shoes owned by Gaza traders were held in Israeli storage (at a cost to the shopkeepers). When allowed into Gaza earlier this year, the traders discovered that they were left out in the weather to rot.

    I think its time Israel stopped being a colonialist bully and returned to 1967 borders (which is the official US and EU position), in return for peace and normalisation with Arab countries as envisioned in the "Arab peace plan". Hamas supports this as does the Arab league. Israel refuses the offer every year.


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    #71
    cyrusdvirus
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    i really think we should sit back and take a look before we jump in condemning anyone here. It's not as if israel has any reason to love us here in Ireland...after all we are the only country who sent a message of condolence to the German people after a madman who turned 6 MILLION jews into air pollution topped himself


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    #72
    iguana
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    Bambi wrote: »
    Fair play to him if he's heavily involved with it..with him being dead and that :pac:

    Really? You read a post from someone worried that their friends may be dead and you pick on their grammar?


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    #73
    gent9662
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    This is a typical Israeli response; shoot first and ask questions later! Why could they not have waited until the flotilla came into port and searched the convoy for arms etc? If anything they would have been more thought of by allowing the aid to enter Gaza. I hope there is international outcry about this. Michael Martin should definitely put some serious questions to the Israeli ambassador as should the US and UK.


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    #74
    prinz
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    iguana wrote: »
    Really? You read a post from someone worried that their friends may be dead and you pick on their grammar?

    Those people knew the score and took their chances. It also appears they tried it on with the Israeli commandos - that was never going to work. Loss of life is regretful but totally foreseeable in this situation so sympathy for those killed is minimised in fairness.


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    #75
    Dyr
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    So is the israeli naval blockade a legit fully-abiding-by-maritime-law type deal or is it a wackey-completely-illegal-but-we're-jews-so-we-can-get-away-with type escapade?


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    #76
    iguana
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    prinz wrote: »
    Those people knew the score and took their chances. It also appears they tried it on with the Israeli commandos - that was never going to work. Loss of life is regretful but totally foreseeable in this situation so sympathy for those killed is minimised in fairness.

    They were aid workers bringing aid who had their ships raided in the middle of the night on international waters. They certainly didn't expect that and they didn't expect for murders on that scale. Obviously all aid workers who go into dangerous territories are taking a risk but they do so as they think the needs of others make that risk necessary.

    The ships had members of EU parliament, former US dignitaries like Ann Wright on board. The description you are giving of the people on board are utterly at odds with reality.


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    #77
    gurramok
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    prinz wrote: »
    Those people knew the score and took their chances. It also appears they tried it on with the Israeli commandos - that was never going to work. Loss of life is regretful but totally foreseeable in this situation so sympathy for those killed is minimised in fairness.

    Talk about heartless. I'd never thought I'd see the day you condone the killing of aid workers.


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    #78
    General Zod
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    gurramok wrote: »
    Talk about heartless. I'd never thought I'd see the day you condone the killing of aid workers.

    But it was by Israel in international waters waters, they knew what they were doing, so caveat emptor, I guess. :rolleyes:


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    #79
    iguana
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    Bambi wrote: »
    So is the israeli naval blockade a legit fully-abiding-by-maritime-law type deal or is it a wackey-completely-illegal-but-we're-jews-so-we-can-get-away-with type escapade?

    Pretty much the latter.


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    #80
    prinz
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    iguana wrote: »
    The ships had members of EU parliament, former US dignitaries like Ann Wright on board. The description you are giving of the people on board are utterly at odds with reality.

    Ah yes 800 odd people. All vitally needed for aid relief. Nothing at all about jumping a bandwagon cause.
    gurramok wrote: »
    Talk about heartless. I'd never thought I'd see the day you condone the killing of aid workers.

    I don't condone it, sounds like a right royal f*ck up by all concerned. However I don't find it at all suprising. Play with fire etc... You don't play chicken with the IDF. As for "aid workers", was this a sanctioned operation under a recognised international aid organisation or was it a private enterprise?


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    #81
    A Dub in Glasgo
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    Not a lot to say other than this shows how scummy Israel are. Not much will be done to the war criminals of Israel as they must have photos of all the leaders of Europe and the US in a porno orgy with the amount of inaction from the defenders of 'truth and democracy'.


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    #82
    Nodin
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    jimi_t2 wrote: »
    (....)liberal media at its finest.

    Dear o dear.
    jimi_t2 wrote: »
    Since when could Al Jazeera ever be considered liberal?.

    Since a large number of Arab regimes tried to block it....
    Danny Wooden Savannah wrote:
    The lad is only doing his job, pretty much like our own naval personnel boarding illegal trawlers and drug running shipments.

    We as a state aren't involved in colonising outside our borders, as far as I'm aware.
    Prinz wrote:
    It also appears they tried it on with the Israeli commandos .

    ...Where can I get one of those crystal balls? I've only the net for news...


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    #83
    Nodin
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    Bambi wrote: »
    So is the israeli naval blockade a legit fully-abiding-by-maritime-law type deal or is it a wackey-completely-illegal-but-we're-jews-so-we-can-get-away-with type escapade?

    ...It's better thought of as 'We're-in-with-the-Americans, so-screw-you' kind of thing.....


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    #84
    Cian92
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    Ms.Odgeynist wrote: »
    I'd encourage anyone who feels disgusted by this to make their feelings known at the embassy

    You should hear the embassy blatantly lying us on Pat Kenny at the moment. Disgraceful.


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    #85
    prinz
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    Nodin wrote: »
    ...Where can I get one of those crystal balls? I've only the net for news...

    BBC only works when it suits you is it? Or do you always read half the news?


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    #86
    prinz
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    iguana wrote: »
    Pretty much the latter.

    Do you know the difference between Jews, Israelis and Zionists?


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    #87
    gurramok
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    prinz wrote: »
    I don't condone it, sounds like a right royal f*ck up by all concerned. However I don't find it at all suprising. Play with fire etc... You don't play chicken with the IDF. As for "aid workers", was this a sanctioned operation under a recognised international aid organisation or was it a private enterprise?

    Does it matter one iota?

    If it was aid been brought in by the Nuns of Calcutta, you'd still justify murder.


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    #88
    prinz
    Registered Users Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    gurramok wrote: »
    Does it matter one iota?

    Of course it matters.


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    #89
    iguana
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    To those who are upset by this, there will be a demonstration today beginning at the spire on O'Connell St at 6pm and moving to the Israeli embassy in Ballsbridge.


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    #90
    karma_
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    Boards.ie garrison of the IDF out in force this morning I see. Man, you would swear some of you were actually on the payroll.


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    #91
    iguana
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    prinz wrote: »
    Of course it matters.

    Yes as it happens the Free Gaza Movement is an internationally recognised humanitarian organisation, endorsed by the likes of Desmond Tutu, and they are who organised this.


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