Aid Floatillas Attacked

Dyr

skelliser wrote: »

Here, the Rachel Corrie is still en route to Gaza!!

Micheal Martin has said the ship should not be impeded.

HUZZAH!!!!

I'm sure the Israeli's take Mickey Money Martin very seriously after the passport debacle

wes

Archie D Bunker wrote: »

That's not what I said - I was asked to give examples of Palestinian lies

I was talking about the groups on the boat actually. I have yet to see a single reason not to trust them, and I plenty of reasons to not thrust the IDF.

Memnoch

B0jangles wrote: »

Same old video that has been posted 20+ times already

http://www9.gazetevatan.com/israil-...308396/1/Gundem

Thanks for posting this. For me the most damning part of this video was how you if you look carefully near the beginning of the video about 7 seconds in when the arabic journalist is talking, you can see a motor boat/speed boat/inflatable moving past the ship and you can hear what sounded to me like gun shots.

You can also see the person holding the camera ducking, as if he expects to be shot.

I'm sure there was a lot more evidence of exactly what the Israelis did but the Israeli's have siezed and destroyed it as reported by the Al Jazeera journalist, who I don't think was even on that particular boat.

dgrump1

Those Irish trouble makers on the boats should have been here protesting over Nama and the government that caused the problems are still in power. They should not be out on the high seas mouthing and screaming at Israeli soldiers doing their duty. No wonder they got shot. They should be minding their own business and not getting involved in another country's problems. Get back here now do your patriotic duty and protest here...cop on.....

citizen_p

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/static/pictures/resized/136-106/44/44149.jpg sorry for the small pic seen a bigger one with more in it.

a photo of the weapons seized.
kitchen knifes, chains (needed on a boat), sticks, wrenches, spanners, hammers, discs for angle grinders

great haul

deisedevil

dgrump1 wrote: »

Those Irish trouble makers on the boats should have been here protesting over Nama and the government that caused the problems are still in power. They should not be out on the high seas mouthing and screaming at Israeli soldiers doing their duty. No wonder they got shot. They should be minding their own business and not getting involved in another country's problems. Get back here now do your patriotic duty and protest here...cop on.....

Such a simplistic way you have of looking at it.

Gigiwagga

karma_ wrote: »

Can you tell me Prinz, why do Israel hand these propaganda victories to Hamas time after time? If they really wanted change why not show a more lenient attitude and give Fatah more support? Allow the inhabitants of Gaza some freedom to get rid of Hamas by the correct means?

Yes by giving back occupied land, ALL OF IT. YES ALL OF IT.
That would be a start, and obviously with peace treaty preconditions. All families of victims should be compensated equally on both sides.
This would be justice, this would be fair.

Of course Israel don't see things in a fair way, and have never done so. This is not a biased opinion on my behalf, it is a historical fact.
If justice were to be done, these things would happen, but they wont because Israel does not believe in justice, they just believe that they are the chosen people of God, and that all the land they occupy is theirs, by Gods decree, and the rest of it.
Hamas know this is Israel's belief,
Obama needs to take Israel to task seriously over this matter, insist they give back the stolen territory, ALL OF IT.

Then there will be peace, and Hamas will become redundant.

Easy peasy.

Bambooze et al are stuck here like a rabbit in the headlights of public opinion, as is Israel itself. Blind subservient support is the tactic of the desperate, after all if he agrees with public opinion all is lost. So too for Israel, they are good at the blind eye treatment, it suits them, look at all that lovely land for new settlements. Israel are living on borrowed time with their tactics, they would not be where they are without the enormous support from Uncle Sam.

bambooze

Morlar wrote: »

Could I just ask - seeing as you just joined and all your posts are in defence of israel are you anything to do with those pro-israel advocacy groups like giyus.org etc ?

I'm not, I usually just lurk when **** happens in the world and big discussions kick up but in this case I couldn't let some of the extremely biased posts here go unanswered.

Dar

bambooze wrote: »

Turkish aid organisation IHH linked to extremism

ISTANBUL – The Turkish organisation IHH (Foundation for Humanitarian Relief), which organized one of the ships in the aid convoy to Gaza, and which was attacked by Israel today, has two faces: aid organisation and friend of extremists. In Turkey it is mainly supported by conservative Muslims.

http://www.journalistinturkey.com/stories/human-rights/turkish-aid-organisation-ihh-linked-to-extremism_1355/

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I don't know anything about the source so judge for yourself.

So illegally boarding merchant vessels in international water is a-okay provided you don't like the look of the people on board?

Unless you can provide evidence that these "extremists" fired on Israeli forces prior to their boarding, I fail to see how this is relevant.

IrishTonyO

prinz wrote: »

Not to worry kids the rockets are still flying from Gaza. :rolleyes:

what rockets are still firing from Gaza? u got a source to back this up?

Theta

This may have been said already but what good is it going to do if the government makes all these demands. As soon as the Irish passport holders get released it will be business as usual for them. They get away with everything cause they dont give a ****.

(Without them admitting it or not) They have illegally used Irish passports and abducted Irish citizens from international waters. Why dont we just close our embassy in Israel and boot out there ambassador here. I think we can live without the oranges and round of ammunition we import from them.

My name is URL

bambooze wrote: »

I'm not, I usually just lurk when **** happens in the world and big discussions kick up but in this case I couldn't let some of the extremely biased posts here go unanswered.

What's biased about commenting on the murder of foreign civilians by an armed force in international waters?

Are you saying that Israel done nothing wrong here? And you have the cheek to accuse others of being biased? lol

bambooze

Dar wrote: »

So illegally boarding merchant vessels in international water is a-okay provided you don't like the look of the people on board?

Unless you can provide evidence that these "extremists" fired on Israeli forces prior to their boarding, I fail to see how this is relevant.

A group apparently with known links to islamic terror groups organizes a flotilla to break an israeli blockade and get supplies of some kind and people from who knows where to hamas, a recognized islamic terrorist group.. you don't think that's relevant?

Gigiwagga

My name is URL wrote: »

What's biased about commenting on the murder of foreign civilians by an armed force in international waters?

Are you saying that Israel done nothing wrong here? And you have the cheek to accuse others of being biased? lol

Nicely caught sir...

Gigiwagga

bambooze wrote: »

A group apparently with known links to islamic terror groups organizes a flotilla to break an israeli blockade and get supplies of some kind and people from who knows where to hamas, a recognized islamic terrorist group.. you don't think that's relevant?

Israel considers anybody who disagrees with their foreign policy a terrorist. Aid workers are terrorists, aid workers with kitchen knives defending themselves on their own ship are terrorists. You are beginning to sound like a parody of a terror apologist.

I love that word 'apparently' , don't you?

prinz

IrishTonyO wrote: »

what rockets are still firing from Gaza? u got a source to back this up?

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hn8PsSqws_iCCX61MHGi_LyvgDEg

Dar

bambooze wrote: »

A group apparently with known links to islamic terror groups organizes a flotilla to break an israeli blockade and get supplies of some kind and people from who knows where to hamas, a recognized islamic terrorist group.. you don't think that's relevant?

I fail to see how a few vague accusations justify an armed assault of a merchant fleet in international waters.

bambooze

My name is URL wrote: »

What's biased about commenting on the murder of foreign civilians by an armed force in international waters?

Are you saying that Israel done nothing wrong here? And you have the cheek to accuse others of being biased? lol

Whats biased about blaming israel before any investigation? Before viewing any evidence? Can't think of a thing.. :rolleyes:

I started posting after seeing the youtube vids showing the attacks on israelis.

Wibbs

Israel, release the entire video footage. If it backs your claims we will believe you. Pretty simple. To add to that faith, release all the recording devices you've impounded.

doncarlos

Wibbs wrote: »

Israel, release the entire video footage. If it backs your claims we will believe you. Pretty simple. To add to that faith, release all the recording devices you've impounded.

Exactly if they have nothing to hide they should do this.

Nodin

bambooze wrote: »

A group apparently with known links to islamic terror groups organizes a flotilla to break an israeli blockade and get supplies of some kind and people from who knows where to hamas, a recognized islamic terrorist group.. you don't think that's relevant?

You aren't back to playing the "O NOES!!! MZLIMS!!11!!!" card, are you?

Wibbs

dgrump1 wrote: »

Those Irish trouble makers on the boats should have been here protesting over Nama and the government that caused the problems are still in power. They should not be out on the high seas mouthing and screaming at Israeli soldiers doing their duty. No wonder they got shot. They should be minding their own business and not getting involved in another country's problems. Get back here now do your patriotic duty and protest here...cop on.....

Funny enough it came as a major bonus for the irish gov. This way people may not have noticed the billions in health cutbacks and the further billions given to anglo irish bank yesterday.

bambooze

Wibbs wrote: »

Israel, release the entire video footage. If it backs your claims we will believe you. Pretty simple. To add to that faith, release all the recording devices you've impounded.

I'm in favour.. everyone involved should release all evidence.

bambooze

Nodin wrote: »

You aren't back to playing the "O NOES!!! MZLIMS!!11!!!" card, are you?

That info was from a post by journalist working in turkey.. of course it was just a blog so I dunno anything more about it. But presumably any such IHH terror links (or accusations) are a matter of record somewhere.. probably in turkey.

Gigiwagga

I see Israel have killed five more people in Gaza today, seem to be on a bit of a streak at the moment. A bit of a killing spree it seems

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2010/jun/01/israel-flotilla-raid-fallout-live

doncarlos

bambooze wrote: »

I'm in favour.. everyone involved should release all evidence.

Do you think Israel will? Be honest now

deisedevil

Gigiwagga wrote: »

I see Israel have killed five more people in Gaza today, seem to be on a bit of a streak at the moment. A bit of a killing spree it seems

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2010/jun/01/israel-flotilla-raid-fallout-live

If they were terrorists then what's wrong with it? Those on the flotilla were not terrorists as Israel are trying to depict them.

prinz

Gigiwagga wrote: »

I see Israel have killed five more people in Gaza today, seem to be on a bit of a streak at the moment. A bit of a killing spree it seems

Two were killed trying to infiltrate the border and three were killed in an attack following the launch of two rockets into Israel. Let's not get carried away shall we?

the_syco

Gigiwagga wrote: »

Yes by giving back occupied land, ALL OF IT. YES ALL OF IT.

In other words, dissolve Israel, and send all the jews.... to where? Germany?

B0jangles

bambooze wrote: »

I'm in favour.. everyone involved should release all evidence.

And you really really don't see anything suspicious in the fact that it took 12 hours for the IDF to release a couple of pretty short bits of footage in nightvision, when they apparently filmed the whole event and also went to the trouble of seizing every single bit of equipment capable of recording what happened, and yet the people on the Flotilla managed to release footage while under attack?

Why, its almost as if they had something to hide!!