Aid Floatillas Attacked

Gigiwagga

Bambooze, we are all aware of the fact that the aid ship were trying to prevent the IDF from boarding the ship, which was Turkish territory.
On a more serious note since you seem to have much access to all things showing how harassed the Israelis are, could you please post Israeli videos showing violence against them as they go about their business equivalent to
these which were already posted, showing abuse of Israelis, even one video
without resorting to footage from the early 1940s.

I'm just curious, is all.

By the way you should watch these you might get some enlightenment

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7451691.stm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8yKFKao0sI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mO8C...eature=related

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=897_1258569027

More beatings and humiliation by police here
http://news.walla.co.il/?w=//1330308

Drake66

American student Emily Henochowicz loses an eye when an Israeli soldier fires a tear gas canister directly at her head. She was attending a protest about the Gaza convoy raid. I suppose the thug that did this was following standard operating procedures as well.

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/06/02/emily_henochowicz_israel_shot
http://palsolidarity.org/2010/05/12604/

Run_to_da_hills

Breakdown of Activists involved in Flotilla that have so far been released

3 from Australia
2 from Azerbaijan
6 from Italy
12 form Indonesia
9 from Ireland
28 from Algeria
11 from the United States
2 from Bulgaria
1 from Bosnia
4 from Bahrain
5 from Belgium
11 form Germany
1 from South Africa
2 form the Netherlands
31 from the United Kingdom
38 form Greece
30 from Jordan
15 form Kuwait
3 form Lebanon
3 from Mauritania
11 from Malaysia
3from Egypt
3 from Macedonia
7 form Morocco
3 form Norway
1 form New Zealand
3 form Syria
1 form Serbia
1 form Oman
3 from Pakistan
4 form Czech Republic
9 from France
1 form Kosovo
1 form Canada
11 form Sweden
380 form Turkey
4 from Yemen.

186 human rights activists are still in Israeli detention in Be'er Sheva

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=128781&sectionid=351020202

Jicked

"Broken Glass Bottle" and a Bart Simpson slingshot are the best the IDF could find, apart from 10 blokes with cameras, torches and one with a big stick? It'd be laughable if it wasn't so tragic.

Drake66

They went into the galley and shockingly they found knives. Obviously they must be terrorists if they have knives in the galley.

Peanut

Also the ship is quite a bit bigger than that embedded video suggests. Had a wander around some of the decks during a trip to Marmara and there is a lot of storage space, so the chances that there was a bunch of random crap lying around that no-one even knew about is pretty high I would say.

JONJO THE MISER

Eamon Ryan just said on Vincent Brown if needs be the Israeli Ambassador will be expelled.

mikom

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

Eamon Ryan just said on Vincent Brown if needs be the Israeli Ambassador will be expelled.

They're going to show his departure live on free-to-air.

Sonnenblumen

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

Eamon Ryan just said on Vincent Brown if needs be the Israeli Ambassador will be expelled.

Right or wrong Greens usually get their way.

Morlar

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

Eamon Ryan just said on Vincent Brown if needs be the Israeli Ambassador will be expelled.

'If needs be' could mean absolutely anything whatsoever.

Caoimhín

I have some sympathy for Israel but i think they are pushing it on this.

Run_to_da_hills

How Israel’s ministry of foreign affairs fakes photos of seized weapons.

We have all seen this before havent we. :rolleyes:

http://ibnkafkasobiterdicta.wordpress.com/2010/06/02/gaza-flotilla-how-israels-ministry-of-foreign-affairs-fakes-photos-of-seized-weapons/

Gerry Asstrix

Keep signing this petition to expell the butchers, spread the word
http://www.petitiononline.com/Israelno/petition.html

prinz

Gerry Asstrix wrote: »

Keep signing this petition to expell the butchers, spread the word
http://www.petitiononline.com/Israelno/petition.html

I don't think the ambassador is a butcher in fairness. I think he's a diplomat.

hideous ape

prinz wrote: »

I don't think the ambassador is a butcher in fairness. I think he's a diplomat.

He is the direct point of contact between this state and Israel but frankly Israel has continued to piss us off even after the main incident:

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0603/mideast.html

Two of the Irish activists were injured in separate incidents with Israeli security personnel at Tel Aviv airport and are being treated in hospital in Turkey.

Fiachra O'Luain was treated in hospital in Istanbul for injuries which are not believed to be serious.

The family of Libyan-born Irish citizen Al Mahdi Al Harati say that he called them from Turkish hospital in the early hours of this morning. It was the first time they had heard from him since he was detained by the Israeli authorities. Housam Najjair, his brother-in-law, said that Mr Harati is being treated in the intensive care unit of Ankara's Ataturk Hospital, after being beaten in the head and groin while in Israeli custody.

ISRAEL OUT NOW!!!!!

prinz

hideous ape wrote: »

He is the direct point of contact between this state and Israel but frankly Israel has continued to piss us off even after the main incident:

Am I free to start referring to ambassadors from various countries as terrorist scum then? Yeah, coolio. :rolleyes:. I don't care if you want the ambassador out, he should have been gone long ago, but let's cut the hysterics of calling the man a butcher.

wes

prinz wrote: »

Am I free to start referring to ambassadors from various countries as terrorist scum then? Yeah, coolio. :rolleyes:. I don't care if you want the ambassador out, he should have been gone long ago, but let's cut the hysterics of calling the man a butcher.

Sure, when he starts showing other people the same respect, then he will be deserving of it himself.

hideous ape

prinz wrote: »

but let's cut the hysterics of calling the man a butcher.

You might want to read the posted sentence again:

"Keep signing this petition to expell the butchers"

He was referring to Israel as butchers and while it is a hysterical word to use, in the context of recent events that's a fair comment when our citizens are been shot at, kidnapped and then beaten while in custody of an allegedly friendly nation.

Cungi

NATO wrote:

Article 5

The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security .

Article 6 (1)

For the purpose of Article 5, an armed attack on one or more of the Parties is deemed to include an armed attack:

* on the territory of any of the Parties in Europe or North America, on the Algerian Departments of France (2), on the territory of or on the Islands under the jurisdiction of any of the Parties in the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer;
* on the forces, vessels, or aircraft of any of the Parties, when in or over these territories or any other area in Europe in which occupation forces of any of the Parties were stationed on the date when the Treaty entered into force or the Mediterranean Sea or the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer.

http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/official_texts_17120.htm

As mentioned by another poster

Imo Turkey needs to invoke this treaty. May be the only thing Israel would fear. But then It could would lead to internal problems between the US and other Nato members

nice1franko

For anyone interested:

1. Thurs 3rd June - March to the Israeli Embassy - Assemble 6pm Central Bank Plaza, Dame St Dublin

The Irish Anti-War Movement is holding a major march and demonstration to the Israeli Embassy, this Thursday June 3rd, calling for the expulsion of the Israeli ambassador from Ireland, the release of all prisoners in Israeli custody, and the imposition of sanctions on Israel. The march will assemble at 6pm at the Central Bank plaza on Dame St, Dublin, before marching to the Dail and then on to the Israeli embassy.

- http://www.irishantiwar.org/

Rabidlamb

Wow, this thread has broken over 100 pages in record time.
Nice talk people all having but it will bear no fruit in the long run.
Reminds me of the debate about American planes using Shannon or some thread on the exit strategy for Afganistan.

There are times that ignorance is bliss.
If we knew the full details of every horrific act committed the world would be unbearable for most people.

IrishTonyO

nice1franko wrote: »

For anyone interested:

- http://www.irishantiwar.org/

Thanks for the info, I will be attending this and it will be my first ever protest march, but I really do feel so strongly about this, especially after the unbelievable snub to our government by the Israeli ambassador yesterday saying he will not attend a Oireachteas Committee to answer questions

IrishTonyO

Rabidlamb wrote: »

Wow, this thread has broken over 100 pages in record time.
Nice talk people all having but it will bear no fruit in the long run.
Reminds me of the debate about American planes using Shannon or some thread on the exit strategy for Afganistan.

There are times that ignorance is bliss.
If we knew the full details of every horrific act committed the world would be unbearable for most people.

To quote Edmund Burke
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

ScumLord

Cungi wrote: »

http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/official_texts_17120.htm

As mentioned by another poster

Imo Turkey needs to invoke this treaty. May be the only thing Israel would fear. But then It could would lead to internal problems between the US and other Nato members

They probably don't want to push their luck in Europe, seeing as their already costing the rest of the union a fortune. We're in the same boat but I don't think we'd have any shame in sticking our hands out and calling in favours.

IrishTonyO

ScumLord wrote: »

They probably don't want to push their luck in Europe, seeing as their already costing the rest of the union a fortune. We're in the same boat but I don't think we'd have any shame in sticking our hands out and calling in favours.

How is Turkey costing EU members a fortune??? There are not even a member of the EU yet?

ScumLord

IrishTonyO wrote: »

How is Turkey costing EU members a fortune??? There are not even a member of the EU yet?

I was thinking of Greece for some reason. Got conflustered thinking of how that would apply if Israel do the same to an Irish/European ship.

Noreen1

hideous ape wrote: »

Turkey.

Fiachra O'Luain was treated in hospital in Istanbul for injuries which are not believed to be serious.

Fiachra O' Luain is an Irish National who was aboard The Challenger.
I have yet to see any video evidence to suggest that those aboard The Challenger used violence against the Israeli soldiers.

It will be interesting to see how Israel will justify his injuries, as well as any injuries suffered by people who were not aboard the Mavi Marmara.

Whereas I can understand that Israel must protect its borders from terrorist attack - I cannot condone the kidnapping of aid workers from International waters. Neither can I ignore the maps that show absolute proof that the Palestinian people are consistently being squeezed onto ever-decreasing strips of land. If the Israeli soldiers who boarded the Mavi Marmara had a right to self defence - then where is the Palestinian equal right to self defence?

I am no fan of Hamas - it is an organisation built on Hatred - and hatred is a self-defeating emotion. However - if a people are oppressed over an extended period of time, until they feel they have no alternative but the use of violence - then History has shown time and again that people will resort to violence in that situation.

It is time the International community intervened to find a peaceful solution - before this situation escalates further..........

I have no idea how accurate this source is - but if it's accurate, then I believe it has the potential to be very constructive - or very destructive:

http://world.globaltimes.cn/africa/2010-06/538219.html

Food for thought?

Noreen

Caoimhín

While i have enormous sympathy for those poor people in Gaza i firmly believe (Like our own lovely island) that BOTH sides are at fault.

Also, with the stink being kicked up with this flotilla, one would almost think the whole thing was planned.

Abrasax

I don't know if these have been posted already (it's a massive thread)....

Proof of the Israeli government engaging in psy-ops...

http://www.politicaltheatrics.net/2010/06/the-gaza-flotilla-how-israel%E2%80%99s-ministry-of-foreign-affairs-fakes-photos-of-seized-weapons/


And an eyewitness account of a journalist on board the ship...

http://www.israelnews.net/story/642436

Memnoch

Noreen1 wrote: »

If the Israeli soldiers who boarded the Mavi Marmara had a right to self defence - then where is the Palestinian equal right to self defence?

I just wanted to clear this up because this is very, very important... it wasn't self defence...

Here is an interview with a journalist who saw everything as it happened.

http://vodpod.com/watch/3760407-inte...e-mavi-marmara

There is no doubt from what I saw that live ammunition was fired before any Israeli soldier was on deck.

These reports seem to contradict Israeli claims that their commandos ONLY used live ammunition after being set upon by the protesters and that they only had paint ball guns to begin with.

Interview starts about 45 seconds into the video. Interesting points at 2 minutes in and then 3:20 minutes in he talks about the sequence of what happened and who did what first. Around 5 minutes in he talks about how the Israelis left three critically injured people untreated for 3 hours despite repeated requests and allowed them to die.

TBH this doesn't surprise me in the least, because the video released by the IDF showed the commandos boarding but not what had happened before that.

Is it any surprise that the people in the ship tried to fight off the commandos after they had seen their fellow passengers shot and killed from above?

It's also not surprising that the Israelis held these people for 3 days so that they could put their own spin on events without correction from those who were there.

It's very important that people realise this...

The Israelis fired FIRST and used LIVE ammunition. This myth that they were somehow acting in self-defence is completely false and a fabrication of the Israeli PR machine.