Israel attacks Aid Flotilla. At least 2 dead

Mahatma coat

Hammas are the elected Government of Gaza, how they distribute aid is irelevant to the situation.

Israel Attacked an unarmed Aid ship in International Waters Killing over a Dozen people, Wounding many more.

No amount of Spin can change the facts.


The Blockade is Illegal, It dosnet matter how long its been there or whatever Bollox Israel spin to jutif the Mass starvation of a country.

prinz

alastair wrote: »

For any recourse to the Protective Principle to have any merit in law, Israel would need to establish that the aid was indeed a threat - which it hasn't (and can't tbh). The blockade is illegal, and the flotilla a legal endeavour, as defined by universally understood laws.

The Isrealis have a right to fear what may have been on board. That's why they wanted it unloaded peacefully in a port and transported on. It's not like "humanitarian convoys" etc have not been used to transport weapons before. Plus aid that has been delivered into Gaza has been taken by Hamas to support themselves rather than going to the people who really need it. Israel has the right to suspect that this aid was going to be used to sustain Hamas and friends.

PeakOutput

dlofnep wrote: »

What weapons? It was a humanitarian aid convoy. What right did Israel have to block it?

they wanted to inspect it first

they inspect all aid

the boats would not agree to this

wes

PeakOutput wrote: »

they wanted to inspect it first

they inspect all aid

the boats would not agree to this

They have no such right, as they were not going to Israel.

RasTa

PeakOutput wrote: »

they wanted to inspect it first

they inspect all aid

the boats would not agree to this

Just tell the truth for once. They wanted to distribute the aid

Glenshane Pass

prinz wrote: »

The Isrealis have a right to fear what may have been on board. That's why they wanted it unloaded peacefully in a port and transported on. It's not like "humanitarian convoys" etc have not been used to transport weapons before. Plus aid that has been delivered into Gaza has been taken by Hamas to support themselves rather than going to the people who really need it. Israel has the right to suspect that this aid was going to be used to sustain Hamas and friends.

Are you following this thread at all? Why don't you suggest what COULD HAVE BEEN on board? Rockets? From where, Ireland? Were the Turkish customs officials lying when they said there was nothing but aid on the ship, that particullar ship not to mention the others that were also cleared?

Hamas supports itself with captured aid, could you develop this point please? Hamas is democratically elected, they are a nation wide Islamic social movement, they are intertwined into Palestinian society. If you were ever in Palestine you would know this. But no, better to act on hearsay isn't it.

prinz

wes wrote: »

They have no such right, as they were not going to Israel.

They have every right as Israel controls the seas off Gaza.

Villain

For one Minister Martin talks some sense: illegal blockade of Gaza breaching International Law

dlofnep

prinz wrote: »

They have every right as Israel controls the seas off Gaza.

That's the problem. Israel doesn't have that right.

IrishTonyO

Nijmegen wrote: »

As stated and repeated: A blockade must always stop all vessels and bring them to control points. Otherwise, it's a leaky sive and not worth the effort.

And as stated before as well, Israel limits the amount of Aid allowed in to Gaza and even what type of Aid, no pencils allowed, no chocolate, no building materials cement etc. How are the people there meant to rebuild their bombed out homes????

Villain

prinz wrote: »

They have every right as Israel controls the seas off Gaza.

The blockade is illegal, they have no rights for such action in International waters

alastair

prinz wrote: »

The Isrealis have a right to fear what may have been on board. That's why they wanted it unloaded peacefully in a port and transported on. It's not like "humanitarian convoys" etc have not been used to transport weapons before. Plus aid that has been delivered into Gaza has been taken by Hamas to support themselves rather than going to the people who really need it. Israel has the right to suspect that this aid was going to be used to sustain Hamas and friends.

Fear of pencils (or what 'might') is no justification for defence of the nation. The Israeli proscription of the specific aid on the ships is ongoing, so there's no reasonable expectation that Isreal would allow them into Gaza, as they've continued to block them through the normal UN cross border channels. And then we come back to the basic issue of whther or not Israel have any right to specify what manner of aid is allowed through.

stackerman

Israelis now trying to cut communications from the aid ships, why ??
Looks like a giant F up and I think this is a BIG step too far.
I hope the US change their stance

Avoid Israeli products people . .

wes

prinz wrote: »

They have every right as Israel controls the seas off Gaza.

No, they don't, as there control is illegal. They also claim to not be occupying Gaza, which is a clear lie.

west101

This is outrageous. The EU should stop all Israeli shipping going through gibraltar and Egypt should do the same in the Suez, see how long the israelis last then.

prinz

Glenshane Pass wrote: »

Are you following this thread at all? Why don't you suggest what COULD HAVE BEEN on board? Rockets? From where, Ireland? Were the Turkish customs officials lying when they said there was nothing but aid on the ship, that particullar ship not to mention the others that were also cleared?

Who knows where arms might have come from. Where any other ship which may have met up with the convoy off shore post inspection may have come from etc

Glenshane Pass wrote: »

Hamas supports itself with captured aid, could you develop this point please? Hamas is democratically elected, they are a nation wide Islamic social movement, they are intertwined into Palestinian society. If you were ever in Palestine you would know this. But no, better to act on hearsay isn't it.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL4273371._CH_.2400

Yeah good old Hamas.

IrishTonyO

Yeah I am slightly heartened to hear Michael Martin saying it is an illegal blockade and also by Brian Cowen calling for an international enquiry and this is not acceptable. Robert Fisk on Newstalk now sayi8ng that Israel constantly uses the holocaust to justify it's own actions. Hopefully this is a sign that the government will do something this time.

PeakOutput

RasTa wrote: »

Just tell the truth for once. They wanted to distribute the aid

what do you mean just tell the truth for once?

prinz

Villain wrote: »

The blockade is illegal, they have no rights for such action in International waters

dlofnep wrote: »

That's the problem. Israel doesn't have that right.

wes wrote: »

No, they don't, as there control is illegal. They also claim to not be occupying Gaza, which is a clear lie.

Is Israel not at war with Hamas?

Glenshane Pass

prinz wrote: »

Who knows where arms might have come from. Where any other ship which may have met up with the convoy off shore post inspection may have come from etc



http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL4273371._CH_.2400

Yeah good old Hamas.

Yes, good old Hamas. I for one will take the word of Palestinian people, not some boy with a hidden agenda on the internetz.

Now, if you had any clue whatsoever, you would laugh at the suggestion that weapons could be on those ships. What a ****ing joke. Like Ireland could be a source of arms for a movement like Hamas...

stackerman

IrishTonyO wrote: »

Robert Fisk

Great reporter

Villain

prinz wrote: »

Is Israel not at war with Hamas?

That does not make the blockade legal and these ships were not Hamas ships they were Aid ships!

wes

prinz wrote: »

Is Israel not at war with Hamas?

The aid flotilla, wasn't being run by Hamas, but nice try with the old whataboutery. Once again, Israel engaged in a illegal act of piracy.

prinz

Glenshane Pass wrote: »

Yes, good old Hamas. I for one will take the word of Palestinian people, not some boy with a hidden agenda on the internetz....

What hidden agenda? I am no lover of Israel and have been boycotting Isreali goods for years. Apparently it comes as a suprise to others that things liks this happen.

Glenshane Pass wrote: »

Now, if you had any clue whatsoever, you would laugh at the suggestion that weapons could be on those ships. What a ****ing joke. Like Ireland could be a source of arms for a movement like Hamas...

I would laugh at that suggestion? Reallly? All the ships from Ireland were they?

IrishTonyO

prinz wrote: »

They have every right as Israel controls the seas off Gaza.

Israel does not control international waters!!!!

PeakOutput

keving wrote: »

Great reporter

if only people here were as reasonalbe as he and listened to everything he said instead of just the parts they wanted to hear

Nody

prinz wrote: »

They have every right as Israel controls the seas off Gaza.

Beyond the issue of control of the Gaza sea and a blockade which is not lawful; the problem is also that they took them on international water where they have no legal right to do anything (short of being in a state of war which Israel is not).

PeakOutput

IrishTonyO wrote: »

Israel does not control international waters!!!!

he didnt say that

prinz

Villain wrote: »

That does not make the blockade legal and these ships were not Hamas ships they were Aid ships!

wes wrote: »

The aid flotilla, wasn't being run by Hamas, but nice try with the old whataboutery. Once again, Israel engaged in a illegal act of piracy.

Whataboutery? No. Countries have the right to blockade ports and inspect ships coming and going from beligerent states/areas.

Glenshane Pass

prinz wrote: »

What hidden agenda? I am no lover of Israel and have been boycotting Isreali goods for years. Apparently it comes as a suprise to others that things liks this happen.



I would laugh at that suggestion? Reallly? All the ships from Ireland were they?

No, they weren't all from Ireland. Now, would you like to suggest a possible source of arms? Or would you rather admit that the suggestion is out of this world, and that you are trying to justify the attack on the flotilla?, in international waters.

Wow, would be nice idea, getting 600 people to keep a secret on the transfer of arms through the various customs checks, concealed in a load of aid, to Hamas.