Israel attacks Aid Flotilla. At least 2 dead

Augmerson

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Does anyone here really think that a flotilla of ships, sponsored by the Islamist Erdogan and his lackies elsewhere, really departed for Gaza with NO military provisions stashed in its hold for use by militant groups in Gaza???

No, now shut up you quack.

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deadtiger wrote: »

Because if you sink a flagged ship from a sovereign nation like Turkey who are a member of Nato you are declaring war on them and ergo the whole of Nato.

Not exactly a way to deal with a allied nation.

Turkiye is already tied down in the Kurdish territories. Already struggling with EU Accession. And now they want a war with Israel?

Maybe Israel could have just disabled the engines, and allowed the Marmara to list and drift aimlessly......again, ask yourself, why do the Israelis want the ships intact and under their control?

Executing Turkish nationals, boarding a Turkish vessel and then impounding it are not too far removed from sinking it outright, or crippling it.

Again....Israel wants the ships and their contents intact. Why.

Nodin

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Does anyone here really think that a flotilla of ships, sponsored by the Islamist Erdogan and his lackies elsewhere, really departed for Gaza with NO military provisions stashed in its hold for use by militant groups in Gaza???

Yep. Too easy to intercept at a port, with a nice big unveil to discredit the whole aid effort and the campaign against the blockade.

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Augmerson wrote: »

No, now shut up you quack.

Thanks. Apart from yourself then, who else thinks there were munitions on board?

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Nodin wrote: »

Yep. Too easy to intercept at a port, with a nice big unveil to discredit the whole aid effort and the campaign against the blockade.

They had announced an intention to run the blockade and move on Gaza directly. If they had nothing to hide, why not allow an inspection.

sensibleken

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Does anyone here really think that a flotilla of ships, sponsored by the Islamist Erdogan and his lackies elsewhere, really departed for Gaza with NO military provisions stashed in its hold for use by militant groups in Gaza???

you can believe whatever you want. but if it is based on no evidence then it has no place in a reasonable discussion. the fact is no party is claiming that the ships were carrying any arms, unless you count sticks and if you are smuggling arms im sure hamas would appreciate something a little better than that

yoshytoshy

I Drink It Up! wrote: »

Does anyone here really think that a flotilla of ships, sponsored by the Islamist Erdogan and his lackies elsewhere, really departed for Gaza with NO military provisions stashed in its hold for use by militant groups in Gaza???

The facts stand as before ,if the boats were made of glass and full of ice cream ,they'd still have been stopped by isreal. The isrealis are in a sense ,creating a famine like something that happened in ireland.

gandalf

I Drink It Up! wrote: »

Does anyone here really think that a flotilla of ships, sponsored by the Islamist Erdogan and his lackies elsewhere, really departed for Gaza with NO military provisions stashed in its hold for use by militant groups in Gaza???

So you have no proof then.

By their actions the IDF have given Hamas and all its enemies a far bigger boost than if the holds of all those ships were packed with arms and got through to Gaza.

All the had to do is wait for the ships to hit their territorial waters or the ones they have stewardship over, board the ships normally during daylight hours and turn them away and there would have been no propaganda for any of their enemies. Instead they went for military over kill as usual and it has blown up in their faces.

halkar

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Does anyone here really think that a flotilla of ships, sponsored by the Islamist Erdogan and his lackies elsewhere, really departed for Gaza with NO military provisions stashed in its hold for use by militant groups in Gaza???

Did you actually read anything about this flotilla? It was not sponsored by Islamist Erdogan, it was sponsored by people of over 30 countries with almost all major religions. So far Israel have not found anything on these ships for militant use. Unless you know something that no one knows and can save the IDF and Israel from this shame.

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dlofnep wrote: »

Where is your evidence to prove that weapons were unboard?

I do not have any proof. Only evidence.

Israel took the ships intact. They are going to sift through the contents in their own time, and thats when the weapons will be discovered. It's probably already happening.

youcrazyjesus!

I Drink It Up! wrote: »

Does anyone here really think that a flotilla of ships, sponsored by the Islamist Erdogan and his lackies elsewhere, really departed for Gaza with NO military provisions stashed in its hold for use by militant groups in Gaza???

It would be extremely counter productive to do so and would defeat the purpose of the mission in the first place. It's hugely unsophisticated not to understand why this is. It's really very obvious to everyone.

There were no weapons. If there were Israel would have displayed them by now.

Hamas have their tunnels. They do not need weapons or supplies. It's the ordinary people of the Gaza concentration camp who need them.

alastair

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Again....Israel wants the ships and their contents intact. Why.

Because one of them contains the Ark of the Covenant?

Nodin

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They had announced an intention to run the blockade and move on Gaza directly. If they had nothing to hide, why not allow an inspection.

...because the Israelis would have blocked the supplies.....


Wheres your source for the arms claim?

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halkar wrote: »

Did you actually read anything about this flotilla? It was not sponsored by Islamist Erdogan, it was sponsored by people of over 30 countries with almost all major religions. So far Israel have not found anything on these ships for militant use. Unless you know something that no one knows and can save the IDF and Israel from this shame.

I understand you have sympathies for the Islamist thug Ergodan. That is your entitlement. I happen to believe that Israel took those ships intact for a reason, preferring to disable smaller ones.

gandalf

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Again....Israel wants the ships and their contents intact. Why.

Shortage of Cement for the Great Wall of David?

sensibleken

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They had announced an intention to run the blockade and move on Gaza directly. If they had nothing to hide, why not allow an inspection.

you seem to completely miss the point. the items on the ships were banned by israel such as medical supplies and construction equipment. although they may be banned they are still essential. if they were brought into port the israelis would not have allowed the materials into gaza. so what is the point of the convoy if theyre going to do what the isralis tell them.

israel has no more right to board that ship than an australian ship had

Nodin

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I do not have any proof. Only evidence.

You've neither.

Byron85

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I do not have any proof. Only evidence.

Israel took the ships intact. They are going to sift through the contents in their own time, and thats when the weapons will be discovered. It's probably already happening.

Christ you are full of **** aren't you.

Dar

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I do not have any proof. Only evidence.

Israel took the ships intact. They are going to sift through the contents in their own time, and thats when the weapons will be discovered. It's probably already happening.

How long have the ships been in Israeli hands? How long have the passengers and crew been interrogated for? And yet the only thing the Israelis have to show for themselves is a few kitchen knives and a slingshot.

paulaa

I Drink It Up! wrote: »

Does anyone here really think that a flotilla of ships, sponsored by the Islamist Erdogan and his lackies elsewhere, really departed for Gaza with NO military provisions stashed in its hold for use by militant groups in Gaza???

Yes and the aid came from 40 countries, not just Turkey. €20million worth of it.

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Nodin wrote: »

...because the Israelis would have blocked the supplies.....


Wheres your source for the arms claim?

The Israelis have already promised to run the supplies in overland.

I think, in the current climate, they can be held to that promise.

I think it funny to see people go on TV and claim that "This is innocent, there are no arms"

Sure.

As if a chance like this to get weapons into Gaza would be turned down.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Foxtrol

sensibleken wrote: »

no it isnt. the israeli military initiated the violence by boarding the crafts in international waters fully armed when no violation had been commited by the aid ships

So do you believe that the response from those on the boat played no part in causing the bloodshed on both sides?

duckysauce

wheres the irish boat at the mo?

yoshytoshy

I Drink It Up! wrote: »

Israel took the ships intact.

There is a major problem in itself ,isreal took ships on international waters.
I can't see any issues sending naval ships to isreal to collect the stolen property

the_syco

dlofnep wrote: »

Who else do you expect to be on a humanitarian mission, destined for Gaza?

BBC Journlists?

Pro-Palestinian activis = biased
IDF = biased

Journlist from non-linked country = less likely to be biased.

=-=

Anyhoo's, any comment on the boat question?

I Drink It Up!

Dar wrote: »

How long have the ships been in Israeli hands? How long have the passengers and crew been interrogated for? And yet the only thing the Israelis have to show for themselves is a few kitchen knives and a slingshot.

There were THOUSANDS of tonnes of Cargo. Be realistic.

Again, I am not trying to argue the point needlessly, if Israel wanted to kill, and wanted to confiscate the supplies...why not just sink the ships?

Byron85

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The Israelis have already promised to run the supplies in overland.

I think, in the current climate, they can be held to that promise.

I think it funny to see people go on TV and claim that "This is innocent, there are no arms"

Sure.

As if a chance like this to get weapons into Gaza would be turned down.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

You have no evidence whatsoever. The boat has been inspected by Turkish authorities and independent authorities. You are doing nothing but making disingenuous claims and are being purposely inflammatory. Your posts have been reported. Enjoy the thread while you can.

mrboswell

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

He's closer to the truth than you'd like I'm guessing. The passengers of the marmara seem to be a mix of naive right-on do-gooders, socialist worker party types, hardline anti-israeli turks and arab and iranian journalists.

What happened onboard was a pity but they should not have attacked the commandos, what did they think would happen.

So that makes it ok to mo them down with guns? While being attacked with broomsticks?

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duckysauce wrote: »

wheres the irish boat at the mo?

Ah yes, perhaps fittingly, the Irish boat, named after that poor child, is lagging behind.:mad:

alastair

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As if a chance like this to get weapons into Gaza would be turned down.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Too late - the IDF have already found the killer jars of pebbles (because Gaza has a shortage of same dontcha know).