Israel Kills 10 aid workers

Brown Bomber

I can't say any more because I am so ****ing angry right now. Is there any limit to what Israel is capable of?

CT is Isreali current and future denials of this and every other life they steal.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/10195838.stm

EDIT - type in title, should be 10

edit by bonkey - fixed title for you

Ken_Is_Here

A group of parliamentarians from European countries were also refused to leave a Greek-Cypriot port to join the flotilla.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2010-05/31/c_13324136.htm

What reason would anyone have for turning parlimant members away from a 'peaceful' flotilla?

rameire

Ken_Is_Here wrote: »

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2010-05/31/c_13324136.htm

What reason would anyone have for turning parlimant members away from a 'peaceful' flotilla?

the israelie army and navy knew they were going to storm the flotilla and shoot people so they denied the public representatives access to the ships.
its terrible what they have done to the people trying to bring aid to Gaza.
but imagine the international outcry if some of the dead were european and middle eastern representatives.

Di0genes

And this is a conspiracy er how?

super_furry

There's no conspiracy about Israel's actions. The blood on their hands is there for all to see.

Yitzhak Rabin

There's no conspiracy. What Israel did this morning was an act of piracy and cold-blooded murder. In my opinion, its indefensible.

My name is URL

The conspiracy will reveal itself when no action is taken against the Israeli defense forces over this

uprising2

I heard this on the 9am news this morning in the car, its sickening AGAIN!This is another atrocity by these zionist scum, they should be burned at the stake the dirty filthy basstards, and the cypriates/israeli's didn't want Irish oireachtas members joining the flotilla yesterday, wonder why?, maybe because they didn't want the slight embarrassment of killing a friendly nations officials even though they (israeli's) said they would tow the ships to israel and deport the crews, but they couldnt just do that, others would follow, so they showed just how they deal with anybody, they fukking kill them and make up a bullsh1t story, they're claiming they came under fire, my blood is boiling yet again because of these basttards, they are trying to wipe the Palestinians and anybody trying to help them from the map, I for one would like to see these zionist scum wiped off the map.

Somebody had prior knowledge of the coming slaughter, be it the israeli's or cypriots, and that is why these 3 Irish officials were denied access, its a fukking disgrace, the israeli embassy should be burned to the ground and their diplomats put on a boat and towed out of Irish waters, cut loose and told to fukking start paddling away, Ohh but that won't happen, a few harsh words and we're all pals again.

Helicopters halt Oireachtas trio in Gaza aid trip
THREE members of the Oireachtas have returned home claiming they were refused permission to leave Cyprus to join a flotilla heading to the Gaza strip with thousands of tonnes of aid.
Fianna Fail TD Chris Andrews, along with Sinn Fein TD Aengus O Snodaigh and Fianna Fail Senator Mark Daly, said they had been prevented by police helicopters, boats and port security from leaving Cyprus to join the flotilla.
Outrageous
"It is outrageous that Israel used its diplomatic force in this manner, behaving as if they are a law onto themselves.
"I would be concerned about what will happen when the flotilla arrives," the Fianna Fail TD said.
Mr O Snodaigh said this shows the level of pressure Israel exerted on the Cyprian government.
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/helicopters-halt-oireachtas-trio-in-gaza-aid-trip-2201208.html

Mahatma coat

I have just ben readin the thread in Politics about this.

this could be a good one for the Media Watch thread Idea.

Watch how this plays out
First we will have the muddying of the waters and soe mud slingin by the Israelis, its starting already, I was truly sickened to see the Israeli foreign minister spinning pure Bullsh!t about terrorist sympathisers attacking first.

then watch as thoses Sick spineless sh!tbags in countless governments worldwide ignore rational voices of the people they allegedly represent and instead curry favour with the Zionist.


The CT will unfold on this one over the next week or two, and then when they think everyone had forgotten we'll just have to keep labourin the point.

remember that the Blockade is illegal, unless its liftedthen no progress canbe made

Kepti

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pn-l_JltCB4

Al Jazeera footage from on board the ship.

bonkey

Mahatma coat wrote: »

First we will have the muddying of the waters and soe mud slingin by the Israelis, its starting already, I was truly sickened to see the Israeli foreign minister spinning pure Bullsh!t about terrorist sympathisers attacking first.

As a matter of interest...how do you know its bull?

I don't believe that the Israeli's had any right to board the ships, particularly in international waters, I'm curious as to how you can be so certain as to the sequence of events as to be able to proclaim that one version of it is wrong.

Is it just because its the Israeli version?

The CT will unfold on this one over the next week or two,

The cynic in me reads this as saying "There's a conspiracy here for sure, but we just don't know what it is yet".

Brown Bomber

edit by bonkey - fixed title for you

Cheers.

To clarify a conspiracy.

Take your pick:

Zionist infiltration of US government, the worlds policeman allows Israel, a criminal state to kill with impunity.

Zionist assault on everyday, ordinary decent Jews.

Israel's maniacal actions are going to make regular Jews outside suffer from anti-semitism. Which can lead to European Jews moving to Israel and solve a future demographic crisis.

Sadly, people will associate this murder with Jews worldwide.

Brown Bomber

An Israeli POV

According to the Telegaph, UK Israeli warships have attacked at least one of the six ships carrying pro-Hamas activists trying to breach Israeli sovereignty, killing at least 10 and wounding about 50:

Unfortunately, this is becoming another PR nightmare for Israel, who we believe should have threatened these Hamas sympathizers all along. Let this be a message to any "peace activists" who try to aid and abet the enemies of the Jewish people and Israel.

The emphasis was theirs.:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

They even post the flag of the murderous bastards the Israeli navy seals.




http://www.thejidf.org/2010/05/israeli-commandos-open-fire-after-being.html

bonkey

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Cheers.

To clarify a conspiracy.

Take your pick:

Its not a question of me taking my pick.

I was pointing out that prior to yoru post, no-one had raised any notion of a conspiracy, other then insisting one is there and we'll see it.

Offering a slew of possibilities which might be the conspiracy only seems to support what I hinted at....there's a conspiracy here somewhere....we just need to wait for someone to find it.

bonkey

Brown Bomber wrote: »

An Israeli POV

To be fair, that's not a million miles from saying a post on stormfront.org is "an American POV".

namloc1980

Mahatma coat wrote: »

this could be a good one for the Media Watch thread Idea.

+1. on foxnews.com earlier the headline read something like "10 pro-palestinian activists killed after attacking Israeli Navy"!!!!

Unreal!!! At the moment on foxnews.com they are claiming that the aid flotilla has Al Qaeda links!!!!! Can you believe that ****e!!

The IDF are nothing but murderous savages.

Ken_Is_Here

bonkey wrote: »

Its not a question of me taking my pick.

I was pointing out that prior to yoru post, no-one had raised any notion of a conspiracy, other then insisting one is there and we'll see it.

Offering a slew of possibilities which might be the conspiracy only seems to support what I hinted at....there's a conspiracy here somewhere....we just need to wait for someone to find it.

Would the fact that European Parliamentarians were blocked from joining the flotilla not indicate that there was prior knowledge or strong presumption from Isreali officials (be it government or military) that there would be loss of life?
If this were the case would you not take it that these officials had conspired in some way to either ensure loss of life or not try very hard to prevent it?

Brown Bomber

bonkey wrote: »

To be fair, that's not a million miles from saying a post on stormfront.org is "an American POV".

I think maybe you are confusing the JIDL with the JDL
http://www.jdl.org/index.php/home/

enno99

http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=176970

Upon boarding the ships, the soldiers encountered fierce resistance from the passengers who were armed with knives, bats and metal pipes. The soldiers used non-lethal measures to disperse the crowd. The activists, according to an IDF report, succeeded in stealing two handguns from soldiers and opened fire, leading to an escalation in violence

Utter bollox civilians taking guns from commandos

Brown Bomber

Former Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney, who herself was onboard an Free Gaza aid boat to Gaza last year and was kidnapped by the IDF has released a statement in which she warns to be wary of Israeli paid internet disinformationists.

I recently visited the offices of IHH, the Turkish humanitarian organization that sponsored one of the Freedom Flotilla
boats, and that was targeted by the Israelis for its murderous rampage.
Reports are still coming in as to the full extent of the senseless
Israeli violence. Of course, I expect Israel's apologists in the press
and in the United States government to shift into high gear to support
Israel's lying machine. Take note of their names. The 12,000 internet
squatters/written word grenade throwers, hired by the Israeli Foreign
Ministry to defend Israel and attack peace activists online, are already
busy spreading their orchestrated disinformation in cyberspace. Be
very careful what you read and believe from special interest press and
the internet. You could be reading one of Israel's hired hacks

http://dignity.ning.com/profiles/blogs/cynthia-mckinney-mourns-the-1?xg_source=activity

Brown Bomber

bonkey wrote: »

Its not a question of me taking my pick.

I was pointing out that prior to yoru post, no-one had raised any notion of a conspiracy, other then insisting one is there and we'll see it.

Offering a slew of possibilities which might be the conspiracy only seems to support what I hinted at....there's a conspiracy here somewhere....we just need to wait for someone to find it.

I didn't mean to put it like that.

Without any undue speculation this is a conspiracy.

It was a pre-meditated act of state-terrorism, a literal act of war on Turkey and Ireland of all places.

If that is not a conspiracy in itself, the conpiracy is the usual denial and spin of the "non-nuclear weaponed" "non-apartheid" "non-commiters of extra-judicial assasinations" "non-user of White Phosphourous on civilians" etc etc Israeli Hasbara committee.

That greatest tragedy of all is that this will all be forgotten in a couple of weeks and a few "don't do that again, its not very nice" statements, will be covered up by the press, and US/UK will let it go because of the power of the Jewish Lobby.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qypNDvEz_yI

PirateShampoo

I still dont understand why its being discussed here and not being moved to the politics or humanitys forums?

Yitzhak Rabin

I'm going to propose that the conspiracy is that Israel knew that its actions would lead to loss of life.

They boarded the vessel, which is completely unnecessary. With their military prowess and capability they could easily have just destroyed the rudder and towed the ships to Antosch if they really wanted to.

Secondly, they attacked in the dead of night. The only reason you do this is to create mass confusion and use this confusion to your advantage. This was a vessel of unarmed civilians. There was absolutely no need to create surprise and confusion, and we have witnessed the devastating results of such a stupid decision.

I think Israel knew very well that this would be the outcome of their boarding, and in fact planned it so this would happen.

EDIT: Also, the fact that they prevented the diplomats from boarding at Cyprus further points to the fact that they planned and knew this attack would be deadly.

I really hope Turkey uses this opportunity to get Obama to sanction Israel. If they order all American soldiers off their land, it would really fvck up the US influence in the middle east.

Brown Bomber

PirateShampoo wrote: »

I still dont understand why its being discussed here and not being moved to the politics or humanitys forums?

Look I appreciate this is a difficult time for you. Rupert Murdoch tells you Israel is good but on the other hand they have just cold-bloodedly massacred innocent peace activists.

This is truth trying to break through the conditioning imposed by the idiot box. Civilians have been murdered and this is all you can say? How is this not a conspiracy and UFO sightings are? or US buildup of troops are?
Or please just tell me why this isn't a conspiracy?

bonkey

PirateShampoo wrote: »

I still dont understand why its being discussed here and not being moved to the politics or humanitys forums?

Politics already has an almost-thousand-post-strong thread running, and there's a chance that people will move to dicsuss the conspiracy aspects

PirateShampoo

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Look I appreciate this is a difficult time for you. Rupert Murdoch tells you Israel is good but on the other hand they have just cold-bloodedly massacred innocent peace activists.

This is truth trying to break through the conditioning imposed by the idiot box. Civilians have been murdered and this is all you can say? How is this not a conspiracy and UFO sightings are? or US buildup of troops are?
Or please just tell me why this isn't a conspiracy?

Not a difficult time for me, il sleep soundly tonight because i dont give a monkeys uncle, all im saying is nothing is being discussed here thats isnt being discussed in 3 other sub sections on this forum.

Brown Bomber

Strong words from the White House :rolleyes:

“This morning between 10:00 and 10:15 AM CDT, the President spoke by phone with Prime Minister Netanyahu. He said he understood the Prime Minister's decision to return immediately to Israel to deal with today's events. They agreed to reschedule their meeting at the first opportunity. The President expressed deep regret at the loss of life in today's incident, and concern for the wounded, many of whom are being treated in Israeli hospitals. The President also expressed the importance of learning all the facts and circumstances around this morning's tragic events as soon as possible.”

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/readout-presidents-call-with-prime-minister-netanyahu-israel

Brown Bomber

PirateShampoo wrote: »

Not a difficult time for me, il sleep soundly tonight because i dont give a monkeys uncle, all im saying is nothing is being discussed here thats isnt being discussed in 3 other sub sections on this forum.

Your entitled to be blase, but I cannot fathom it for a second. This has left me deeply saddened.

Have you tried to get the threads locked in the other forums too?

My name is URL

yekahs wrote: »

I think Israel knew very well that this would be the outcome of their boarding, and in fact planned it so this would happen

+1 to that. For a relatively secretive nation (when it comes to Military and Intelligence) there seems to be a lot of videos defending the incident being uploaded to YouTube by official agencies.

Can't help but feel that these videos were made in the knowledge that the fallout against Israel would be severe.. and in that case it would suggest that they planned or at least knew how it would go down on the night

PirateShampoo

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Your entitled to be blase, but I cannot fathom it for a second. This has left me deeply saddened.

Have you tried to get the threads locked in the other forums too?

No just you'rs.

Got a conspiracy yet?

PirateShampoo

Wait il find a conspiracy for you.

What the hell did they think would happen after this?

Its video taken from 1 of the ships in the Flotilla

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo

PirateShampoo

You then have this video of lead ship ignoring Israeli warnings of trying to dock at Gaza and instead dock at Israel.

Why would they refuse to do that? Why would they refuse to have there cargo inspected?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6jDIQr59Sk

My name is URL

PirateShampoo wrote: »

Wait il find a conspiracy for you.

What the hell did they think would happen after this?

Its video taken from 1 of the ships in the Flotilla

They illegally boarded the vessel. You ask what did they think would happen.. well, what did the IDF think would happen when they stormed a boat carrying aid, in international waters.

They obviously shouldn't have attacked the soldiers like that but it doesn't change the fact that Israel made a conscious decision to carry out the assault in the first place

Brown Bomber

PirateShampoo wrote: »

Wait il find a conspiracy for you.

What the hell did they think would happen after this?

Its video taken from 1 of the ships in the Flotilla

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo

Pretend they are not white for a second...

Pretend they are Black Somali pirates and not Israel pirates.

Would you defend them? Did you defend the Somali pirates? If not, why not? Because they didn't have "links to Al-Qaeda".

What happened prior to this?

Why is there an edit at 22 seconds from this IDF video?...and others? What are they hiding?

PirateShampoo

My name is URL wrote: »

They illegally boarded the vessel. You ask what did they think would happen.. well, what did the IDF think would happen when they stormed a boat carrying aid, in international waters.

They obviously shouldn't have attacked the soldiers like that but it doesn't change the fact that Israel made a conscious decision to carry out the assault in the first place

They refused to turn away from Gaza port, what did they think would happen?

Why did they refuse to dock in Israel has per normal for Aid missions?

PirateShampoo

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Pretend they are not white for a second...

Pretend they are Black Somali pirates and not Israel pirates.

Would you defend them? Did you defend the Somali pirates? If not, why not? Because they didn't have "links to Al-Qaeda".

Is that your conspiracy? Linking to completely unrelated situations?

Yitzhak Rabin

The armed soldiers boarded their ship in international waters. They had no right to do so. They also attacked the ship unnecessarily, as I outlined, they could have just disabled the rudder.

Would you apply the same standards to someone who attacked a gunman who entered their home and was shot. Would you say, "What did you expect?" Why blame the victim, why not take the step back and ask the Israelis what they expected would happen when they illegally boarded a foreign nations vessel.

As for why they didn't want to go to Aschod(sp?) to have their cargo seized. I imagine it was because they didn'ty trust Israel to deliver the aid. The cargo was inspected by Turkish authorities, and Cypriot authorities prior to departure, and they offered to allow Israel inspect the cargo prior to unloading in Gaza.

Are you just arguing, for the sake of an argument, or do you honestly believe Israel acted appropriately this morning. I am a supporter of Israel in general. I even support the principle of attacking Gaza during cast lead, but to try and legitimize todays crime is futile imo.

PirateShampoo

Oh i agree it was a stupid military decision, but its not the first time a situation has gone balls up and it wont be the last.

But its also a stupid decision to attack armed commandos.

And if you where blockading a muslim country for what ever reason would you go on the word of another muslim country that they had searched the ships cargo?

My name is URL

PirateShampoo wrote: »

Oh i agree it was a stupid military decision, but its not the first time a situation has gone balls up and it wont be the last.

But its also a stupid decision to attack armed commandos.

And if you where blockading a muslim country for what ever reason would you go on the word of another muslim country that they had searched the ships cargo?

Turkey is a secular country, with no official state religion

Sparticle

From what I see both parties are in the wrong. Israel used disproportionate force and the flotilla should have surrendered (They were fighting Israeli commandos ffs). The people who would have been arrested could have made a perfectly legal objection and could have used the media to put pressure on Israel. I hope Israel are sanctioned for their arrogance but it is not only their fault.

Yitzhak Rabin

PirateShampoo wrote: »

Oh i agree it was a stupid military decision, but its not the first time a situation has gone balls up and it wont be the last.

But its also a stupid decision to attack armed commandos.

And if you where blockading a muslim country for what ever reason would you go on the word of another muslim country that they had searched the ships cargo?

Turkey is a secular state. Cyprus is a Greek Orthodox state. And they were allowed to inspect the cargo prior to unloading at Gaza.

PirateShampoo

yekahs wrote: »

Turkey is a secular state. Cyprus is a Greek Orthodox state. And they were allowed to inspect the cargo prior to unloading at Gaza.

Ok my mistake, gonna answer the question though?

Sparticle

This is all because of the eurovision. Revenge for low points.

CrinkElite

Sparticle wrote: »

From what I see both parties are in the wrong. Israel used disproportionate force and the flotilla should have surrendered (They were fighting Israeli commandos ffs). The people who would have been arrested could have made a perfectly legal objection and could have used the media to put pressure on Israel. I hope Israel are sanctioned for their arrogance but it is not only their fault.

Israeli commandos have no business boarding a ship in international waters. Would you roll over if they landed on our shores purely because they're "commandos"?

Yitzhak Rabin

PirateShampoo wrote: »

Ok my mistake, gonna answer the question though?

Not really qualified to answer, so don't know.

But if I was offered the opportunity to inspect the cargo myself prior to it being unloaded, then that would suffice.

PirateShampoo

yekahs wrote: »

Not really qualified to answer, so don't know.

But if I was offered the opportunity to inspect the cargo myself prior to it being unloaded, then that would suffice.

Which wouldnt of happened if they docked in Gaza.

PirateShampoo

CrinkElite wrote: »

Israeli commandos have no business boarding a ship in international waters. Would you roll over if they landed on our shores purely because they're "commandos"?

They didn't land on anybodies shores, they landed on a ship which was running a Blockade.

Illegal or not they did it and they where attacked has they did so.

If you where in the military and ordered to take the ship and was swarmed and attacked how would you respond when ur fearing for your life?

Sparticle

CrinkElite wrote: »

Israeli commandos have no business boarding a ship in international waters. Would you roll over if they landed on our shores purely because they're "commandos"?

There's a very big difference between a country and a ship. Israel were in the wrong so people who surrendered had nothing to fear as they were doing nothing illegal (Unless they were). Would you throw your life away over something so unnecessary?

20goto10

The conspiracy theory is that the ships were carrying weapons for the Palestinians.

The international community needs to try this again, only this time it should be a flotilla of war ships.

studiorat

Just to play devil's acrobat for a minute. Has anyone considered that the people on the ship may have purposefully encouraged and provoked the situation knowing exactly what would happen? Leading innocent people to be killed again.

I say this because it really is a bit early for the conspiracy theories...

EDIT: Indeed the Jewish leadership forced the British Mandates hand in exactly the same way in 1947 on a ship called the Exodus. The Jewish leadership encouraged this to arouse the world's conscience and win a battle in the war for international sympathy.

Sparticle

studiorat wrote: »

Just to play devil's acrobat for a minute. Has anyone considered that the people on the ship may have purposefully encouraged and provoked the situation knowing exactly what would happen? Leading innocent people to be killed again.

I say this because it really is a bit early for the conspiracy theories...

I have but from what I can glean it seems to be a bad mixture of naivety and over zealous support for a cause. Kinda like PETA.

Good conspiracy I was getting tired of DE JEWZZZ DID IT.