Angling Permits

CoalBucket

It's been years since i've done any coarse fishing but I have recently been given access to land with river access. (Blackwater, North Cork)

The coarse fishing i've done previously was on the Lee and being my younger days things like permits never bothered me.

Do I need a permit to fish on private land?

snow ghost

Depends on who owns the fishing rights to that particular stretch of the river - best for you to check with your local fisheries board.

The adjoing private land doesn't necessarily mean the land owner has fishing rights for the water.

SeaFields

snow ghost wrote: »

The adjoing private land doesn't necessarily mean the land owner has fishing rights for the water.

Is it a case that unless a landowner has leased the rights of the fishing to a third party then he/she has the fishing rights to any waters on their land?

coolwings

Is it a case that unless a landowner has leased the rights of the fishing to a third party then he/she has the fishing rights to any waters on their land?

Maybe. But only if they reserved that under the terms of the lease.
Like letting out your house but keeping a room for yourself. Only ok if written in the contract.

A lot of landowner-anglers let their bit to the club, and in return get a free membership or two. This allows them to fish their own part with no complications, and also to fish whatever other places the club controls.

CoalBucket: you may want to get a state rod license and tags for the Blackwater.

SeaFields

So if a landowner tells you to fish away on his land then you cant be stopped?

i.e. somebody can't come along and say we (a club, syndicate, etc) own the rights to this entire river if they don't have an arrangement with the landowner concerned?

snow ghost

SeaFields wrote: »

Is it a case that unless a landowner has leased the rights of the fishing to a third party then he/she has the fishing rights to any waters on their land?

A lot of landowners adjoining waterways in Ireland have absolutely no fishing rights to the rivers, etc, in the first place.

Regretably, it is a very convoluted matter that goes back to the LandLord system in Ireland - when the Land Lords basically owned all the land and the waterways.

Following Land acts and Independence, etc, it seems the waterways were largely left in Limbo and often nobody actually knows who legally has the fishing rights.

That said a lot of landlords or their estates still own the rights.

It is actually a disgraceful situation and should be adressed by the government.

snow ghost

SeaFields wrote: »

So if a landowner tells you to fish away on his land then you cant be stopped?

i.e. somebody can't come along and say we (a club, syndicate, etc) own the rights to this entire river if they don't have an arrangement with the landowner concerned?

Owning land doesn't automatically grant you fishing rights to any adjoining waterway.

So often landowners have no right to tell you to fish away.

coolwings

But they do generally know who owns the fishing rights.
Vagueness is often produced where one wishes they owned the property of another!

snow ghost

A valid point coolwings!

That said there are some very tenuous claims to fishing rights by land owners on Irish waterways.

What is particularly disgusting is that old style Land Lords or their heredetry descendants still have considerable rights as the water ways were never probably dealt with as the Land generally was following independence.

The song title 'Only Our Rivers Run Free' is a misnomer - they clearly don't.

CoalBucket

I'm more confused now than when I started.