Ivor Callely Expenses

Jaysoose

nohopengn wrote: »

Totally agree Jaysoose - Irish people do need to stand up and demand that corruption (in all it's forms) be properly dealt with. 1. Repayment of monies 2. Party expulsion 3. Criminal proceedings.

IMHO TDs', Bankers etc. would not have acted as they did, if we had a proper system in place.

The 'Bertie' ways of doing business have to leave this country once and for all

I agree with you but to hide behind the "system" when caught out is more of a concern, they know right from wrong but have set up the system to allow them to legitimise corruption. These people are reprehensible and the fact that there has been no action regarding this case yet is staggering to me as its simply fraud..

SeaFields

Sorry if this has been mentioned before but with FF saying they are going to remove the whip from Callely does that mean he is going to repay the money??

I couldn't care less if he is in or out of FF once the taxpayer isn't out of pocket. More fool me say ye for hoping it will be paid back.

Biggins

SeaFields wrote: »

Sorry if this has been mentioned before but with FF saying they are going to remove the whip from Callely does that mean he is going to repay the money?

No, it does not mean he is going to repay the money.
It simply means that someone in FF has decided (doing him really a favour) to save Calley's face & the dishonour of having to actually stand up and state for the record he is resigning the position.
The change of role to another person will now be done once again behind closed doors in a FF room somewhere - meanwhile Callely keeps his head down as much as possible from the public and cameras, hoping to ride out the storm!

SeaFields

Biggins wrote: »

No, it does not mean he is going to repay the money.

Sorry I worded that badly....i meant everyone seems to be under the impression that he did wrong, his own party included, yet I don't hear cries for him to repay these expenses.

Biggins

SeaFields wrote: »

Sorry I worded that badly....i meant everyone seems to be under the impression that he did wrong, his own party included, yet I don't hear cries for him to repay these expenses.

I suspect that some might be afraid to stick their head above the rest and call for such a payment - such a call from them might leave them open to attention brought upon themselves and when we're dealing with the media and the public, it might not be in a light either that could be beneficial to the person doing the calling either.

Those that wish to put themselves into the public eye, will only do so when their's is a win/win situation - not a win/lose one.
FF sure won't call for him to repay it back - sure they didn't call the many of their own previous to do so.
It would set a bad precedent for them and would be shooting themselves in the foot.
A lot of the opposition might not call for repayments back unless they that so do themselves are absolutely clear and clean of same abuses, to all degrees of possible claims, big or small.
The safest route for most of them will be to join in with the general opinions but any more than that, keep their mouth shut for possibly the above reason!

Lando Griffin

Not a bad pad.


http://www.hol.ie/west-cork_property/ireland_residential/Kilcrohane/detail.htm

Callely’s controversial pad up for sale

By Claire O’Sullivan
Friday, June 04, 2010
THAT long oul’ drive to Dublin must be getting to him as Senator Ivor Callely’s "current principal residence" is on the market.

A cursory glance at Clonakilty-based auctioneer Henry O’Leary’s website shows his sumptuous Bantry home on the market for €650,000.

Maybe he found the bucolic lifestyle isn’t all it’s painted to be? And, maybe rising at dawn to "milk the cows" every morning (when he wasn’t in the Seanad) just took its toll? Maybe despite the cosmopolitan nature of West Cork living, he is craving the urban grit and buzz of Dublin life?

Sources in West Cork believe he’s "not frantic to move" and that despite first putting the house on the market two years ago, he has never sought to adjust to the market by dropping the asking price.

Described as "beautifully built and perfectly positioned on a spectacular site" and "with breathtaking bay views", the former junior minister’s home is described (not unlike himself) as "unique".

With a floor area of 3,000 square feet, the auctioneers says it is a "a stunning setting for either a full time family home or a spectacular holiday home".

And we all know the depth of Senator Callely’s love affair with West Cork, deciding after he lost his Dublin North Central Dáil seat to ditch his Clontarf home so that he could make Kilcrohane his "full-time family home".

It appears now that it may not have worked out though.

The house includes an open plan kitchen/dining/sitting area with stone interior and slate floors, a living room and four double bedrooms. The site also includes the controversial detached garage which got Ivor into a bit of pickle with the planning authorities when it emerged it included even more bedrooms. His planning permission was for a garage and nothing more.

The Henry O’Leary website describes the Fianna Fáil politician’s home as having " one of the most amazing patios one is likely to come across".

There are about 40 pictures of the house online. With all the controversy this home has courted in recent years, it could be sold as "rich in political intrigue".

Read more: http://www.examiner.ie/ireland/callelys-controversial-pad-up-for-sale-121493.html#ixzz0pt7NOTT8

http://www.examiner.ie/ireland/callelys-controversial-pad-up-for-sale-121493.html

walshb

I don't know about anyone else, but I am sick and tired of hearing the lame and pathetic excuse that "it's the system." We ****ing know it is the system, but who the **** is riding the system, who set it up? And, they are riding the system BEYOND the norm too. They aren't happy with the corrupt and disgusting system, they want to corrupt it even more. This is what makes these people so despicable.

dan_d

Thinking about it, it's actually a bigger problem than just Ivor Callely.

Technically, he is entitled to move to Cork if he wants to, and still run for Dublin North. His mistake was having 2 houses, and listing the Dublin one as his residence (I believe that's the case - correct me if I'm wrong). Again, I could be wrong here but I believe that James Reilly of FG runs for Dublin North as he originally lived there, but his home and family are actually now in Tipperary. What happens if he's entitled to claim expenses?

So where do we draw the line?? I suppose we firstly need to make every TD/Senator register their various addresses, and then nominate one as a principal residence, where their family are residing. Should they move house, this also needs to be registered. Maybe we should also be looking at making them move constituencies along with the house???

It's a tough one, but I believe it can be regulated. I haven't time to come up with any more suggestions, but I do think it goes beyond the simple fact that Ivor Callely was screwing the system. We're back at tighter regulation...again...something these guys have failed miserably at.

jmayo

Lando Griffin wrote: »

Maybe he found the bucolic lifestyle isn’t all it’s painted to be? And, maybe rising at dawn to "milk the cows" every morning (when he wasn’t in the Seanad) just took its toll? Maybe despite the cosmopolitan nature of West Cork living, he is craving the urban grit and buzz of Dublin life?

I think it was the bull that fecker was milking. :rolleyes:
Oh and not forgetting the taxpayers. :mad:

Lando Griffin wrote: »

Described as "beautifully built and perfectly positioned on a spectacular site" and "with breathtaking bay views", the former junior minister’s home is described (not unlike himself) as "unique".

With a floor area of 3,000 square feet, the auctioneers says it is a "a stunning setting for either a full time family home or a spectacular holiday home".

The house includes an open plan kitchen/dining/sitting area with stone interior and slate floors, a living room and four double bedrooms. The site also includes the controversial detached garage which got Ivor into a bit of pickle with the planning authorities when it emerged it included even more bedrooms. His planning permission was for a garage and nothing more.

Yeah I was thinking how the old planning was handled.
Ah but shure isn't he one of the boys, no problem for non local building 3000sq ft house in very scenic area and shure throw in the old garage as well.

Meanwhile some farmers kid down the road has to jump through hoops to build a 1500 sq ft home behind a hill and covered by trees. :rolleyes:

stumpypeeps

Any chance we could stick Ivor on a Floatilla to Gaza?

He is the embodiment of everything wrong with Irish Politics. Screw as much as you can from the system. No moral compass.

bijapos

Seems his estate agent has upgraded the pictures of the house.



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Liam Byrne

dan_d wrote: »

His mistake was having 2 houses, and listing the Dublin one as his residence (I believe that's the case - correct me if I'm wrong). Again, I could be wrong here but I believe that James Reilly of FG runs for Dublin North as he originally lived there, but his home and family are actually now in Tipperary. What happens if he's entitled to claim expenses?

It's not that simple.

Even if he did reside in Cork, the fact remains that if he has a house in Dublin that he can use for overnight stays, then he is not entitled to claim the cost of a hotel or whatever, because he didn't incur the expenses.

Gunmonkey

stumpypeeps wrote: »

Any chance we could stick Ivor on a Floatilla to Gaza?

Dont give him ideas, he would claim it as his primary residence and charge us the cost of driving from the middle of the Med as expenses :rolleyes:

steelcityblues

Telling quote from Finian McGrath in today's Irish Times profile: “I have a good relationship with the other TDs, Sean Haughey and Richard Bruton. But no relationship whatsoever with Ivor. There is no love lost between us.”

Poly

Well, lang-ball has finally surfaced:

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0605/callelyi_butlerl.html

mike65

Knew he'd have to go, the other fella Butler also gone

allthedoyles

Some of these guys have been commuting by rail to Dublin for years and claiming mileage ............its about time it came to the surface

Poly

allthedoyles wrote: »

Some of these guys have been commuting by rail to Dublin for years and claiming mileage ............its about time it came to the surface

If you were a joe-soap, revenue would look for receipts going back 5 years, no receipts, no claim.

What's good for the geese....

Sir Oxman

Get the tissues out, Ivor wants you to pity him:

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/callely-my-emotional-crisis-after-poll-defeat-2209795.html?from=dailynews

And a footnote to this story:

"Yesterday, independent TD Jackie Healy-Rae revealed that he "regularly" shared the driving with another member of the Oireachtas when he was coming from Kerry, but he refused to say whether or not they both claimed mileage. "

Sulmac

Now a third Fianna Fáil Senator, Ann Ormonde, is being asked to explain her expenses after a report in the Sunday Business Post. Link.

Seems it's not limited to the Seanad either, James Reilly TD (of Fine Gael), has been the focus of an article in today's Sunday Tribune for claiming €32,000 in travel and sustenance expenses despite being based in north County Dublin (twice the average for a Dublin-based TD).

thebman

Seems FF's new strategy is to remove these people from the party to save the party while the **** flies and we'll have to wait and see but past incidences have shown that once the media fire dies down, these people quietly come back to FF.

jmayo

gambiaman wrote: »

Get the tissues out, Ivor wants you to pity him:

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/callely-my-emotional-crisis-after-poll-defeat-2209795.html?from=dailynews

And a footnote to this story:

"Yesterday, independent TD Jackie Healy-Rae revealed that he "regularly" shared the driving with another member of the Oireachtas when he was coming from Kerry, but he refused to say whether or not they both claimed mileage. "

Yep and it appears the bould jackie has been billing for €72 train tickets even though they can sometimes be gotten for €10 and as he is a 69 year old he is entitled to free travel pass.

He wanted to know why it was any of the Independents business.
Maybe it is in the public interest jackie.
Of course the apple doesn't fall far from the tree and there was incident where young healy rae journed courtesy of Kerry Co Co upto to Humbert summer school in Killala, Co. Mayo where he promptly signed in and seemingly disappeared.

BTW the same healy rae senior has been known to drag out an ould beat up banger come election time and puts the merc in the garage.
I hope the folks in South Kerry remember all these little expenses (and those of that other cretin o'donoghue) at next election but I doubt it.

thebman wrote: »

Seems FF's new strategy is to remove these people from the party to save the party while the **** flies and we'll have to wait and see but past incidences have shown that once the media fire dies down, these people quietly come back to FF.

Ehh except these are not TDs but senators, so it has no affect on Dáil majority.
Remember how they defended o'donoghue and o'dea. :rolleyes:

funnyname

Cute-hoorism at it's best!

"Why don't you go after Ivor Callely and the Dublin fellahs? Look, I have something else to do.

"In actual fact, I'm very busy. That's all I'm going to say to you -- and good luck."

thebman

jmayo wrote: »

Ehh except these are not TDs but senators, so it has no affect on Dáil majority.
Remember how they defended o'donoghue and o'dea. :rolleyes:

They aren't senators but they are starting to worry about the party image being associated with these types.

Yet I imagine they still want to keep them in the party so expect them to try to do it on the sly.

Biggins

thebman wrote: »

They aren't senators but they are starting to worry about the party image being associated with these types.

Yet I imagine they still want to keep them in the party so expect them to try to do it on the sly.

Yep, it all about distancing themselves when the going ain't so good but when it is so, they're all the best of mates (and back into the fold).

Sorry, some of us are not that stupid and remember...

Liam Byrne

thebman wrote: »

Seems FF's new strategy is to remove these people from the party to save the party while the **** flies and we'll have to wait and see but past incidences have shown that once the media fire dies down, these people quietly come back to FF.

All I read was that he had "resigned the party whip".

Am I wrong in thinking that that is different to "resigning from the party" ?

thebman wrote: »

Yep, it all about distancing themselves when the going ain't so good but when it is so, they're all the best of mates (and back into the fold).

Depends. They can choose to distance themselves from those in the Seanad because it doesn't affect their slim majority. But it's a different story when it's O'Dea or O'Donoghue, because their fingernails are desperately hanging on to the blackboard of power.

Jaysoose

So is he going to face prosecution and have to pay the money back?

and if not...why not?

steelcityblues

Jaysoose wrote: »

So is he going to face prosecution and have to pay the money back?

and if not...why not?

He will ride it out for all its worth, being of the brass neck brigade!

Liam Byrne

steelcityblues wrote: »

He will ride it out for all its worth, being of the brass neck brigade!

Lots of criminals and con-men are "of the brass neck brigade", but that doesn't stop them being chased or being held accountable when they step out of line.

thebman

Jaysoose wrote: »

So is he going to face prosecution and have to pay the money back?

and if not...why not?

because he is a politician and they make the rules they have to follow in this country and the electorate don't ask questions as long as they get the pot holes filled or vote for someone because their parents did.

As long as that continues we are doomed to this stupidity.

steelcityblues

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Lots of criminals and con-men are "of the brass neck brigade", but that doesn't stop them being chased or being held accountable when they step out of line.

Hope he is held accountable, but given recent history, I won't hold my breath!

Biggins

Jaysoose wrote: »

So is he going to face prosecution and have to pay the money back?

and if not...why not?

Prosecution? VERY doubtful.
Payback? I can only repeat an earlier posting I made:

I suspect that some might be afraid to stick their head above the rest and call for such a payment - such a call from them might leave them open to attention brought upon themselves and when we're dealing with the media and the public, it might not be in a light either that could be beneficial to the person doing the calling either.

Those that wish to put themselves into the public eye, will only do so when their's is a win/win situation - not a win/lose one.
FF sure won't call for him to repay it back - sure they didn't call the many of their own previous to do so.
It would set a bad precedent for them and would be shooting themselves in the foot.
A lot of the opposition might not call for repayments back unless they that so do themselves are absolutely clear and clean of same abuses, to all degrees of possible claims, big or small.
The safest route for most of them will be to join in with the general opinions but any more than that, keep their mouth shut for possibly the above reason!

He might end up somehow with an exiting payoff, perhaps a nice job somewhere less soon when the "noise" has died down and the spotlight is off him, and a nice pension to be sure.

Heisenberg.

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bamboozle

Scien wrote: »

Poor Ivor can't stall any longer. Public hearing today.

Does anyone think this will set precedence for more heads to go on the block?
Personally, I wouldn't mind if someone had a snoop at that chancer Healy-Raes receipts. If I remember correctly his expenses were in the region of €92k last year. The SINDO went after him there recently asking him why he was claiming €72 train receipts when as an OAP he is entitled to free travel. He basically told them to get stuffed.

Poor Ivor, i hope having 20 plus rental properties around the northside of dublin will be enough to subsidise his lifestyle after he latest attemtps to screw the state have been exposed.
more worringly, the max censure he can receive today is a 1 month suspension from the Seanad, i doubt he'd even be docked wages!

Healy-Rae and o'Donghue will both, no doubt, be re-elected by the good folk of Kerry in the next election just like the good folk of Tipperary and Mayo have been re-electing Lowry and Flynn for years despite the numerous blemishes on their careers.

steof1984

If the committee decide to make an example of him and “throw the book at him” by imposing the maximum punishment allowed, which is suspension from the Seanad (a bloody joke) Will his Senators pay be adjusted accordiangly?

Or will he just get paid to take a month off?

Deise Tom

Its not in front of senators the man should be, but a judge and jury.

Laminations

So in hindsight he would have done it differently (an admission that he can see it was wrong) but he won't pay anything back until someone else tells him he was wrong! Why does he have to wait for judgement? Listening to his incoherent babbling just reminded me of Bertie

bonzos

What all of these tossers are at is nothing short of white collar crime!It is so widespread in irish politics from local level right up to the to that we have just lost the will to care anymore....we are just here to pick up the bill.