Shooting in Cumbria [READ MOD NOTES IN POST #1 BEFORE POSTING OR READING]

Sparks

Mod Note:
This is the merged thread on the shootings in Cumbria and their aftermath, re-opened after a week or two, the moratorium being for the purposes of basic human decency.

We'd just like to remind everyone to take a re-read of the charter before posting here and to keep things civil. While we may face calls for legislative change as a result of this tragedy, many families have lost far more, and it would be appreciated if noone posted anything that they would never say face-to-face about this.

rowa

just seen the news from the uk, wait for the knee jerk reaction in the uk.

buckshotbrolan

rowa wrote: »

just seen the news from the uk, wait for the knee jerk reaction in the uk.

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rowa

buckshotbrolan wrote: »

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guy gone on the rampage with a shotgun.

jwshooter

it happened just after 10am ,looking at it on sky news ,shootings in cumbria . at least 3 dead ,he used a shot gun .

looks like he whacked himself in a wood.

Sparks

I think perhaps we should show a degree of good taste and not dive into speculation as to the long-term legislative effects in the UK before they've even notified the families of the casualties...

rowa

Sparks wrote: »

I think perhaps we should show a degree of good taste and not dive into speculation as to the long-term legislative effects in the UK before they've even notified the families of the casualties...

well they are already talking about firearms laws and dunblane and hungerford etc on the news so they aren't hanging around getting the poison in.

Sparks

rowa wrote: »

well they are already talking about firearms laws and dunblane and hungerford etc on the news so they aren't hanging around getting the poison in.

Yes, but wouldn't it be nice if we were better than that?

Jonty

may the victims RIP

jwshooter

for once i do agree with sparks

bunny shooter

A bad day for ALL shooting sports

Terrible tradegy

Vegeta

What a tragic loss of life

rowa

Vegeta wrote: »

What a tragic loss of life

yes and it appears there may be more fatalities. madness.

slippy wicket

What a tragedy, 12 people dead and 8 injured.

Sky talking about shotgun or "sniper" rifle being used and if legal or illegally held.

He must have been a very sick man.

tac foley

slippy wicket wrote: »

What a tragedy, 12 people dead and 8 injured.

Sky talking about shotgun or "sniper" rifle being used and if legal or illegally held.

He must have been a very sick man.

And sadly we'll never know why he did it, as he has put himself beyond OUR laws.

Was he another possible malcontent? A divorced man who was very quiet, kept to himself, did not socialise - what more will come out of the inquiry? Were the gun legally held? It is reported that they had been his father's, and left to him when he died. Hmmmmmmmmmm

One thing is for certain, things can only get more difficult for us over here.

More to come, no doubt of it.

Whether they be alive or dead, our thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families on this terrible day.

tac
Supporter of the Cape Mears Lighthouse Restoration Fund

Grizzly 45

Looks like a shotgun and .22rifle is what was used.Seems he got them from his dad when he died.So it is possible he didnt have a FAC or SGC for them.

Just what the UK and the world shooting community needs.Another ASSH**LE who lets his dog off the leash,and causes mayhem and the rest of us gunowners have to suffer the consequences...Say Goodbye to any chance of the pistol ban being loosened now in the UK.Not to mind giving our shower more excuses to go on about public saftey and preventing such tragedies happening here,and watch the UK become even more paranoid about guns and shooting.As if it wasnt bad enough over there...
Hope that F*UKER ROTS IN HELL!:mad::mad::mad:

jwshooter

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Looks like a shotgun and .22rifle is what was used.Seems he got them from his dad when he died.So it is possible he didnt have a FAC or SGC for them.

Just what the UK and the world shooting community needs.Another ASSH**LE who lets his dog off the leash,and causes mayhem and the rest of us gunowners have to suffer the consequences...Say Goodbye to any chance of the pistol ban being loosened now in the UK.Not to mind giving our shower more excuses to go on about public saftey and preventing such tragedies happening here,and watch the UK become even more paranoid about guns and shooting.As if it wasnt bad enough over there...
Hope that F*UKER ROTS IN HELL!:mad::mad::mad:

HAVE A LOOK AT POST 5 PLEASE .

rowa

His neighbours and people who knew the shooter have said that he wasn't a loner or nutter (until now) and was popular and well liked , but had some sort of row with someone last night and flipped.

J.R.

At least 12 killed in Cumbria shooting
By James Boxell, Home Affairs Correspondent . The Financial Times Limited 2010.

Published: June 2 2010 16:59 | Last updated: June 2 2010 18:21

A Cumbrian taxi driver shot dead 12 people on Wednesday before turning his gun on himself in one of the worst mass shootings to take place in Britain.

Police said a body believed to be that of the suspect, Derrick Bird, 52, had been found in a wood in the Boot area of the picturesque Lake District in north-west England.

Terrified locals and tourists were told earlier in the day to stay indoors as police launched a county-wide manhunt after reports of shootings in several towns across western Cumbria.

The first fatality was in the coastal town of Whitehaven at 10.35am before the gunman drove south, apparently shooting people at random. At least 25 other people were injured, three critically, according to Nigel Calvert, associate director of public health from NHS Cumbria.

Witnesses said the suspect drove through the town with a gun hanging out of his car window, before heading south through Gosforth and Seascale.

Stuart Hyde, assistant chief constable of Cumbria police, said: “We are still at a very early stage in our investigation and we are not able to really understand the motivation behind it – or establish whether this was a premeditated or random attack.”

Officers are investigating Mr Bird’s history, his access to firearms and what kind of licences he held.

Previous mass shootings in Hungerford in 1987 and Dunblane in 1996 led to greater restrictions on firearms.

Mr Hyde said there were more than 30 crime scenes after the “horrific” attacks. “This has shocked the people of Cumbria,” he added.

David Cameron, the British prime minister, told parliament: “When lives and communities are suddenly shattered in this way, our thoughts should be with all those caught up with these tragic events.”

The police said every armed officer in Cumbria had been involved in the manhunt. Helicopters and officers from other forces were brought in to help in the search for the self-employed taxi driver.

Lorraine Rimmer, who works for Stirling Cabs in Whitehaven, said Mr Bird had shot three taxi drivers following a dispute, apparently killing two and leaving another in intensive care.

“He had a dispute with a taxi driver yesterday morning which carried on into today. He absolutely lost the plot,” she said.

Mass shootings remain rare in the UK, which has stricter gun controls than many other countries.

The worst incident took place in 1996 when 43-year-old Thomas Hamilton killed 16 children and a teacher at a school in the Scottish town of Dunblane. He injured 13 other children and three teachers before killing himself.

In 1987, Michael Ryan shot and killed 16 people in the quiet Berkshire town of Hungerford. The 27-year-old seriously wounded another 15 people.

Bosco boy

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Looks like a shotgun and .22rifle is what was used.Seems he got them from his dad when he died.So it is possible he didnt have a FAC or SGC for them.

Just what the UK and the world shooting community needs.Another ASSH**LE who lets his dog off the leash,and causes mayhem and the rest of us gunowners have to suffer the consequences...Say Goodbye to any chance of the pistol ban being loosened now in the UK.Not to mind giving our shower more excuses to go on about public saftey and preventing such tragedies happening here,and watch the UK become even more paranoid about guns and shooting.As if it wasnt bad enough over there...
Hope that F*UKER ROTS IN HELL!:mad::mad::mad:

I think the real people who are suffering are the injured and the families of the deceased and not gun owners!!!!!! I'm not against gun ownership but lessons need to be learned also. Maybe we're all benifiting from a stringint firearms application process in this country or do we need this to happen here for us to realise that not every tom dick or harry should have the gun of his/her choice.

Grizzly 45

:rolleyes:Well,well, the first flyby post of the night!! You are not against gunownership,BUT.... Same as I'm not racist,I have many colored friends...BUT
If you havent noticed Bosco,that the UK has stringent firearms laws and guess what?? THEY DONT WORK!! But of course it will be the gunowners who suffer.After all ,if you could be botherd reading the websites the Baaaaann them crowd are out in force already.
No doubt the usual Banit crowd will be out tomrrow calling for more stringent gun laws,and nothing will change ,due it being more easier to aquire here or in the UK an illegal gun than a legal one.
As Einstein once said.The sign of insanity is repeating the same failure,again again and again and expecting different results.
Now why dont you go troll somwhere else???

Bosco boy

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

:rolleyes:Well,well, the first flyby post of the night!!
If you havent noticed Bosco,that the UK has stringent firearms laws and guess what?? THEY DONT WORK!! But of course it will be the gunowners who suffer.After all ,if you could be botherd reading the websites the Baaaaann them crowd are out in force alllready.As Einstein once said.The sign of insanity is repeating the same failure,again again and again and expecting different results.
Now why dont you go troll somwhere else???

Ya, your right its the gun owners who are suffering tonight!! I apologise, by the way i happen to hold a firearm certificate and I'm not trolling, There are 13 people dead!!!!! and 25 injured :mad:

Grizzly 45

Yes,it has happened!!What are we going to do about it FFS????WE CANT DO ANYTHING for them!!!Dont come on here whining and pussing when Dermo decides this is another "good reason to tighten up Irish gun laws".While we all sit in dignified silence and get run over like when Dunblane hit the UK.We have to be for once PRO active not RE active.For a Firearms cert holder you dont seem too worried that YOUR cert might be on the line soon..Remember whatever happens in the UK we must copy 100% with our slave mentality.

Tackleberrywho

Bosco boy wrote: »

I think the real people who are suffering are the injured and the families of the deceased and not gun owners!!!!!! I'm not against gun ownership but lessons need to be learned also. Maybe we're all benifiting from a stringint firearms application process in this country or do we need this to happen here for us to realise that not every tom dick or harry should have the gun of his/her choice.

Bosco boy, you appear to be a Garda or Reserve Garda
yes the people who are suffering currently are the poor individuals who received this cold and random act of violence.

As you should know if you are a Garda, in Ireland people wanting forearms have to get a sign off from their doctor.

have to have proved competent and be approved by gardai.

But politician's like to use issues like this as political footballs.

If a man is insane, danger to himself and others, why was he a public Taxi driver???
Who gave him the licence to DRIVE

jwshooter

Bosco boy wrote: »

I think the real people who are suffering are the injured and the families of the deceased and not gun owners!!!!!! I'm not against gun ownership but lessons need to be learned also. Maybe we're all benifiting from a stringint firearms application process in this country or do we need this to happen here for us to realise that not every tom dick or harry should have the gun of his/her choice.

its very sad what happened bosco .

possibly if you were familiar with the firearm legislation in ireland you might not have worded your disgust to what happened in a different way .

things happen in this world for what ever reasons we dont know at times . if the guy drove his taxi into a bunch of school children at a bus stop ,would we go on a witch hunt . possibly not .


so lets not start throwing stones in case one might land on your door step some time .

if your a religious person ,say a prayer for the departed .

jwshooter

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

:rolleyes:Well,well, the first flyby post of the night!! You are not against gunownership,BUT.... Same as I'm not racist,I have many colored friends...BUT
If you havent noticed Bosco,that the UK has stringent firearms laws and guess what?? THEY DONT WORK!! But of course it will be the gunowners who suffer.After all ,if you could be botherd reading the websites the Baaaaann them crowd are out in force already.
No doubt the usual Banit crowd will be out tomrrow calling for more stringent gun laws,and nothing will change ,due it being more easier to aquire here or in the UK an illegal gun than a legal one.
As Einstein once said.The sign of insanity is repeating the same failure,again again and again and expecting different results.
Now why dont you go troll somwhere else???

out of order ranting .

Grizzly 45

As you should know if you are a Garda, in Ireland people wanting forearms have to get a sign off from their doctor.

As they do in the UK,and we adapted this stupid intrusion into privacy from the UK after Abbylara.Fat lot of good it did in this case.

have to have proved competent and be approved by gardai.

As they do in the UK as well.As well as being signed off on the more stringent personal references.

If a man is insane, danger to himself and others, why was he a public Taxi driver???
Who gave him the licence to DRIVE

Dont think he was insane..It seems he was pushed to over the limit by life and people picking on him,and some sort of inheritance going pear shaped.
Not that thats an excuse.But maybe we should try walking a mile in his shoes??
Well, he would have been signed off by the local police force as well. for a taxi driver,but then again that has been effective too hasnt it ?How many rapist taxi drivers have there been as well in Ireland and the UK?This doesnt sort out the potential crime,just the known criminal.

Grizzly 45

STRIKE 2 JW!:rolleyes:

landkeeper

well mr Grizzly, as a firearms owner of 30 years and a father and husband i for one am glad that there are firearms controls in place that actually do inhibit the ownership of guns to some extent ,the fact that we have to jump through hoops to get what we want in my book is a good thing ,there are too many guns allready in this country and too many irresponsible idiots driving the roads and lamping where they have no right or reason .
on a sad and serious note there are families this evening who will not see their daughter son mother father again down to the actions of one unhappy soul for whatever reason he chose to do what he did ,whether they were his fathers guns or his they were i bet legally held , the fact that it was a .22 and a shotgun was maybe a blessing to some of the people who were around him , just imagine what might have happened if he had had one of the semi automatic see all kill all rifles you were lusting over the other day
it's time we all realise that gun ownership is a privelige not a right we live on a island where the biggest thing you can legally shoot is a red stag an annimal that is easily bested by a .270
no matter what you think it is down to percieved perception and a sporting rifle looks far less sinister than a ar15 lookalike to joe soap imho
i'll get my coat

It wasn't me!

This really isn't the time or circumstance. I'd like if we could all just display some respect and not bicker for tonight at least. There'll be plenty of time to discuss the ramifications later, but let's just be decorous on the very day of the tragedy.

Sparks

Closing this now before it goes completely off the rails and we have to do something less social about it.