The future of our community

chunkis

Hello everyone,

This thread is going to be about the future of the fighting game community here in ireland and what i can bring to the table in regards to pushing things forward, but its also going to be about what all of you guys can do to help make our community better.

As most of you know ive been livng in london for many years, while i was there i played a big role in the formation of the uks community, Ive seen websites and organisations come and go and ive been apart of them all, so i have a lot of experience within the community and i know whats required to establish one and make it work.

So i am going to form a new organisation, one that is going to support all of us. This thread is going to give you guys a general idea of what i am talking about.

so where do we start?

The first thing we need is a name, every establishment needs a name, we need a name to establish us as an organisation. Once a name has been decided and the website is up and running it will be the heart of our community, everything that happens in our community will go through the website. The website will cover all aspects of the community from the north to the south, it will cover news and events from all over and cover everything from media and articles to tournaments and ranking battles, videos and turtorials, podcasts, interviews and streams, technical support, a shop and much much more. This site is going to cover every fighting game, not just street fighter and will open our community up to the rest of ireland and to the rest of the world.

Once we have a base of operations, we can start to plan and organise things on a larger scale and implement everything we need to make things better for all of us within the community.

The way things are going at the moment are ok, the scene is alive and kicking and thats good enough for the moment, but we need to get organised. If the irish fighting game community is to expand or is to have anything like svb or evo in the future then its up to us to work towards it and make it happen.

This organisation is going to create a foundation for all us to build on, monkey made a post in the committee forum about an organisation, what he touched on was exactly what i am talking about now.

But unlike a committee this organisation is open to everybody in the community, whoever wants to join it and build on it is more than welcome to do so, there are so many different poeple in the community, all with different skills and abilities, this organisation is going to need all of us working together to make it a success.

This thread is going to help create this new organisation. Its going to be our voices all working together as one unit to share ideas and to build on top of what we have already.

I need you all to help me make this happen, ideas and suggestions are all welcome, but for now i would like all of you to start creating names and coming up with ideas for what we are going to call ourselves. Because we need a name.

With regards to streetfighter.ie its going to stay, ppc, jim and orim have done a fantastic job on it and hopefully it can be intergrated into the new site in some shape or form, but whatever happens its going to stay and those guys are going to play a big part of the new site. Everybody is going to have a massive part to play in this new organisation. Those of you who want it can have official titles, email address and contact pages so people from outisde the community know who you are and know what your about. With all the different areas the site is going to cover we are going to need a lot of people to run it.

Here is a list of what the site is going to need once its up and running.

admins/forum moderators/tournament organisers/judges for events/communityleaders/mediaexperts /desigers /writers/programmers/technical specialists and much much more,

Once we have this organisation established we can then push forward and use it to build and expand our community. This will be our committee. Everybody who works together to build up this organisation and help run events though it will be the bodies in control of what happens in our communty. There will be no voting, it will be simple, if you want to help out you can.

I already have website designers and people in place to get this project off the ground, whoever wants to help out can come forward, let me know what you can do, or what you would like to do. I can use everybody.

There is so much more to discuss, but at the moment there are other priorities the community needs to attend to, for right now this thread will hopefully give you guys an idea of what my plans are, with my experience in the uk i know how to make this work, but i need all of you working with me to make it happen.

So kick back and think about what we should be called and how it reflects on what we do.


If we work together we can achieve anything.


shoryuken!

chopperbyrne

Isn't the committee thread about the same thing?

chunkis

no its nothing to do with the other thread.

Mart0

This all just seems like a power struggle between some members trying to shape the community the way they feel is best.

Not saying this is a bad thing,I and everyone else know that everyone involved in the community only want the best and want to see us grow. However the idea of the committee is still pretty disputed so i don't see how this idea can go through without more arguing amongst ourselves and splitting the community further into "For" and "Against".

Don't get me wrong, I like this idea chunkis. I would love to see this happen and I would/will help as much as i can,but i am afraid that it will just splinter the community.

Sagat06

I like the clear plan you have in your head.

but is the new website really necessary, couldnt you just buy a domain and redirect it to sfie?

ayjayirl

chunkis wrote: »

no its nothing to do with the other thread.

I'm afraid it does. The only difference is that your proposal assumes that this should happen and provides a structure as to how. Alot of it sounds good to me but the point of forming the committee was to do exactly this. Without that it would be difficult.

Ramza

I'll gladly take on the role or at least help out in media/writing, only fields I'm experienced with from the above. I've got tonnes of free time on my hands so producing videos/writing or pretty much anything similar which needs doing ASAP I'd more than gladly aid

Can't think of a name though (well can but they're laughable) :pac:

chunkis

Mart0 wrote: »

This all just seems like a power struggle between some members trying to shape the community the way they feel is best.

Not saying this is a bad thing,I and everyone else know that everyone involved in the community only want the best and want to see us grow. However the idea of the committee is still pretty disputed so i don't see how this idea can go through without more arguing amongst ourselves and splitting the community further into "For" and "Against".

Don't get me wrong, I like this idea chunkis. I would love to see this happen and I would/will help as much as i can,but i am afraid that it will just splinter the community.

I know what your saying, you seem quite a logical guy after reading that, but ive been through this before, i know how to make it work and i know to keep a community together.

I helped build the uk community from the ground up, i was involved with every site from 99-2010 starting with gamingmatrixonline, which turned into cornertrap from 2001-2003, in between that was dynamic league, which was the first time i worked with shin and sho dragon from neoempire, who i met in 2000, then in 2003 came absolution, and then in 2005 neoempire was born.

Ive been through it all, i would still be running events in the UK if i had not moved to ireland, and the evo qualifier would have been in the UK, not to mention the launch event that wouldn`t have happend or the trip to cannes or all the free promo copies of super street fighter or anythng else, i know exactly what am doing with regards to the community and i know how to make it work.

The Uk is the biggest and the best community in europe, its got the best players, the most events, the most arcades and the most players. But it wasn`t always like that, i helped build it up, i was apart of every organisation that helped build the UK into what it is today. I remember what its like to get 3 or 4 people for a tournament, i know what it feels like to work your ass off and get nothing in return. But i know with enough hard work i can make our community as good or even than the UK, so that what i am going work towards doing.

I know what needs to be done and i know how to do it, Hopefully after reading and understanding whats going on the community will see sense and know that what i am doing is the best steps to move forward for the community.

If you or anybody else have a better way of doing things, let me know,
because i am open to listen to anything, but my way of doing things regarding the fighting game community have been tired and tested. Ive helped so many communities in europe build what they have today, and i know that i can help build ireland into one of the biggest and the best communities in europe.

chunkis

ayjayirl wrote: »

I'm afraid it does. The only difference is that your proposal assumes that this should happen and provides a structure as to how. Alot of it sounds good to me but the point of forming the committee was to do exactly this. Without that it would be difficult.

Sup AJ,

When i first came into the community here in ireland, i was almost shocked
at the the state of things, immediately i was on to people like doom, choppper, dreddy and terry about how to change things, its taken a long time for people to see my way of things, but everybody is slowly geting there.

I discussed a lot of what i am talking about now with a lot of the community when i first arrived, stuff about websites and forums and having a proper stucture and everything else inbetween, but it was hard to make people understand what i was geting at, it wasn`t until after cannes that people started to really open there eyes to what was beyond the XGC and what our community could achieve.

And it wasn`t until after then that i got to know most of you guys a bit better, to address what you said, i don`t want to force anything on top of this community, but i want to open its eyes to what can be achieved.

I am all for the community AJ and i will do whatever i can to make it better, i feel that these steps are whats best for all of us, i would not do something that i thought was going to damage this community, with my previous experience working within the community in the uk and around europe i feel it gives me the knowledge and expertise i need to execute this.

chunkis

Ramza wrote: »

I'll gladly take on the role or at least help out in media/writing, only fields I'm experienced with from the above. I've got tonnes of free time on my hands so producing videos/writing or pretty much anything similar which needs doing ASAP I'd more than gladly aid

Can't think of a name though (well can but they're laughable) :pac:

Thats great ramza, but i have much bigger plans for you, your a 3rd strike player, the best we have, there is a lot you can do for the community in ireland, we are not just supporting super street fighter 4, but every game.

I have big plans for everybody, even xinkai.

Sisko

Okay Chunkis deffo like some of the stuff your saying, or rather echoing from what monkeyto said in the other thread.


& I also would like to say I deffo appreciate your input on stuff as we're all aware of your experience with other fighting game scenes and what not.


But I just have a few issues here (hahaha don't I ****in always eh? :rolleyes:) That I feel I have to put out there.

And I say this with all due respect:

I wouldnt talk as much like your the all knowning guy here in the community and that we should all listen and do what you say , I'd just relax on this talk a bit as it just doesnt look great and might not get the type of reaction from people you're trying to get cause I fully know you mean well and all you want is the best for this community.

& lastly in defence of this scene - we have come a long long way - built some solid foundations , people such as Azza have achived great things and I'm proud of this scene and community.

I don't think smashing the foundations we've built and clearing it all away for a totally new thing all together is the best idea (what do I know right?:pac:) Those foundations being the current site and forums for example .

In a year we've become one of the biggest compititve gaming scenes in this entire country , so I'm preplexed at what your saying here :

When i first came into the community here in ireland, i was almost shocked
at the the state of things, immediately i was on to people like doom, choppper, dreddy and terry about how to change things, its taken a long time for people to see my way of things, but everybody is slowly geting there.

And what change of things do you mean ? It's certainly not like as a community we have not been constantly talking about ways to improve things, new venues and what not anyway? You make it out like no one was doing anything or discussing anything till you arrived?

I'm sure you don't really think that, I'm just pointing out that's the impression your post gives is all.

Ramza

chunkis wrote: »

Thats great ramza, but i have much bigger plans for you, your a 3rd strike player, the best we have, there is a lot you can do for the community in ireland, we are not just supporting super street fighter 4, but every game.

I have big plans for everybody, even xinkai.

Cheers chunkis, but do you think honestly I could do much for 3s, i mean isn't it pretty much dead in terms of scene etc? i'm still all for it

oh ok, just thought i'd put it out there, those are the two fields im good in outside of fg, if anyone needs a hand or anything is going let me know, more than glad

Sabre0001

Sisko wrote: »

& lastly in defence of this scene - we have come a long long way - built some solid foundations , people such as Azza have achived great things and I'm proud of this scene and community.

I don't think smashing the foundations we've built and clearing it all away for a totally new thing all together is the best idea (what do I know right?:pac:) Those foundations being the current site and forums for example .

In a year we've become one of the biggest compititve gaming scenes in this entire country :

Take out the words "one of" and you are right. Many communities and competitive areas could take heed from what this forum accomplished. I understand completely why Jazzy reacted with "Nooooooooooo" when faced with the prospect of things going wrong

I had to write an article for the eSports Yearbook 2009 (available to download from their site ) and the FG community was one that received plenty of praise (it's a long article but it's in there ). FG community is doing things well - it's just about handling the bigger and better things now...Hopefully it all unfolds well.

chunkis

Sisko wrote: »

Okay Chunkis deffo like some of the stuff your saying, or rather echoing from what monkeyto said in the other thread.


& I also would like to say I deffo appreciate your input on stuff as we're all aware of your experience with other fighting game scenes and what not.


But I just have a few issues here (hahaha don't I ****in always eh? :rolleyes:) That I feel I have to put out there.

And I say this with all due respect:

I wouldnt talk as much like your the all knowning guy here in the community and that we should all listen and do what you say , I'd just relax on this talk a bit as it just doesnt look great and might not get the type of reaction from people you're trying to get cause I fully know you mean well and all you want is the best for this community.

& lastly in defence of this scene - we have come a long long way - built some solid foundations , people such as Azza have achived great things and I'm proud of this scene and community.

I don't think smashing the foundations we've built and clearing it all away for a totally new thing all together is the best idea (what do I know right?:pac:) Those foundations being the current site and forums for example .

In a year we've become one of the biggest compititve gaming scenes in this entire country , so I'm preplexed at what your saying here :



And what change of things do you mean ? It's certainly not like as a community we have not been constantly talking about ways to improve things, new venues and what not anyway? You make it out like no one was doing anything or discussing anything till you arrived?

I'm sure you don't really think that, I'm just pointing out that's the impression your post gives is all.

Don`t you always

First things first, i don`t mean to come accross as some all knowing guy, you know me and you know what am about and you know i put the community first, and second, i don`t want to get rid of anything that this community has built, i am also proud of it too, because ive seen a lot of changes since ive been here and ive helped change things myself, but now is the time to push our community forward by establishing a proper organisation, one that has a name and a purpose, and a stucture that is going to take us down roads that we wouldn`t have even considerd going down before.

Ramza

Chunkis, does the name need to have irish or ireland or anything related in its title? yknow how UK is neo empire? i could think of a few if that's the case

chunkis

Ramza wrote: »

Chunkis, does the name need to have irish or ireland or anything related in its title? yknow how UK is neo empire? i could think of a few if that's the case

Neoempire was not suposed to be a community website, it was suposed to be shop to sell neogeo games.

Anyway neo actually means new, and empire, well i don`t think the british empire was in mind when neoempire was created.

The name can be anything, look at shoryuken.com for example, any name you can think of, something that sounds good, something thats easy to remeber and something that has meaning.

UberPrinny_Baal

When I was running the Smash scene, I called the Irish tournaments:

Tír Na Smash

Terrible pun, but a nice in-joke most non-Irish aren't going to get.

We could do something like ShraidFightoir.

chunkis

UberPrinny_Baal wrote: »

When I was running the Smash scene, I called the Irish tournaments:

Tír Na Smash

Terrible pun, but a nice in-joke most non-Irish aren't going to get.

We could do something like ShraidFightoir.

lol

Sisko

chunkis wrote: »

First things first, i don`t mean to come accross as some all knowing guy, you know me and you know what am about and you know i put the community first,

Ah yeah man I do, its just not everyone reading your posts will know you so I thought I'd better mention that is all.

deathrider

Cliche as it may sound, The Fighting Irish seems like a suitable name for an Irish fighting game community...

Ramza

deathrider wrote: »

Cliche as it may sound, The Fighting Irish seems like a suitable name for an Irish fighting game community...

People will probably find us looking for bare knuckle boxing

deathrider

Ramza wrote: »

People will probably find us looking for bare knuckle boxing

Throw a dragon punch in the middle of the bare knuckle fight. They'll never see it coming

UberPrinny_Baal

deathrider wrote: »

Cliche as it may sound, The Fighting Irish seems like a suitable name for an Irish fighting game community...

A name would be a tricky thing to decide on, but I'd prefer if it was something properly Irish, maybe in-jokey but definitely unique to us, and not something English or American (in your example, it's the nickname of Notre Dame).

Just my 2 cents.

Ry

Chunkis. I like you, I always have a laugh with you and I know where you're coming from but,

When I think street fighter I think "yay teh fightings". Not;

"organisations"
"committees"
"trying to open your eyes..."
"big plans for you x, y and z people"
"its taken a long time for people to see my way of things, but everybody is slowly geting there." (Lol Morons)
"I know what needs to be done and i know how to do it"

Ok with that said I know you're not trying to come across patronising at all and I know you genuinely want to improve the scene but please don't take this the wrong way when I say this but this thread in general just seems like one big clap of the hands followed by rubbing them together and saying "RIGHT!" loudly with no actual direction or actions other than what I've observed people already humming and hawing about for the past couple of months in multiple threads in regards to "getting **** done".

My point is, what's the point of endless reiteration without it leading to anything?

I'm not being a dick either I'm just kind of bored of this little merry-go-round of arguments ye know so I'd just like to see something happen cuz there's a niggling feeling that things are at a point where the next action or lack of action even could really make or break them.

chunkis

Ry wrote: »

When I think street fighter I think "yay teh fightings". Not;

"organisations"
"committees"
"trying to open your eyes..."
"big plans for you x, y and z people"
"its taken a long time for people to see my way of things, but everybody is slowly geting there." (Lol Morons)
"I know what needs to be done and i know how to do it"

Ok with that said I know you're not trying to come across patronising at all and I know you genuinely want to improve the scene but please don't take this the wrong way when I say this but this thread in general just seems like one big clap of the hands followed by rubbing them together and saying "RIGHT!" loudly with no actual direction or actions other than what I've observed people already humming and hawing about for the past couple of months in multiple threads in regards to "getting **** done".

My point is, what's the point of endless reiteration without it leading to anything?

I'm not being a dick either I'm just kind of bored of this little merry-go-round of arguments ye know so I'd just like to see something happen cuz there's a niggling feeling that things are at a point where the next action or lack of action even could really make or break them.

Sup Ry,

Your right, up until now things have been going around in circles, its been mostly talk and no action, But thats only because nobody has been taking any action or giving proper direction, but things are going to change, you, me and everybody else are going to change them together. But i am going to take the first few steps to push us forward. I know i talk a lot lol, but my words have a purpose and i will make sure that my actions are carried out.

I will do exactly what i say i will do, and that is to improve this community.

Over the next few weeks things will start to take shape and everything will become clear. I am done with all the talking and debating, now is the time to take action.

mr_kyle

chunkis wrote: »

Neoempire was not suposed to be a community website, it was suposed to be shop to sell neogeo games.

For what it is worth, finding Neo Empire was a real inspiration for me.

Despite the Evo Qualifier blunder which I put down to teething problems. Chunkis, I do think you are clearly out to do the community good. You might not like me after pulling your character change, but you should know I still respect you. Business not personal for me lol.

I would like to clarify why there is a need for two committees however? You mentioned this one was different from the other one?

chunkis

mr_kyle wrote: »

For what it is worth, finding Neo Empire was a real inspiration for me.

Despite the Evo Qualifier blunder which I put down to teething problems. Chunkis, I do think you are clearly out to do the community good. You might not like me after pulling your character change, but you should know I still respect you. Business not personal for me lol.

I would like to clarify why there is a need for two committees however? You mentioned this one was different from the other one?

I don`t dislike you in anyway kyle, i was upset because what you did was wrong, as a tournament organiser you need to be clear about the rules before hand and make sure the players know the rules too, but its in the past don`t worry about it.

What i am creating is not a committee, if people want to dick around with a committee let them, I have bigger plans in mind for this community.

koHd

Get your organization registered. Get somebody that has run successful organizations/clubs in Ireland to mentor you.

Get government grants. A physical base for meet ups and administration may be obtained through grants.

Think like a football club. Play the benefits of kids being in your organization to local grant orgs.

This has been waiting too long to happen in gaming as a whole.

The structure, location and money will bring yous on leaps and bounds. Then we can all get on with the fun.

deathrider

koHd wrote: »

Get government grants. A physical base for meet ups and administration may be obtained through grants.

This sounds great in theory, but realistically would the governmenet really be interested in supporting an association which revolves around fighting based video games?

Sisko

No they wouldn't.

Dreddybajs

lol yeah, no chance imo