Rafa is gone.(mod warning @ post 762)

MementoMori

The Muppet wrote: »

There is no doubt Rafas downfall is due to his poor transfers , where the blame lies for that is open to debate.

Don't really want to get into it here but his record in the transfer market is pretty good.

A large part of the problem was the shocking state of the club when he took over and the large number of poor quality players throughout the club even down to the youth level.

In terms of players Rafa bought and subsequently sold, we have turned a decent profit (even allowing for a couple of high-profile flop).

The squad we have now is worth a fair bit more than what we paid for it, which is pretty much all down to Rafa's ability in the transfer market.

The Muppet

MementoMori wrote: »

Don't really want to get into it here but his record in the transfer market is pretty good.

A large part of the problem was the shocking state of the club when he took over and the large number of poor quality players throughout the club even down to the youth level.

In terms of players Rafa bought and subsequently sold, we have turned a decent profit (even allowing for a couple of high-profile flop).

The squad we have now is worth a fair bit more than what we paid for it, which is pretty much all down to Rafa's ability in the transfer market.

You're right that discusion is not for now.

DrumSteve

has any of this been confirmed by the club?

Cypher_sounds

MementoMori wrote: »

Don't really want to get into it here but his record in the transfer market is pretty good.

A large part of the problem was the shocking state of the club when he took over and the large number of poor quality players throughout the club even down to the youth level.

In terms of players Rafa bought and subsequently sold, we have turned a decent profit (even allowing for a couple of high-profile flop).

The squad we have now is worth a fair bit more than what we paid for it, which is pretty much all down to Rafa's ability in the transfer market.

Really? what because he bought Torres?

noodler

MementoMori wrote: »

Don't really want to get into it here but his record in the transfer market is pretty good.

Id say it was above decent - would go mental either way.

I would still agree that Reina, Alonso, Torres, Benayoun, Garcia, were all good whilst the flops are obvious.

One thing I would say, the likes of Bellamy and Crouch (and a few others) get labelled as flops because they were moved on relatively soon - I know Crouch was there longer - their moving on was conceieved by many as an admission they'd never be part of a title challenging team.

The fact they came in, did a decent job for a reasonably fee and then sold on for a profit should make them good signings in my eyes.

Some utd fans would say stuff like, literally to me, that if Bellamy and Crouch were such good signings then why aren't they there now?

RasTa

Des wrote: »

Fleetwood Mac are brutal.

If Fleetwood Mac was a football manager they'd have a severance package on the table.

Blasphemy...

Al has this on repeat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ombnqWR3eA

SlickRic

Cypher_sounds wrote: »

Really? what because he bought Torres?

yes, that's the only good player he's bought.

FFS.

Mr Alan

Cypher_sounds wrote: »

Really? what because he bought Torres?

You think he only ever bought one good player?

ShiverinEskimo

MementoMori wrote: »

A large part of the problem was the shocking state of the club when he took over and the large number of poor quality players throughout the club even down to the youth level.

Champions Leagues won with the inherited squad: 1
Champions Leagues won with his own squad: 0

If people are going to concentrate on that crazy night in Istanbul let's not glide over the fact his last major trophy was won with the team he inherited.

Mental Mickey

ShiverinEskimo wrote: »

Champions Leagues won with the inherited squad: 1
Champions Leagues won with his own squad: 0

If people are going to concentrate on that crazy night in Istanbul let's not glide over the fact his last major trophy was won with the team he inherited.

that was Houllier's team apart from 3 or 4 players that he signed that season.

Mental Mickey

DrumSteve wrote: »

has any of this been confirmed by the club?

No. But it hasn't been denied either.

Mr Alan

but yet it was players he bought along wit Gerrard who played the biggest part in the win. Namely Alonso and Garcia.

Cypher_sounds

Mr Alan wrote: »

You think he only ever bought one good player?

Absoultely not i was just making a point to the other poster about his post saying he has made a profit on players, dig this though:

Rafael Benítez bought 57 players for £230,676,000> http://www.lfchistory.net/stats_transfers_by_manager.asp?list=Get&manager_id=20&InOut=1


Rafael Benítez sold 69 players for £155,700,000>http://www.lfchistory.net/stats_transfers_by_manager.asp?list=Get&manager_id=20&InOut=0

DrumSteve

Mental Mickey wrote: »

No. But it hasn't been denied either.

so really, there has been 32 pages on here about what is basically,at the moment, a rumour?

ShiverinEskimo

Mr Alan wrote: »

but yet it was players he bought along wit Gerrard who played the biggest part in the win. Namely Alonso and Garcia.

Carragher was your best player in the tournament by some distance. Followed by Gerrard.

Chardee MacDennis

Mental Mickey wrote: »

that was Houllier's team apart from 3 or 4 players that he signed that season.

one wonders why Houllier didnt win the CL then?

JimsAlterEgo

It Was Hamann FFS and Dudek with that last minute save from Shevchenko that won that match

Mental Mickey

Cypher_sounds wrote: »

Absoultely not i was just making a point to the other poster about his post saying he has made a profit on players, dig this though:

Rafael Benítez bought 57 players for £230,676,000> http://www.lfchistory.net/stats_transfers_by_manager.asp?list=Get&manager_id=20&InOut=1


Rafael Benítez sold 69 players for £155,700,000>http://www.lfchistory.net/stats_transfers_by_manager.asp?list=Get&manager_id=20&InOut=0

Almost quarter of a billion and he had the cheek to say he hasn't been given enough money for transfers!!??

:eek:

ShiverinEskimo

BastardPrince wrote: »

one wonders why Houllier didnt win the CL then?

Cos he was shít.

Bounty Hunter

loving the ever changing thread title.

Suggested these 3 a while back (about a month or so ago during one of the numerous other Rafas leaving threads) but now others seem to agree they are Liverpools level:

Pellegrino
Roy Hodgson
Martin Jol

RasTa

Hah, who and why was the title changed?

ShiverinEskimo

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

loving the ever changing thread title.

Suggested these 3 a while back (about a month or so ago during one of the numerous other Rafas leaving threads) but now others seem to agree they are Liverpools level:

Pellegrino
Roy Hodgson
Martin Jol

I hope it ends up Martin Jol cos "Martin LOL" has a real fine ring to it.

Mental Mickey

DrumSteve wrote: »

so really, there has been 32 pages on here about what is basically,at the moment, a rumour?

All I'm saying is, that it looks like he is leaving, but that the club haven't officially confirmed it as of yet. This is probably due to the fact that his severance package is yet to be finalised.....??

Cypher_sounds

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

loving the ever changing thread title.

Suggested these 3 a while back (about a month or so ago during one of the numerous other Rafas leaving threads) but now others seem to agree they are Liverpools level:

Pellegrino
Roy Hodgson
Martin Jol

You should add an ex player in that mix someone like Steve Staunton :pac:

noodler

SlickRic wrote: »

yes, that's the only good player he's bought.

FFS.

Mr Alan wrote: »

You think he only ever bought one good player?

Only confirming what I have suspected for quite some time.

Slick is Alan's more moderate alter ego.

The Muppet

DrumSteve wrote: »

so really, there has been 32 pages on here about what is basically,at the moment, a rumour?

They're on page 84 on rawk

Chardee MacDennis

ShiverinEskimo wrote: »

Cos he was shít.

yet he bought players good enough to win the CL? Baros, Cisse, Biscan, Traore?

ShiverinEskimo

RasTa wrote: »

Hah, who and why was the title changed?

Most likely Frisbee. You know chicks - always trying to redecorate the place.

ShiverinEskimo

BastardPrince wrote: »

yet he bought players good enough to win the CL? Baros, Cisse, Biscan, Traore?

I forgot that being able to buy good players meant you automatically know how to manage them as a team.

Mental Mickey

BastardPrince wrote: »

yet he bought players good enough to win the CL? Baros, Cisse, Biscan, Traore?

No. They were whipped into decent shape by Benitez.

EDIT: How about Mark Hughes as the next manager?

whatawaster

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

loving the ever changing thread title.

Suggested these 3 a while back (about a month or so ago during one of the numerous other Rafas leaving threads) but now others seem to agree they are Liverpools level:

Pellegrino
Roy Hodgson
Martin Jol

I think they're probably the 3 most viable candidates to be honest.

Before someone jumps in -

- no, i don't think any of them are as proven as Rafa

But the way things have gone at the club, i think a change was needed and any of those 3 (i'd probably go with Jol at the minute) could turn out to be positive changes.

mike65

Tony Barrett webchat starting now.

http://timesonline.typepad.com/thegame/2010/06/liverpool-webchat-with-tony-barrett.html

The Muppet

ShiverinEskimo wrote: »

Cos he was shít.

Poor Ged history has been so unkind to him, it wasn't like that in his final few months at the club. I wonder if history will be any kinder on Rafa?

The Recliner

ShiverinEskimo wrote: »

Champions Leagues won with the inherited squad: 1
Champions Leagues won with his own squad: 0

If people are going to concentrate on that crazy night in Istanbul let's not glide over the fact his last major trophy was won with the team he inherited.

People seem to forget the other champions league final we got to

And that we were the better team on the night but managed not to win

SlickRic

noodler wrote: »

Only confirming what I have suspected for quite some time.

Slick is Alan's more moderate alter ego.

ha, nice!

i'm not even close to as pro-Rafa as Al is. but i will acknowledge how well he has done for us, flaws included.

i think i was justified in my response considering cypher did infer that Nando was our only good signing under Rafa. even you'd agree with that

SlickRic

Mental Mickey wrote: »

How about Mark Hughes as the next manager?

yet you want rid of Rafa?

a big fat no from me on wee Sparkplug.

ShiverinEskimo

The Recliner wrote: »

And that we were the better team on the night but managed not to win

Well that kind of evened things out for '05.

The Recliner

ShiverinEskimo wrote: »

Well that kind of evened things out for '05.

true but just pointing out that he got to another final with a team that he didn't inherit

Mental Mickey

SlickRic wrote: »

yet you want rid of Rafa?

a big fat no from me on wee Sparkplug.

Fair enough. Just a suggestion.

Mr Alan

ShiverinEskimo wrote: »

Well that kind of evened things out for '05.

But kinda kills your point about Rafa not being able to buy good enough players or only winning it cause of geds team

ShiverinEskimo

Mr Alan wrote: »

But kinda kills your point about Rafa not being able to buy good enough players or only winning it cause of geds team

I never said he couldn't buy decent players. I replied to the lad who said he inherited a 'large number of poor quality players throughout the club'.

You'd swear he took over Daggenham and Redbridge.

DrumSteve

The Muppet wrote: »

They're on page 84 on rawk

jeez...

Mr Alan

TB confirms that the players revolting resulting in his departure, is bollox.

spockety

Mr Alan wrote: »

TB confirms that the players revolting, hence his departure, is bollox.

Chances of players being at the club next season:

Tony Barrett:
Your list of players didn't come through Scott but I can probably guess who they are so I'll have a go:
Torres - 3/10
Gerrard 5/10
Reina - 9/10
Mascherano 3/10
Carragher 10/10
And one for good luck: Degen hopefully 0/10

Mr Alan

spockety wrote: »

Chances of players being at the club next season:

Tony Barrett:
Your list of players didn't come through Scott but I can probably guess who they are so I'll have a go:
Torres - 3/10
Gerrard 5/10
Reina - 9/10
Mascherano 3/10
Carragher 10/10
And one for good luck: Degen hopefully 0/10

Not good. Not good.

And there was me thinking that getting rid of Rafa meant we were keeping our star players who hated him.

~Rebel~

lol, most recent question

You probably won't answer this Tony like the last time; but 19 defeats, 11 in the league, with a team that finished 2nd last season... spent £17m on a crock and another £17 on a right back we didn't need more than we needed a striker, ale house football, and losing to teams who spent 1/10 of what we have over the past 6 years - and he didn't deserve the sack? LFC fans have "lost one battle"? - does Rafa pay you to write articles for him Tony?

Columbia

I'm trying to figure out which of the concepts being thrown around in this thread is the most bizarre.

So far it's a tie between Jamie Carragher being a realistic option for a managerial role, and Rafa being an unmitigated success in the transfer market.

Mr Alan

~Rebel~ wrote: »

lol, most recent question

good answer

Tony Barrett:
Hope you've got a good lawyer Rashid, accusing a journalist of taking backhanders is a clear libel. Particularly as at no point have I claimed that the Liverpool fans have lost a battle with Benitez going. I did say he has lost a battle. Your other criticisms are valid.

noodler

BastardPrince wrote: »

yet he bought players good enough to win the CL? Baros, Cisse, Biscan, Traore?

Leave the Bisc out of this.

Columbia wrote: »

I'm trying to figure out which of the concepts being thrown around in this thread is the most bizarre.

So far it's a tie between Jamie Carragher being a realistic option for a managerial role, and Rafa being an unmitigated success in the transfer market.

Didn't one person put this forward? One person out of everybody on this thread? I think you'll find the meat of the debate was on his character - no one really thinks Carra is manager material (now).

eagle eye

So still no official word that he has been sacked and we have 500 posts already.
Keep it going lads.

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