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Limerick Girls - Buns, Hoops and luminous Clothes?
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concussion wrote: »The Travelling Community are (is?) not an ethnic minority.
Not all people who live in caravans are travellers.
I really have to take issue with this. The Irish Government has thus far failed to recognise the Travelling Community as a distinct ethnic group (because it would obligate certain spending). However, not only do Travelling bodies lobby for the end of this denial, but the Irish Equality Authority and the Irish Human Rights Commission are both also calling on the government to recognise the ethnicity of Travellers.
An ethnic group...
Narroll cited in Frederick Barth, (ed.), Ethnic Groups and Boundaries: The Social Organisation of Culture Difference (Bergen, 1969), pp.10-11.…is largely biologically self-perpetuating; shares fundamental cultural values, realized in overt unity in cultural forms; makes up a field of communication and interaction; has a membership which identifies itself, and is identified by others, as constituting a category distinguishable from other categories of the same order.
Travellers only marry within the Travelling community; they have a number of cultural and social values that distinguish them from the settled community (including nomadism and their own language, Cant/Gammon) and, most importantly, recognise themselves as being distinct from other communities (which is important in ensuring that they will not be overrun by the dominant ethnicity [i.e. the Irish settled community]). While Travellers bear many similarities with the dominant ethnicity - such as being white and Roman Catholic - they are, undeniably, a distinct group within Irish society.
Northern Ireland (and the rest of the UK) recognises Irish Travellers as an ethnic minority... The implications are very real in cases of discrimination as well as the application of the EU Race Directive.
The Irish State has operated a policy of 'absorption', essentially, so as to create a nice, white, Roman Catholic settled homogenous society. This is not reality.
If Travellers were recognised as a distinct ethnic group, it would go a long way in alleviating the misunderstandings that exist in Irish society.
And to make my point relevant to the OP, Travellers' dress sense is definitely a cultural distinction
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bluedolphin wrote: »I really have to take issue with this. The Irish Government has thus far failed to recognise the Travelling Community as a distinct ethnic group (because it would obligate certain spending). However, not only do Travelling bodies lobby for the end of this denial, but the Irish Equality Authority and the Irish Human Rights Commission are both also calling on the government to recognise the ethnicity of Travellers.
An ethnic group...
Narroll cited in Frederick Barth, (ed.), Ethnic Groups and Boundaries: The Social Organisation of Culture Difference (Bergen, 1969), pp.10-11.
Travellers only marry within the Travelling community; they have a number of cultural and social values that distinguish them from the settled community (including nomadism and their own language, Cant/Gammon) and, most importantly, recognise themselves as being distinct from other communities (which is important in ensuring that they will not be overrun by the dominant ethnicity [i.e. the Irish settled community]). While Travellers bear many similarities with the dominant ethnicity - such as being white and Roman Catholic - they are, undeniably, a distinct group within Irish society.
Northern Ireland (and the rest of the UK) recognises Irish Travellers as an ethnic minority... The implications are very real in cases of discrimination as well as the application of the EU Race Directive.
The Irish State has operated a policy of 'absorption', essentially, so as to create a nice, white, Roman Catholic settled homogenous society. This is not reality.
If Travellers were recognised as a distinct ethnic group, it would go a long way in alleviating the misunderstandings that exist in Irish society.
And to make my point relevant to the OP, Travellers' dress sense is definitely a cultural distinction
If travellers only marry within the travelling community, how did a number of travellers get married to members of certain families in the Weston area?
That's not a dig by the way, it is a genuine question.0 -
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bluedolphin wrote: »I really have to take issue with this. The Irish Government has thus far failed to recognise the Travelling Community as a distinct ethnic group (because it would obligate certain spending). However, not only do Travelling bodies lobby for the end of this denial, but the Irish Equality Authority and the Irish Human Rights Commission are both also calling on the government to recognise the ethnicity of Travellers.
An ethnic group...
Narroll cited in Frederick Barth, (ed.), Ethnic Groups and Boundaries: The Social Organisation of Culture Difference (Bergen, 1969), pp.10-11.
Travellers only marry within the Travelling community; they have a number of cultural and social values that distinguish them from the settled community (including nomadism and their own language, Cant/Gammon) and, most importantly, recognise themselves as being distinct from other communities (which is important in ensuring that they will not be overrun by the dominant ethnicity [i.e. the Irish settled community]). While Travellers bear many similarities with the dominant ethnicity - such as being white and Roman Catholic - they are, undeniably, a distinct group within Irish society.
Northern Ireland (and the rest of the UK) recognises Irish Travellers as an ethnic minority... The implications are very real in cases of discrimination as well as the application of the EU Race Directive.
The Irish State has operated a policy of 'absorption', essentially, so as to create a nice, white, Roman Catholic settled homogenous society. This is not reality.
If Travellers were recognised as a distinct ethnic group, it would go a long way in alleviating the misunderstandings that exist in Irish society.
And to make my point relevant to the OP, Travellers' dress sense is definitely a cultural distinction
Ah come off it will ya! their no more an ethnic minority than the man on the moon, use a pinch of common sense for gods sake, sure fire counts as a form of life as it fits all the required criteria "ON PAPER" but anyone with common sense knows fire is not a form of life. ffs.0 -
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bluedolphin wrote: »And to make my point relevant to the OP, Travellers' dress sense is definitely a cultural distinction
No, I'd not agree entirely, we do see 'settled' non traveller background people wearing the same clothes, the only difference is WHEN they wear them.
BOTH sets of people wear them to 'dress up' the only real difference is the travelling community seems to 'dress up' for every event. Another slight departure we find is that whilst a 'fashion trend' moves on with the settled community, the travelling community seems to stay stuck for much longer in a fashion trend and thus start to look different over time.
Traveller men also wear a certain fashion look, that back in the twenties and thirties [of last century] would not be distinguishable from the populous fashions of the day.
In Cork the traveller women would also have been indistinguishable wearing their shawls, the real difference was the baby under the shawl and as the shawl fell into disuse, the last of the shawlys would have been from the travelling communities.0 -
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