Rachel Corrie, Irish ship on Collision Course with Israeli Navy Near Gaza

prinz

Offy wrote: »

I certainly believe the Jews that killed the aid workers are evil, perhaps you would like to disagree?

...and the Jews you worked for in America fit into this how? The Jews of Dublin? The Jews of Budapest? The Jews of Tel Aviv? They are no different right? They make you sick too?

Run_to_da_hills

Offy wrote: »

I certainly believe the Jews that killed the aid workers are evil, perhaps you would like to disagree?

It was the work of the devil.

It can be seen in all the lies and deception that was subsequently exposed.

Offy

prinz wrote: »

...and the Jews you worked for in America fit into this how? The Jews of Dublin? The Jews of Budapest? The Jews of Tel Aviv? They are no different right? They make you sick too?

I see all the Jews that support the present state of Israel as evil tbh, it doesnt matter to me where they reside!

wes

prinz wrote: »

OK, so we're agreed that Israel and Jew are not synonomous and that there are non-Jewish Israelis who live in Israel, that 25% odd of Israelis aren't Jewish. Good stuff.
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Never said otherwise, but I guess you would need to change the goal posts.

prinz wrote: »

Ouch, you shouldn't have picked Iran. Second in the world for religious restrictions. Notably the Baha'i.

I picked Iran exactly for the reasons you outlines actually. I was showing how leading your question were, when the answer for every single one of your questions is still a Yes for Iran . The whole point was, that even a yes to every single one of your questions did not prove your point. So thank you for providing the information on Iran, and showing how all those yes, don't really mean a damn.

prinz

wes wrote: »

Never said otherwise, but I guess you would need to change the goal posts.

If you care to go back to the beginning to the post I was actually responding to (btw that wasn't you) you'd see I wasn't changing any goalposts, that Jews and Israelis are synonomous.

wes wrote: »

The whole point was, that even a yes to every single one of your questions did not prove your point.

The other info and the report do though tbh with regard to state religious restrictions.

wes wrote: »

So thank you for providing the information on Iran....

No problem. Enjoy.

Moomoo1

prinz wrote: »

So you are keeping with your 'Jews R evil' theme. Nice.

I am speaking from personal experience too. Friends. Jews from Israel, Ireland and the States

I think the correct formulation would be 'some Jews think they are better than you'.

I once accidentally met (in 1993) a very high-profile Jewish guy, Sir John Ritblatt. The guy was a racist who said that Jews were basically the best people in the world, and 'Russians are just peasants'. This is when he knew that we came from Russia.

On the other hand, many Jews keep their faith and their jewishness to themselves, and take particular care not to stand out from the crowd.

Really, Jews have their racists and non-racists just like anyone else. The problem is that fate has conspired to put Israel into a conflict where it holds absolutely all the trumps, and it acts accordingly.

and wes - Armenians and Jews are a lot safer in Iran than Arabs in the West Bank. That by itself speaks loads...

wes

prinz wrote: »

If you care to go back to the beginning to the post I was actually responding to (btw that wasn't you) you'd see I wasn't changing any goalposts, that Jews and Israelis are synonomous.

Fair enough.

prinz wrote: »

The other info and the report do though tbh with regard to state religious restrictions.

Actually no they don't, as I pointed out all kind of other discrimination by Israel towards non-Jews, who are simply 2nd class citizens.

prinz wrote: »

No problem. Enjoy.

Well, it always nice when someone else goes to the trouble to prove my point for me.

prinz

Moomoo1 wrote: »

Really, Jews have their racists and non-racists just like anyone else....

+1. Exactly right.

prinz

wes wrote: »

FActually no they don't, as I pointed out all kind of other discrimination by Israel towards non-Jews, who are simply 2nd class citizens..

Actually they did as far as state/governmental restrictions on freedom of religion goes which, again, if you go back to the origin of this was the point I was making.

What the report did show was 'social' religious issues/restrictions/discrimination which put Israel at the top of the naughty class.

ColmDawson

Fitzcaraldo wrote: »

Since those peski Israeli fish began building reefs there.

More like "pesci Israeli fish", am I right?

Eh? EH?

K-9

Jaysus, do you guys ever get over point scoring on multiple threads, here and on politics?

I thought Northern Ireland threads were repititive!

Nodin

Offy wrote: »

I certainly believe the Jews that killed the aid workers are evil, perhaps you would like to disagree?

The agents of the state of Israel who did it may be. However the fact that they may be Jewish (whatever that might mean) is really neither here nor there.

As regards working for people with a superiority complex, I can safely say all my employers have been Irish gentiles, and they had amongst their number some singularily unlovely, arrogant, snobbish nepotistic bastards who seemed to think the sun shone out their arses.

Offy

Nodin wrote: »

The agents of the state of Israel who did it may be. However the fact that they may be Jewish (whatever that might mean) is really neither here nor there.

As regards working for people with a superiority complex, I can safely say all my employers have been Irish gentiles, and they had amongst their number some singularily unlovely, arrogant, snobbish nepotistic bastards who seemed to think the sun shone out their arses.

The fact that they are Jewish is only relevant as thats the excuse that the Israeli government are using. To the Israeli government or others like them any excuse will do. Religion, weapons of mass destruction, etc. but unlike the weapons of mass destruction excuse there are plenty of Jews in Israel that are turning a blind eye because they are to 'sheepish' to stand up to their leaders and their fears. That fear has to be eradicated for peace to take place.
It was the same in NI a few years ago. What was different in NI was the British governments reaction to the IRA. There was a time when an IRA bomb would see innocent Irish civilians killed by British troops but that changed and the same changes are needed in Israel/Gaza Strip, West Bank. Israels government have to lead that change for it to work. If they dont the terrorists will continue to bomb civilians targets just as the IRA did. Then the troops will kill non-troops. The families of the innocents killed then become terrorists and the circle continue. The terrorists are not elected members of the government, they havent taken the responsibility of a country on their shoulders, the government members that order murders, the use of weaponry like white phosphorus, etc. have taken that responsibility. The Israeli government will continue to manufacture terrorists as long as they keep doing what they do. Thats where the real problem lies and thats where the Jews need to stand up to their own government in the state that they always wanted. When they got what they wanted they decided they wanted more. When does that end? What happens when Iran get the bomb? Thats where all this is heading and the easiest resolution seems to be to replace the Israeli government with one that doesnt slaughter innocents.
From where Im sat they look no better than Sadam and he was replaced. Why doesnt America and the UK step up to the plate again? They dont because the Jews outside Israel supply Israel with to much support.

wes

prinz wrote: »

Actually they did as far as state/governmental restrictions on freedom of religion goes which, again, if you go back to the origin of this was the point I was making.

What the report did show was 'social' religious issues/restrictions/discrimination which put Israel at the top of the naughty class.

Ok, I am done here. The above post shows how silly this has gotten.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Offy wrote: »

The fact that they are Jewish is only relevant as thats the excuse that the Israeli government are using. To the Israeli government or others like them any excuse will do. Religion, weapons of mass destruction, etc. but unlike the weapons of mass destruction excuse there are plenty of Jews in Israel that are turning a blind eye because they are to 'sheepish' to stand up to their leaders and their fears. That fear has to be eradicated for peace to take place.
It was the same in NI a few years ago. What was different in NI was the British governments reaction to the IRA. There was a time when an IRA bomb would see innocent Irish civilians killed by British troops but that changed and the same changes are needed in Israel/Gaza Strip, West Bank. Israels government have to lead that change for it to work. If they dont the terrorists will continue to bomb civilians targets just as the IRA did. Then the troops will kill non-troops. The families of the innocents killed then become terrorists and the circle continue. The terrorists are not elected members of the government, they havent taken the responsibility of a country on their shoulders, the government members that order murders, the use of weaponry like white phosphorus, etc. have taken that responsibility. The Israeli government will continue to manufacture terrorists as long as they keep doing what they do. Thats where the real problem lies and thats where the Jews need to stand up to their own government in the state that they always wanted. When they got what they wanted they decided they wanted more. When does that end? What happens when Iran get the bomb? Thats where all this is heading and the easiest resolution seems to be to replace the Israeli government with one that doesnt slaughter innocents.
From where Im sat they look no better than Sadam and he was replaced. Why doesnt America and the UK step up to the plate again? They dont because the Jews outside Israel supply Israel with to much support.

And give a big ol high five to my friend 'Run_to_da_hills' when you get there

Micky Dolenz

Can we get closing arguments please, Looks like we are nearly done here.

moonpurple

look up the american girl rachel corrie on wiki...it is all you need to know about this thread

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Corrie

:pac:

My name is URL

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Can we get closing arguments please, Looks like we are nearly done here.

I forwarded your request to the IDF.. but they have me on block

Nick Dolan

dont believe the hype

moonpurple

shalom nick

arybvtcw0eolkf

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Can we get closing arguments please, Looks like we are nearly done here.

The blockade is clearly wrong, its imposing impossible hardships on the innocent people of Gaza & strengthening support for Hamas.

The blockade should end and the Israeli's should learn to trust & place more confidence in UNRWA to distribute the aid.

The people on the flotilla were guilty of naivety when they tried to defend their vessel against an armed boarding, however the soldiers done what any other soldier would do in similar circumstances.. ie follow what you rightly believe were lawful order's in boarding the vessel, then when attacked act to defend your life, your comrades life and to prevent yourself (or your comrades) from being forcibly disarmed.

Its a tragedy that people died, but that was the consequences of their actions, it would have happened with any other nationality of soldier and not just Israeli's. Hopefully their deaths weren't in vain.

And thats the closing argument from me at least... Although when I'm full of gargle at some ungodly hour tonight/tomorrow morning that may change

Oh yea, and its a terribly small world. We've all got to share it & we should be careful who we cross swords & make things personal with.

Run_to_da_hills

Israel must apologize and compensate.

http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=178217

Nodin

Offy wrote: »

Why doesnt America and the UK step up to the plate again? They dont because the Jews outside Israel supply Israel with to much support.

No.

Javelin77

Don't expect any straight forward argument with jews. I always been neutral but the jewish nonsense is So lucid.


The only argument is eye for an eye blood for blood they leave you No choice but that.

HAIL NASRALLAH.

Nodin

Javelin77 wrote: »

Don't expect any straight forward argument with jews. I always been neutral but the jewish nonsense is So lucid.


The only argument is eye for an eye blood for blood they leave you No choice but that.

HAIL NASRALLAH.

The next time capsule back to the 1930's is due to depart soon....

Sonnenblumen

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Israel must apologize and compensate.

http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=178217

Israel must and will survive.

Micky Dolenz

Ok so we are done here.

If there are any developments on the story,
PM me and I will reopen it. Thanks