Nikon D90...bargain alert?

Nforce

Just spotted this on another forum

Nikon D90 Body for £604.30 delivered. There's a £60 cash back offer from Nikon too....so the price drops to £544.30 or €654.37* delivered!:cool: Seems pretty good to me!


*Conversion by XE.com

magicbastarder

delivered in the UK. no mention of charges for delivering to ireland.

Nforce

Delivery should be free to Rep of Ireland too...it generally is with Amazon. I've ordered lots of things from them before and have benefited from free shipping.

paulusdu

Do Amazon ship cameras and lens to Ireland?
I tried ordering a lens from them during the week only to be greeted with a message saying we cannot deliver this item to your jurisdiction.

DaireQuinlan

paulusdu wrote: »

Do Amazon ship cameras and lens to Ireland?
I tried ordering a lens from them during the week only to be greeted with a message saying we cannot deliver this item to your jurisdiction.

AFAIK Amazon themselves do (although for specific items you'll have to go through the checkout procedure I guess to make sure), but if you're getting something through some amazon 3rd party seller it's entirely down to themselves whether or not they ship here.

Nforce

Only 2 left atm...I'm sorely tempted to upgrade my D80 backup body, but my missus would kill me!:o

Tin Foil Hat

paulusdu wrote: »

Do Amazon ship cameras and lens to Ireland?
I tried ordering a lens from them during the week only to be greeted with a message saying we cannot deliver this item to your jurisdiction.

It depends on the seller.

magicbastarder

am trying to decide whether i can justify a move from my olympus system to a D90; herself has a D40, so does anyone know if there's an issue using (for example) the sigma 70-300mm *with* the motor (bought for the D40) on the D90?

DaireQuinlan

magicbastarder wrote: »

am trying to decide whether i can justify a move from my olympus system to a D90; herself has a D40, so does anyone know if there's an issue using (for example) the sigma 70-300mm *with* the motor (bought for the D40) on the D90?

Nope, all AFS lenses (and whatever Sigma call theirs) will work find with all Nikon bodies. Or at least Nikon bodies from the F4 onwards, and omitting some of the cheaper entry level film bodies.

magicbastarder

sound; i bought the olympus system because with the manual adapter, it allowed the use of all my OM zuiko lenses.
problem is, the viewfinder is so small (and with no split microprism) it's near impossible to tell when a shot is in focus. so the main reason for buying the E500 came to naught.

ozymandius

Hmm, just got a D90 + 16-85 from Bermingham's for €1200. The 16-85 was listed at €530, so even allowing for a bit of discount on that it makes the body alone good value. Go in with a load of cash and see what they'll do.

Sometimes bricks'n'morter can compete.

magicbastarder

did you get to shop around much? what were the other shops offering on the same combination?

anyone any comments on how a decent secondhand D200 would stack up against a D90? bar the lack of video, what would the D200 lose out on?

ozymandius

See my other post under Birmingham (sic) Cameras.

att73

magicbastarder wrote: »

did you get to shop around much? what were the other shops offering on the same combination?

anyone any comments on how a decent secondhand D200 would stack up against a D90? bar the lack of video, what would the D200 lose out on?

Mid to high ISO - no doubt about that & to a lesser extent the dynamic range, besides that gorgeous LCD! The JPGs from the D200 are useless, to see its potential you MUST shoot raw.

DaireQuinlan

att73 wrote: »

Mid to high ISO - no doubt about that & to a lesser extent the dynamic range, besides that gorgeous LCD! The JPGs from the D200 are useless, to see its potential you MUST shoot raw.

The flipside is that the D200 will meter with old MF AIS lenses, which none of the consumer level bodies will. This allows you to stick anything at all on the front of the camera and have it meter properly, bellows or other lenses through adapters, reversal adapters etc etc. I'd regard this as invaluable. The D300 is the D90 generation version of the D200, but I'd probably get a D200 over a D90 given the choice. Build quality is probably better as well.

magicbastarder

att73 wrote: »

Mid to high ISO - no doubt about that & to a lesser extent the dynamic range, besides that gorgeous LCD! The JPGs from the D200 are useless, to see its potential you MUST shoot raw.

DaireQuinlan wrote: »

The flipside is that the D200 will meter with old MF AIS lenses, which none of the consumer level bodies will. This allows you to stick anything at all on the front of the camera and have it meter properly, bellows or other lenses through adapters, reversal adapters etc etc. I'd regard this as invaluable. The D300 is the D90 generation version of the D200, but I'd probably get a D200 over a D90 given the choice. Build quality is probably better as well.

STOP COMPLICATING THINGS.

sunny2004

DaireQuinlan wrote: »

The flipside is that the D200 will meter with old MF AIS lenses, which none of the consumer level bodies will. This allows you to stick anything at all on the front of the camera and have it meter properly, bellows or other lenses through adapters, reversal adapters etc etc. I'd regard this as invaluable. The D300 is the D90 generation version of the D200, but I'd probably get a D200 over a D90 given the choice. Build quality is probably better as well.

WOw,, didnt know this at all, do you have the D200 or speaking from information gleamed over time ?

DaireQuinlan

sunny2004 wrote: »

WOw,, didnt know this at all, do you have the D200 or speaking from information gleamed over time ?

I half heartedly look into getting a digital body every now and again, so i've kept up with new releases. None of the consumer level bodies will meter with AIS lenses and in addition none of them have that mechanical linkage on the mount to allow for the aperture indexing. Cost savings for nikon, plus diffrentiation for the 'prosumer' bodies. There's no actual technical reason why they couldn't have enabled stop down metering at least.
The D100 D200 D300 D700 and above have the ai following tab and will meter with anything you stick in front of them.
Build quality thing is just a guess, they generally built the DXXX models a little better than the DXX ones, but I could well be wrong on that score.

magicbastarder

the build quality is better on the D300 than on the D90; more magnesium and less plastic in the construction, afaik.

sunny2004

magicbastarder wrote: »

the build quality is better on the D300 than on the D90; more magnesium and less plastic in the construction, afaik.

there is no camparison between the Build of the D200 and the D90.. I have both...

I really hate the Jpegs from the d200.. hence this thread, and my purchase of my second D90, but I have a d200 in the drawer I dont use but after reading the posts above I might take it out again, its practially un-used. shame to have it sitting there..

TinyExplosions

sunny2004 wrote: »

there is no camparison between the Build of the D200 and the D90.. I have both...

I really hate the Jpegs from the d200.. hence this thread, and my purchase of my second D90, but I have a d200 in the drawer I dont use but after reading the posts above I might take it out again, its practially un-used. shame to have it sitting there..

So does that mean that the build quality is the same, or that the D90 is better?

I'm now very confused, as I was about to pull the trigger on a D90 as an upgrade to the D50, but now I'm wondering if it's better to get a second hand D200.... always shooting RAW, it doesn't matter to me how bad the JPG quality is

DaireQuinlan

TinyExplosions wrote: »

So does that mean that the build quality is the same, or that the D90 is better?

I'm now very confused, as I was about to pull the trigger on a D90 as an upgrade to the D50, but now I'm wondering if it's better to get a second hand D200.... always shooting RAW, it doesn't matter to me how bad the JPG quality is

get the D90. My priorities are differant in that I have a pile of old AIS glass, adapted lenses and reversal rings in F-mount, macro bellows etc. I wouldn't be able to use any of those things trivially with the D90. Ideally nowadays I'd pick up a D300 or D700 instead naturally

sunny2004

TinyExplosions wrote: »

So does that mean that the build quality is the same, or that the D90 is better?

I'm now very confused, as I was about to pull the trigger on a D90 as an upgrade to the D50, but now I'm wondering if it's better to get a second hand D200.... always shooting RAW, it doesn't matter to me how bad the JPG quality is

The build quality of the D200 is totally different, its metal feeling, tough, the d90 is not in the same league build quality... I have both...

Nforce

D90 has better sensor and electronic gubbins, better iso capabilities and has HD video...D200 body is more robust, can meter with older glass but suffers in high iso situations.I've a D300 with a D80 as backup...if I were to upgrade the D80 I'd personally choose the D90 over the D200.
Horses for courses.

sunny2004

Nforce wrote: »

D90 has better sensor and electronic gubbins, better iso capabilities and has HD video...D200 body is more robust, can meter with older glass but suffers in high iso situations.I've a D300 with a D80 as backup...if I were to upgrade the D80 I'd personally choose the D90 over the D200.
Horses for courses.

I agree, if you are coming from a d50 then get the d90...

magicbastarder

the d90 does better on sensor performance than the D200 or D300, and a good part of the difference is on low light performance.

http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/eng/Image-Quality-Database/Compare-cameras/%28appareil1%29/203|0/%28appareil2%29/295|0/%28appareil3%29/294|0/%28onglet%29/0/%28brand%29/Nikon/%28brand2%29/Nikon/%28brand3%29/Nikon

TinyExplosions

sunny2004 wrote: »

I agree, if you are coming from a d50 then get the d90...

Fair enough folks, I'll go back to my original plan so!

Slidinginfinity

I've a D90 great piece of kit, but if you can swing the price a D300 will keep you happier longer.

TinyExplosions

Slidinginfinity wrote: »

I've a D90 great piece of kit, but if you can swing the price a D300 will keep you happier longer.

Yes indeed, but it's 700 quid more for the D300 -1500 euro against 800 for the D90, and that'll be a stretch!

magicbastarder

DaireQuinlan wrote: »

get the D90. My priorities are differant in that I have a pile of old AIS glass, adapted lenses and reversal rings in F-mount, macro bellows etc. I wouldn't be able to use any of those things trivially with the D90. Ideally nowadays I'd pick up a D300 or D700 instead naturally

handy guide:
http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/compatibility-lens.htm#dslr

DaireQuinlan

magicbastarder wrote: »

handy guide:
http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/compatibility-lens.htm#dslr

yeah, ken rockwell is good for something all right

magicbastarder

was in gunn's last night, and they had a secondhand D300 in stock.
they don't anymore.

DaireQuinlan

magicbastarder wrote: »

was in gunn's last night, and they had a secondhand D300 in stock.
they don't anymore.

oh nice one (presuming you actually bought it), best of both worlds. How much did you pay for it if you don't mind me asking ?

magicbastarder

€800. it's quite clean, and has 15,000 actuations.

also got the 35mm f1.8 - handy because herself has the D40 and 50mm 1.8, which means she's no autofocus with that lens, so if she takes the 35mm and i take the 50mm, everyone is happy.

DaireQuinlan

magicbastarder wrote: »

€800. it's quite clean, and has 15,000 actuations.

also got the 35mm f1.8 - handy because herself has the D40 and 50mm 1.8, which means she's no autofocus with that lens, so if she takes the 35mm and i take the 50mm, everyone is happy.

That's a good deal all right. I guess with a 6 month or 1 year guarantee as well ? good stuff.

magicbastarder

six months, i think. the lens wasn't included in the €800, mind.

Nforce

DaireQuinlan wrote: »

That's a good deal all right. I guess with a 6 month or 1 year guarantee as well ? good stuff.

A tad expensive I'd have thought.....mine cost me a lot less well over a year ago and with only ~4-5k actuations.

DaireQuinlan

Nforce wrote: »

A tad expensive I'd have thought.....mine cost me a lot less well over a year ago and with only ~4-5k actuations.

Where did you get it as a matter of interest ? Price MB paid is probably on the mid range of completed EBay listings, plus he's bought from a reputable retail outlet with a 6 month guarantee.

Nforce

I bought it off a photography site from a chap in London. No warranty..but none needed,thankfully, as the camera was/is mint...and came in original box with all the accessories and unused Nikon software.

magicbastarder

yep, mine was boxed with all the original contents, in the bags.

Nforce

Wear well,MB.:)

magicbastarder

cheers - i'm trying to figure out a good way to christen the time lapse function.

magicbastarder

very happy so far - here's one of the first shots (just wandered out at lunchtime), taken through glass; straight off the camera before i'd started twiddling some of the settings.
only PP was to straighten horizontals slightly. taken with the 35mm F1.8 at f5.6.

http://stroma.org/kevin/Picture009.jpg

image is 2.4MB, hence no image tags.

magicbastarder

two drawbacks i've found with the D300 so far - first may be something fixable in the menu (considering i never did a reset to factory default on it) - long exposures tend to come out oversaturated; they don't have the muted colours you'd expect in low light. it's as if colour registers more than light level when you do long exposures.

second, and this i was surprised by; it's not able to detect a change in light levels midway through a shot. i need to play around more to see if this happens in all metering modes, but last night i took a shot with the camera pointing at the ground, and then waved it around towards a source of brighter light - and it didn't change the indicated shutter speed from when it was pointing at the ground.



edit: balls, i did a full OS reinstall recently - just before i got the camera and think i have my colour profiles arseways. i was blaming the camera.

DaireQuinlan

magicbastarder wrote: »

second, and this i was surprised by; it's not able to detect a change in light levels midway through a shot. i need to play around more to see if this happens in all metering modes, but last night i took a shot with the camera pointing at the ground, and then waved it around towards a source of brighter light - and it didn't change the indicated shutter speed from when it was pointing at the ground.

There are probably a couple of archaic cameras or metering systems that do this (my SX-70 does it for example, and I think my XA) but as far as I'm aware there isn't a single DSLR or indeed SLR* that I know of that'll do it. The metering is done before the mirror flips up and the shutter opens, once that happens it's set and doesn't change.

*I have some vague recollection of some SLR or rangefinder that metered off the film as the shot was being taken but I can't quite recall which.

melekalikimaka

magicbastarder wrote: »

two drawbacks i've found with the D300 so far - first may be something fixable in the menu (considering i never did a reset to factory default on it) - long exposures tend to come out oversaturated; they don't have the muted colours you'd expect in low light. it's as if colour registers more than light level when you do long exposures.

even in raw?

magicbastarder

camera was taking in sRGB, i was processing in camera RAW as adobe RGB. i assume that has a lot to do with it; i can see a marked difference if i open a file as sRGB compared to adobe RGB.

magicbastarder

DaireQuinlan wrote: »

*I have some vague recollection of some SLR or rangefinder that metered off the film as the shot was being taken but I can't quite recall which.

i have this in my olympus OM2SP and OM4Ti; a quick google shows that it's not quite as common as i'd thought.

melekalikimaka

magicbastarder wrote: »

camera was taking in sRGB, i was processing in camera RAW as adobe RGB. i assume that has a lot to do with it; i can see a marked difference if i open a file as sRGB compared to adobe RGB.

damn gamuts