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Guns N' Roses - Irish Date Announced!

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    Well, I'm afraid I was more than prepared for the wait at Guns N' Roses and I find it very hard to understand why others weren't ..

    That's a very annoying thing to post, after all the reasons that have been given by people who attended the concert and have posted in great detail on this thread.
    All I know is every-time I've talked about Guns N' Roses in the past 10 years, everyone seems to be an expert on their late appearances ..

    They were not late the last time they played here.

    They were late at Slane, almost twenty years ago.

    Go back and read the comments on this thread a few hours BEFORE the gig and you will see that people (I being one of them) advised people not to expect Guns to show at 9pm, that it would be more likely be closer to 9.45.

    So quit your bulls**ting that people are acting surprised he was late.

    They are furious because he showed up at 10.30pm (90 minutes past stage show time) at a venue that has regularly enforced an 11pm curfew!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,473 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    Last post,
    Yeah right.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 93 ✭✭ticketsthere


    OutlawPete wrote: »
    That's a very annoying thing to post, after all the reasons that have been given by people who attended the concert and have posted in great detail on this thread.



    They were not late the last time they played here.

    They were late at Slane, almost twenty years ago.

    Go back and read the comments on this thread a few hours BEFORE the gig and you will see that people (I being one of them) advised people not to expect Guns to show at 9pm, that it would be more likely be closer to 9.45.

    So quit your bulls**ting that people are acting surprised he was late.

    They are furious because he showed up at 10.30pm (90 minutes past stage show time) at a venue that has regularly enforced an 11pm curfew!!

    I've read the reasons, don't you worry and I couldn't care less. Guns were on stage playing as normal and the crowd ruined this show for me. Axl did exactly what he's always headlined for doing. Fair enough in the RDS he was on time but no-one talked about that in the press near as much as they talk about his late appearances.

    This is not an Irish thing, this is a well known tradition of Guns N' Roses tours, even in the days when Slash and the lads were there. I don't mind people booing, giving out - Guns invite that trouble upon themselves but throwing stuff is well out of order and that's what caused all the trouble.

    If people are pissed then they've learnt their lesson. As for me, next time Guns come near Ireland I'll be there waiting with a nice big smile on my face, just like Belfast :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    Fair enough in the RDS he was on time but no-one talked about that in the press near as much as they talk about his late appearances.

    You expect the press to write articles about Axl turning up on time?? :rolleyes:
    I don't mind people booing, giving out - Guns invite that trouble upon themselves but throwing stuff is well out of order and that's what caused all the trouble.

    Even if nobody threw plastic bottles, they were annoyed and who was going to enjoy a gig while booing, it causes a bad atmosphere.

    If he had address the fact he was SOOOO late and that he had arranged a curfew extension, then people might have been more forgiving.

    "No curfew tonight, we're playing till after midnight .. so call your mommies cause we're gonna have some fun, you ready to rock Dublin"


    Something like that and he would have had the greatest audience (which is what Irish audiences are) eating out of his hand.
    If people are pissed then they've learnt their lesson. As for me, next time Guns come near Ireland I'll be there waiting with a nice big smile on my face, just like Belfast :D

    Go see Loaded next year when they tour the new album or Slash if he comes back, them lads actually appreciate and respect their fans.

    Get this, they actually come on stage at the advertised time.

    Honest.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,349 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Axl did exactly what he's always headlined for doing. Fair enough in the RDS he was on time but no-one talked about that in the press near as much as they talk about his late appearances.

    Why would they? He did his job, the job that the people that pay his wages payed hundreds of thousands for his to do. It all boils down to a complete lack of respect for his audience.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭KyussBishop


    Covering old ground obviously, but just because it's the "done thing" from Axl, doesn't mean he's not being a disrespectful asshole by doing that; people were/are right to be angry, and nobody should be required to expect a late showing, that is stupid.

    If you don't care about other peoples (very valid) reasons for being pissed off, don't post here?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 93 ✭✭ticketsthere


    OutlawPete wrote: »
    Go see Loaded next year when they tour the new album or Slash if he comes back, them lads actually appreciate and respect their fans.

    Get this, they actually come on stage at the advertised time.

    Honest.

    Haha :D, I regret not going to Slash actually. Tickets were long gone when I finally warmed up to the idea. Ah well, next time :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 93 ✭✭ticketsthere


    Why would they? He did his job, the job that the people that pay his wages payed hundreds of thousands for his to do. It all boils down to a complete lack of respect for his audience.

    Bottle throwing shows a complete lack of respect for the artist.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 93 ✭✭ticketsthere


    Covering old ground obviously, but just because it's the "done thing" from Axl, doesn't mean he's not being a disrespectful asshole by doing that; people were/are right to be angry, and nobody should be required to expect a late showing, that is stupid.

    If you don't care about other peoples (very valid) reasons for being pissed off, don't post here?

    Sorry, I didn't realize this thread was exclusively for people bad mouthing Axl. I'm not the mans publicist so I don't have to give two fiddlers about peoples grievances. I bought my ticket and took off work just like everyone else. Only difference is, I blame the crowd not the band for a ruined night.


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 11,373 Mod ✭✭✭✭lordgoat


    Sorry, I didn't realize this thread was exclusively for people bad mouthing Axl. I'm not the mans publicist so I don't have to give two fiddlers about peoples grievances. I bought my ticket and took off work just like everyone else. Only difference is, I blame the crowd not the band for a ruined night.

    No it's not but neither is it for fanbois ( i also love the term).

    For someone that doesn't give two fiddlers about peoples grievances you - signed up for boards and have 50 posts in a thread blaming the crowd and telling people they should have known better.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,349 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Bottle throwing shows a complete lack of respect for the artist.

    Don't think you'll find anyone at all arguing that. However, it would never have happened if Axl didn't keep everyone waiting for so long.


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 11,373 Mod ✭✭✭✭lordgoat


    Bottle throwing shows a complete lack of respect for the artist.

    Routinely turning up late and when you do decide to show up sulking like a little girl shows a complete lack of respect for the fans.

    The problem most people here have with you is you can't concede to this.

    While I and many others have no problem in saying that throwing anything towards the stage is not acceptable and should not be condoned.

    Take off the rose tinted glasses - pun completely intended.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,916 ✭✭✭RonMexico


    Everyone knows how much I have defended this band on here. However there is no defending this gig. I expected them to be late, I wasn't aware of the curfew so that wasn't an issue for me. However Axl handled that incident like a complete bitch. When he came back he further disrespected the fans. That frankly is a prickish attitude. **** him. I still love the band and the music and will defend Axls ability to still deliver an amazing show. But there is no denying that he is an utter bollix.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,034 Mod ✭✭✭✭whiterebel


    He does by leaving the stage :) But only if they throw ****, he doesn't mind the anger or the booing, it's the possibility of being hurt that makes him leave.

    He should have asked Stephanie Seymour and Erin Everley about being hurt by glass...........I'm sure they would have helped him :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,772 ✭✭✭johnn


    Think it was mostly traffic issues, same as AC/DC the following week. Took hours to get out/home..etc

    and they gave out free tickets for that! It took me well over an hour to make my way from near the front(but still outside the pit) at the Red Hot Chilli Peppers Slane Gig & can't even remember how long to get a bus and home.

    I don't understand the opinion that Axl didn't want to perform and wanted out of there sharpish so pretty much incited this as a way out of the gig early as some people have been saying. If that was the case why did he stick around on stage with the megaphone etc in the UK last week when the power was cut, seemed to be liking performing in those youtube vids of Reading or whatever it was.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 93 ✭✭ticketsthere


    lordgoat wrote: »
    No it's not but neither is it for fanbois ( i also love the term).

    For someone that doesn't give two fiddlers about peoples grievances you - signed up for boards and have 50 posts in a thread blaming the crowd and telling people they should have known better.

    Well I signed up a long time ago and haven't found another subject quite so engaging.

    If Axl haters are coming on in their droves to denounce the man, then fans are allowed to come along and support him Mr. Moderator.

    People want their grievances heard, hire a psychiatrist....maybe Axl can recommend one :).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 93 ✭✭ticketsthere


    Don't think you'll find anyone at all arguing that. However, it would never have happened if Axl didn't keep everyone waiting for so long.

    Sher what can you do? At least he didn't throw stuff at us :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 93 ✭✭ticketsthere


    lordgoat wrote: »
    Routinely turning up late and when you do decide to show up sulking like a little girl shows a complete lack of respect for the fans.

    The problem most people here have with you is you can't concede to this.

    While I and many others have no problem in saying that throwing anything towards the stage is not acceptable and should not be condoned.

    Take off the rose tinted glasses - pun completely intended.

    Well, no-ones forcing them to go back and at least Guns won't sell many more gig tickets in Ireland anytime soon :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,126 ✭✭✭darrenw5094


    Sher what can you do? At least he didn't throw stuff at us :)

    If he was a real rock star, he would have fired the plastic bottles back.;)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 93 ✭✭ticketsthere


    johnn wrote: »
    and they gave out free tickets for that! It took me well over an hour to make my way from near the front(but still outside the pit) at the Red Hot Chilli Peppers Slane Gig & can't even remember how long to get a bus and home.

    I don't understand the opinion that Axl didn't want to perform and wanted out of there sharpish so pretty much incited this as a way out of the gig early as some people have been saying. If that was the case why did he stick around on stage with the megaphone etc in the UK last week when the power was cut, seemed to be liking performing in those youtube vids of Reading or whatever it was.

    Ah Dublin was different, the band had left the stage and Axl tried to leave but MCD wouldn't let him. Apparently they threatened to sue GN'R if they didn't complete the full set so Axl was kind of forced to get back on stage and finish up.


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 11,373 Mod ✭✭✭✭lordgoat


    Well I signed up a long time ago and haven't found another subject quite so engaging.

    If Axl haters are coming on in their droves to denounce the man, then fans are allowed to come along and support him Mr. Moderator.


    People want their grievances heard, hire a psychiatrist....maybe Axl can recommend one :).



    LOL - fans are giving out about him, they are not all axl haters, something that seems beyond you to grasp. It also doesn't suit your argument though so i'd guess like most things that don't suit your point of view - you ignore it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 93 ✭✭ticketsthere


    lordgoat wrote: »
    LOL - fans are giving out about him, they are not all axl haters, something that seems beyond you to grasp. It also doesn't suit your argument though so i'd guess like most things that don't suit your point of view - you ignore it.

    Sorry Lordgoat, but I don't think I mentioned anything about them all being haters?

    Try to relax and remember it's not Tickets There you're mad at, I didn't ruin the night for you. If you don't agree with my points then that's grand but no need to go overboard making stuff up.

    As for ignoring anything, I have been trying to answer every single comment made my way for about 10+ pages. Please excuse me if I miss anything but I am also discussing this subject on other forums.

    If you think I ignored a point/s - Please reply with them now and PM me when they're there with the page number and I swear Lordgoat, I shall comment them fully.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 93 ✭✭ticketsthere


    If he was a real rock star, he would have fired the plastic bottles back.;)

    He's a different type of rock star ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 189 ✭✭fionnsda


    Anybody paying 70 euro to watch this band and are not happy about the ****e that happened have only got them selves to blame.
    axl rose is all washed-up!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 93 ✭✭ticketsthere


    fionnsda wrote: »
    Anybody paying 70 euro to watch this band and are not happy about the ****e that happened have only got them selves to blame.
    axl rose is all washed-up!

    He wasn't in Belfast :D, That was a savage show. Voice sounded great in Dublin to, people just got sleepy -it was waaayyy past their Wednesday bed time.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 245 ✭✭Dublinproud


    No Dublin just chose not to put up with his little antics and bow down and kiss ass.

    I for one am proud of that (not the bottle throwing but eveything else)

    I only wish the boos had've been louder and gone on for the entire show.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,916 ✭✭✭RonMexico


    There is talk in the papers of Axl being confronted aby fans while trying to leave the venue. Is there any truth to this?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    No Dublin just chose not to put up with his little antics and bow down and kiss ass.

    I for one am proud of that (not the bottle throwing but eveything else)

    I only wish the boos had've been louder and gone on for the entire show.

    Your name is quite apt :D

    I am too as it goes, and I am really proud of the fact that most people directed their attention and cheers to the rest of the band and almost ignored all of that.

    This was the one gig I didn't bring my camera too, can't believe how bad the footage has been.

    I would have shot some good HD footage of Axel standing and sitting at the back while the crowd went crazy for the DJ, Tommy and the Bummble Bum feller.

    Some good angle footage of that would make Axl look like a real spolit brat asshole.

    Also, nobody has said this, but did anyone notice that Axl kept watching the band as if he wanted someone to throw something at them?

    I think he hated the fact they the crowd were cool after they came back on.

    They had clearly told MCD that one more bottle and they were gone as when the band came back, everyone one of them, apart from Axl - came to the crowd and held up there fingers and said: "One more".

    I actually thought at the time that this meant they were just doing one more song.

    Maybe someone is sitting at home with some decent HD close-ups, if so - upload the stuff ya fecker :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    He wasn't in Belfast :D, That was a savage show. Voice sounded great in Dublin to, people just got sleepy -it was waaayyy past their Wednesday bed time.

    His voice wasn't too bad at all when he came back. I think it was due to him not moving or or wasting it on apologising to the crowd for being so late and treating them like sh*t.


  • Registered Users Posts: 168 ✭✭finhex


    lordgoat wrote: »
    Oh yes Danko got 90mins for a support act nothing strange about that...
    I don't understand these conspiracy theories at all...

    DJ played same 75 minutes set than previous night at Belfast.
    If I was there, an announcement after Danko Jones's set (that there had been a delay and, crucially, that there was no curfew in the venue) would have made myself and a lot of other people that night a whole let less rowdy.
    I have been GNR fan since 1989 so I wasn't surprised late starting time at all, but I agree that MCD should have been told audience that starting time is later than usually. At least these starting times should have been in the net before gig (like concert ticket says).


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,365 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    finhex wrote: »
    I don't understand these conspiracy theories at all...

    DJ played same 75 minutes set than previous night at Belfast.

    so danko came on stage at 8pm in dublin??


  • Registered Users Posts: 168 ✭✭finhex


    rossie1977 wrote: »
    so danko came on stage at 8pm in dublin??
    Yes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    Anyone know the what time the support (Danko?) came off stage in Rome and what time Guns went on?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭gooner99


    OutlawPete wrote: »
    Anyone know the what time the support (Danko?) came off stage in Rome and what time Guns went on?

    i think murderdolls finished approx 9:30 and guns came on approx 10:30 , pretty much the same tonight in milan.both shows went off without a hitch.pity mcd didn't announce the start times alright.


  • Registered Users Posts: 245 ✭✭Dublinproud


    Murderdolls came off at 9.35...Guns came on around 10.30 as far as i know.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,064 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    any truth in the rumour that axl hit a promoter ?? backstage at the o2 last week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,419 ✭✭✭allanb49


    He's a different type of rock star ;)

    Yeah, a washed up one, that suffers from delusions of grandeur and still thinks he's in the heady days when he was able to command this type of behavior and disrespect hard working people pay to see.

    He could get away with it 20 years ago but concert goers are now spending so much on over inflated ticket prices they want value for there hard earned money.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,854 ✭✭✭zuutroy


    10:30 again in Milan last night with no drama from the crowd, except boos for Ashba wearing the Milan jersey!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,842 ✭✭✭s8n


    ...might be time to let this one go lads....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 93 ✭✭ticketsthere


    s8n wrote: »
    ...might be time to let this one go lads....

    Agreed

    Time the moaners admit they’re just old now and no longer have an ‘Appetite For Destruction’ You folks have an appetite for curfews and adherence to schedules and all that palava. Stick with bands that provide that comfort and certainty and leave bands like Guns N’ Roses to those of us who like to see something different from the schedule ;)

    Enjoy the petty claims court all you folks who absolutely must have your 70 quid back ;)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,419 ✭✭✭allanb49


    Agreed
    leave bands like Guns N’ Roses to those of us who like to see something different from the schedule ;)


    I'll agree with you there, It's a band LIKE Guns n Roses. And certainly is something different.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 93 ✭✭ticketsthere


    allanb49 wrote: »
    I'll agree with you there, It's a band LIKE Guns n Roses. And certainly is something different.

    Oh you :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,382 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    zuutroy wrote: »
    10:30 again in Milan last night with no drama from the crowd, except boos for Ashba wearing the Milan jersey!
    I wonder if the venue had a curfew.

    I expect they got news GNR would be late and so hold back the support bands to make it seem all is normal.

    A lad on a TV program (TV3 I think) made a good point, they said MCD said they have a history of being late, so why did they not tell them the gig was to start at 7pm ;)

    They were also mocking him as being the "hard man" who boo-hooed at a few plastic bottles got thrown up -they showed footage of some teenage looking X-factor type lad who did a gig earlier in the week and got a bottle to the head and kept going, after just giving some mild comment.


  • Registered Users Posts: 716 ✭✭✭phil1nj


    Enjoy the petty small claims court all you folks who absolutely must have your 70 quid back ;)

    FYP

    In my case it wasn't seventy quid, it was a multiple of 70 (a whole number greater than 3 but less than 5 - you figure it out). I paid to see a professional musician put on a professional show. Didn't happen I'm afraid despite what your constant fanboi posts say here so its off to the SCC or maybe even the credit card company with this. Even if there's no money forthcoming from MCD, if enough people do it it'll play f*ck with their reputation as a promoter of concerts in Ireland.

    'nuff said.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,221 ✭✭✭BrianD


    In fairness to MCD this is not their fault and they made every effort to get the show back on the road and the show did go on.

    At the end of the day, the audience threw the bottles and the audience continued to throw the bottles after being cautioned by the artist. After this behaviour, the audience has no recourse to a refund.

    I can understand the fustration of the audience after being made wait an hour for a show but they didn't exactly help themselves when the band came on. At the same time, Axl Rose needs a reality check. It should be him that refunds the audience.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,642 ✭✭✭✭wolfmoon87


    RonMexico wrote: »
    There is talk in the papers of Axl being confronted aby fans while trying to leave the venue. Is there any truth to this?

    Yep - I was one of them!! Although he just ignored me and walked by.
    But some big guy got into an arguement with him. Didn't last long, and then Axl turned around was back through the gate (where the tour bus is).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,842 ✭✭✭s8n


    phil1nj wrote: »
    FYP

    In my case it wasn't seventy quid, it was a multiple of 70 (a whole number greater than 3 but less than 5 - you figure it out). I paid to see a professional musician put on a professional show. Didn't happen I'm afraid despite what your constant fanboi posts say here so its off to the SCC or maybe even the credit card company with this. Even if there's no money forthcoming from MCD, if enough people do it it'll play f*ck with their reputation as a promoter of concerts in Ireland.

    'nuff said.

    Good luck with that - technically the promoter hasn't done a whole lot wrong here. Let us know how it goes.


  • Registered Users Posts: 716 ✭✭✭phil1nj


    BrianD wrote: »
    In fairness to MCD this is not their fault and they made every effort to get the show back on the road and the show did go on.

    But surely MCD as the promoter should have done a better job of keeping people informed about what was going on. The point has been made already that some times even if the update is there is no update it lets people know that there is still someone at the wheel so to speak.
    BrianD wrote: »
    At the end of the day, the audience threw the bottles and the audience continued to throw the bottles after being cautioned by the artist. After this behaviour, the audience has no recourse to a refund

    I can understand the fustration of the audience after being made wait an hour for a show but they didn't exactly help themselves when the band came on. ..

    It was over an hour (and this was on top of the time that the support played an over extended set to try and keep the crowd entertained). Its been said already that not everybody in the crowd f*cked bottles at him, just a few piss*ed up concert goers who thought that it was clever to so. Mr. Rose himself should know about this seeing as he sang about it back in the day-
    Bad Apples Lyrics:

    "If it were up to me
    I'd say just leave me be
    Why let one bad apple
    Spoil the whole damn bunch"

    BrianD wrote: »
    At the same time, Axl Rose needs a reality check. It should be him that refunds the audience..

    And I'm sure this was the tact that MCD used to get him back on stage 45 minutes after he walked off. Doesn't help the punters who left the concert (for all the reasons that have been discussed to death here).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 93 ✭✭ticketsthere


    phil1nj wrote: »
    FYP

    In my case it wasn't seventy quid, it was a multiple of 70 (a whole number greater than 3 but less than 5 - you figure it out). I paid to see a professional musician put on a professional show. Didn't happen I'm afraid despite what your constant fanboi posts say here so its off to the SCC or maybe even the credit card company with this. Even if there's no money forthcoming from MCD, if enough people do it it'll play f*ck with their reputation as a promoter of concerts in Ireland.

    'nuff said.

    You spent E280 on Guns N' Roses and you're calling me the fanboi? If you're not a fan, why spend nearly 300 quid on one show? I got two shows, a train journey and a hotel for better value that that.

    Just leave it and learn. The hassle of going to a court will be much worse if you don't win and MCD (who I agree aren't really at fault - the O2 are the ones that wouldn’t let people back in) did an amazing job by getting Guns back on stage - a feat I've never seen any promoter manage in the bands history.

    Next time, use E10 and just buy the album and leave their shows. They’ve gone on at 10:30 for all their shows on this tour and Dublin was the only one that booed them. Guess other countries just wanna have fun-un. Oh other countries just wanna have fun :D


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 93 ✭✭ticketsthere


    wolfmoon87 wrote: »
    Yep - I was one of them!! Although he just ignored me and walked by.
    But some big guy got into an arguement with him. Didn't last long, and then Axl turned around was back through the gate (where the tour bus is).

    Did you see anyone with a camera?


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