getting dog mated

ButtercupTheCow

hi, my dog is in heat at the moment and is going to be mated tomorrow.
The owner of the stud dog wants either a fee, or the pick of the litter, as payment. what do people usually go for? was thinkin i might like to keep the best puppy for myself. thanks

Ronin247

My dad does this regularly with dogs and the normal thing is a fee or a puppy.I have never heard of anyone asking for the pick of the litter but this may vary.I would tell them they can have second pick.
If you pay a fee and the bitch doesnt hold you are relying on getting your fee back or another covering of the bitch.....much simpler by the puppy

golden8

Its quite common for the stud dog owner to have pick of the litter in lieu of payment. Its up to each individual which which way they want to go with.

lrushe

ButtercupTheCow wrote: »

hi, my dog is in heat at the moment and is going to be mated tomorrow.
The owner of the stud dog wants either a fee, or the pick of the litter, as payment. what do people usually go for? was thinkin i might like to keep the best puppy for myself. thanks

Not to nit pick here but you're dog is being mated tomorrow, isn't this something you and the stud owner should have agreed on months ago when you first went researching a stud to compliament your bitch.
Personally if I was definately going to keep a pup out a litter I was breeding than I would like to keep the rights to the first pick and pay a fee, if I was planning to sell the entire litter than I'd give the stud first pick.

iguana

lrushe wrote: »

Personally if I was definately going to keep a pup out a litter I was breeding than I would like to keep the rights to the first pick and pay a fee,

I'd probably suggest that. It's also possible that you will both have different ideas about which pup is the best.

00112984

Definitely go for a flat fee, no pup. If your bitch only has one pup, you don't want to be left with all the vet bills and no puppy.

ButtercupTheCow

lrushe wrote: »

Not to nit pick here but you're dog is being mated tomorrow, isn't this something you and the stud owner should have agreed on months ago when you first went researching a stud to compliament your bitch.
Personally if I was definately going to keep a pup out a litter I was breeding than I would like to keep the rights to the first pick and pay a fee, if I was planning to sell the entire litter than I'd give the stud first pick.

well you are nit picking.

thanks to everyone else for the advice.

pat58

Well i always go to top end stud dogs, And its always money upfront and if she is not in pup free service next year,Thats the way it is any extra info please pm me;)

lrushe

ButtercupTheCow wrote: »

well you are nit picking.QUOTE]

Just wondering why it is such a last minute decision when it should be one of the first, didn't mean to hit a nerve

ButtercupTheCow

ButtercupTheCow wrote: »

well you are nit picking.

lrushe wrote: »

Just wondering why it is such a last minute decision when it should be one of the first, didn't mean to hit a nerve

you can have the last word, if it means so much to you. feel clever now? :rolleyes:

ButtercupTheCow

pat58 wrote: »

Well i always go to top end stud dogs, And its always money upfront and if she is not in pup free service next year,Thats the way it is any extra info please pm me;)

thanks a mill pat58

lrushe

ButtercupTheCow wrote: »

you can have the last word, if it means so much to you. feel clever now? :rolleyes:

Ouch, defensive much???:D
I'll leave you with my clever advice from post 4

star-pants

ButtercupTheCow - watch it.
To be honest I though the same as Irushe, given the amount of time & research that goes into mating dogs, I too would have though you would have come to this decision sooner than the day before.
In future if anyone has issues with a post, use the report post button.

andreac

As an owner of a stud dog myself, this is always discussed at time of enquiry of the stud dog. I would only choose a pup if i was looking to keep a pup for msyelf and if i really wanted one from the bitch and she is s good bitch.

So the norm is usually a stud fee which is paid at first mating. If your bitch doesnt go in pup she usually gets a return mating for free and if she doesnt go in pup again after the 2nd time then its up to the stud dog owner whether they let the bitch owner come back again a 3rd time but that doesnt usually happen.
If the stud dog is already proven, then its up to the bitch's owner to have a pre mate done and make sure she is on her right day to be mated.

But the norm is a stud fee is paid. As someone else says, unless you are willing to give the stud dog owner pick of the litter then i would pay a stud fee.

ButtercupTheCow

star-pants wrote: »

ButtercupTheCow - watch it.
To be honest I though the same as Irushe, given the amount of time & research that goes into mating dogs, I too would have though you would have come to this decision sooner than the day before.
In future if anyone has issues with a post, use the report post button.

is this forum usually so unfriendly, or should people just put up with getting smart answers to innocent questions? just asking.

ButtercupTheCow

andreac wrote: »

As an owner of a stud dog myself, this is always discussed at time of enquiry of the stud dog. I would only choose a pup if i was looking to keep a pup for msyelf and if i really wanted one from the bitch and she is s good bitch.

So the norm is usually a stud fee which is paid at first mating. If your bitch doesnt go in pup she usually gets a return mating for free and if she doesnt go in pup again after the 2nd time then its up to the stud dog owner whether they let the bitch owner come back again a 3rd time but that doesnt usually happen.
If the stud dog is already proven, then its up to the bitch's owner to have a pre mate done and make sure she is on her right day to be mated.

But the norm is a stud fee is paid. As someone else says, unless you are willing to give the stud dog owner pick of the litter then i would pay a stud fee.

thanks for the advice, i will be more prepared for the next time. i wasn't sure which option to go with.

star-pants

ButtercupTheCow wrote: »

is this forum usually so unfriendly, or should people just put up with getting smart answers to innocent questions? just asking.

A poster said they weren't trying to nit pick but that it was odd to leave the decision so late, which is fair enough. You quoted them saying 'yes you were nit picking' and then continued to quote them later going 'oh have to get the last word in, feel clever now?' (which to me is a smart alecky post) when they pretty much apologised for how you took it up.

So to be fair, they weren't being unfriendly, they were being honest. If you're going to be smart with people they'll be smart back.
This is end of it for this thread, I won't drag it off topic any further. If you have issue with this, PM one of my co-mods.

ButtercupTheCow

star-pants wrote: »

A poster said they weren't trying to nit pick but that it was odd to leave the decision so late, which is fair enough.

i didnt ask for advice about time management skills, i asked for advice about my dog.

thank you to everyone who was actually helpful.

star-pants

I'll make it official this time - this is a mod warning, leave it there and don't argue/ignore mod warnings on thread. Everyone else, back on topic please

Lemlin

Another thread where the doggy parade jump on and have to say their bit.

I recently mated my dog and agreed up front with the stud dog owner that he could have pick of the litter after I had picked a pup for myself. He was a man I knew though and was very reasonable.

The Sweeper

Lemlin wrote: »

Another thread where the doggy parade jump on and have to say their bit.

...you mean people have opinions? On the internet?? Wait till I tell me ma!

Our man in Havana

Calm down people!

Lemlin

The Sweeper wrote: »

...you mean people have opinions? On the internet?? Wait till I tell me ma!

It's one thing having an opinion, it's another trying to force it upon everyone and anyone as happens on this forum regularly.

The Sweeper

If that were true, there would be posts on this thread about the hundreds of extremely good reasons why the OP shouldn't even be breeding their dog in the first place.

wolfsshadow

Just about the subject of this thread "Dog mating" hopefully a few words of helpful information for first time breeders, read up as much as you can about your breed and breeding them, get a good vet to check their health, try to avoid last minute desissions, i know thats not always possible but better to leave it to next season, check your dogs pedigree and the stud dogs for unacceptable relationships, some breeds have to have AI or ceasarians so expect high vet bills, stud fees can be varied, at the end of the day its what you are happy to pay, but i would say if the stud isn't proven don't pay much, you are proving their stud for them, check ads to see how popular your breed is and how much they sell for, WHEN you see ads for litters over 10 weeks old they are either priced to high or unpopularwe have a litter at the mo 3 weeks old and 4 out of 9 sold, other people with the same breed are asking a bit more and still have most of the litter at 14 weeks, shows they are asking to much,IF you are thinking of breeding just for easy cash or it would be good for the bitch i wouldn't recommend it, some dogs need health checks and buyers can sue if you sell a unhealthy pup, ours get a full health check and i'm taking them 250 miles to get their hearing checked other breeds need the puppies eyes tested, thats only done in dublin, so research as much as you can, talk to other breeders and show people and expect vet bills and sleepless nights, if your determined to do it good luck

Lemlin

The Sweeper wrote: »

If that were true, there would be posts on this thread about the hundreds of extremely good reasons why the OP shouldn't even be breeding their dog in the first place.

And have you ever thought that there could be hundreds of extremely good reasons why the OP should breed their dog?

The Sweeper

No, actually.

Everyone has to start somewhere, and even experienced breeders had a first litter. However, if you want to breed your animal you should do your research. You should be fully away of the desirable characteristics of the breed you have. You should have confirmation, through showing and judging, that your animal is a good example of the breed, or has characteristics that are highly desirable in continuing a line. You should have your animal vet checked for genetic defects and physical abnormalities that would produce sickly or problematic progeny.

You should have a plan in mind in terms of how you're going to judge suitable new owners for your puppies. Since a lot of vets will not neuter young in Ireland, you can't have your pet-standard animals (as opposed to your show-standard) neutered before adoption, so you need to figure out how you'll ensure that the new owner won't use the intact animal to indiscriminately breed puppies or kittens for profit.

You should also be fully aware of what happens when breeding goes wrong. You should be prepared for the vet costs associated with an emergency section. You should be prepared for puppies to die, and know what you'll do if your dog has a litter including pups that may survive only if they receive immediate veterinary care (what are you going to do? You can't pack the birthing bitch and litter into the car and go to the vet. You shouldn't leave the bitch. If the pup doesn't get to the vet it will die. There's nobody else in the house. What's your plan?) You should be aware of what's required with round the clock feeds if the dog's milk doesn't come in - you should also be aware of what you should do if the dog's milk doesn't come in, in order to encourage it to come in. You should also know when to breed the bitch, and how many litters she should have, and what the optimal time between litters should be.

If the dog has a wonderful birth, you should be fully aware of the developmental stages of puppies, and what you can do to maximise the potential of the pups through each of those stages.

Good reasons to breed include having a dog with a strong and diverse genetic background, that's a good example of the breed, and that will bring desirable characteristics to its puppies. Good reasons to breed include having an overarching love of the entire concept represented by the breed you have, and that means you WILL do the right thing by the dog, and its pups, and its pups' pups. Good reasons to breed including having an animal with a gorgeous temperament and excellent form, finding another breeder with a similar animal, knowing you have the type of household that will reinforce nature by nurture so the pups will get the best possible start with socialisation, and having enough money to ensure they'll also get the best possible start with food and vaccinations.

You need to want to improve the breed, to increase longevity, to fight against defects, and to create strong, healthy, gorgeous animals that make people stop and think 'My God, what a fabulous animal.' On top of that, for really responsible breeders, their commitment to their pups is lifelong. This means if something changes in the new owner's life in five years, the original breeder will help them rehome the dog simply because they love the breed.

Throwing two dogs together with a vague awareness of what might come, or because you think they should have one litter before they're neutered, or you think you could do with a few bob from the pups, or because ah sure why not, are not good reasons to breed - not saying those are the OP's reasons, just saying that they're not good reasons generally.

andreac

Brilliant post Sweeper.:)

wolfsshadow

"You need to want to improve the breed, to increase longevity, to fight against defects, and to create strong, healthy, gorgeous animals that make people stop and think 'My God, what a fabulous animal.' On top of that, for really responsible breeders, their commitment to their pups is lifelong. This means if something changes in the new owner's life in five years, the original breeder will help them rehome the dog simply because they love the breed. "

very well put sweeper,hope that gives some poeple insperation

Lemlin

The Sweeper wrote: »

No, actually.

Everyone has to start somewhere, and even experienced breeders had a first litter. However, if you want to breed your animal you should do your research. You should be fully away of the desirable characteristics of the breed you have. You should have confirmation, through showing and judging, that your animal is a good example of the breed, or has characteristics that are highly desirable in continuing a line. You should have your animal vet checked for genetic defects and physical abnormalities that would produce sickly or problematic progeny.

You should have a plan in mind in terms of how you're going to judge suitable new owners for your puppies. Since a lot of vets will not neuter young in Ireland, you can't have your pet-standard animals (as opposed to your show-standard) neutered before adoption, so you need to figure out how you'll ensure that the new owner won't use the intact animal to indiscriminately breed puppies or kittens for profit.

You should also be fully aware of what happens when breeding goes wrong. You should be prepared for the vet costs associated with an emergency section. You should be prepared for puppies to die, and know what you'll do if your dog has a litter including pups that may survive only if they receive immediate veterinary care (what are you going to do? You can't pack the birthing bitch and litter into the car and go to the vet. You shouldn't leave the bitch. If the pup doesn't get to the vet it will die. There's nobody else in the house. What's your plan?) You should be aware of what's required with round the clock feeds if the dog's milk doesn't come in - you should also be aware of what you should do if the dog's milk doesn't come in, in order to encourage it to come in. You should also know when to breed the bitch, and how many litters she should have, and what the optimal time between litters should be.

If the dog has a wonderful birth, you should be fully aware of the developmental stages of puppies, and what you can do to maximise the potential of the pups through each of those stages.

Good reasons to breed include having a dog with a strong and diverse genetic background, that's a good example of the breed, and that will bring desirable characteristics to its puppies. Good reasons to breed include having an overarching love of the entire concept represented by the breed you have, and that means you WILL do the right thing by the dog, and its pups, and its pups' pups. Good reasons to breed including having an animal with a gorgeous temperament and excellent form, finding another breeder with a similar animal, knowing you have the type of household that will reinforce nature by nurture so the pups will get the best possible start with socialisation, and having enough money to ensure they'll also get the best possible start with food and vaccinations.

You need to want to improve the breed, to increase longevity, to fight against defects, and to create strong, healthy, gorgeous animals that make people stop and think 'My God, what a fabulous animal.' On top of that, for really responsible breeders, their commitment to their pups is lifelong. This means if something changes in the new owner's life in five years, the original breeder will help them rehome the dog simply because they love the breed.

Throwing two dogs together with a vague awareness of what might come, or because you think they should have one litter before they're neutered, or you think you could do with a few bob from the pups, or because ah sure why not, are not good reasons to breed - not saying those are the OP's reasons, just saying that they're not good reasons generally.

And what about people who wish to breed their dogs for hunting? If someone has a dog that is particularly good at hunting or another dog-related task, they may wish to breed it.

Your post seems to entirely forget what a large majority of dogs are for. Dogs like Spaniels are retrievers and are high engergy dogs exactly for this reason and for the fact that they may be required to do alot of swimming to retrieve game. Therefore you may have a dog which could be quite 'ugly' (to put a term on it) and actually makes people stop and think "jesus, what an ugly dog" but could be great the purpose it is intended for. Hence the owner may want to breed it.

You also seem to forget that dogs have been breeding and having pups for thousands of years without human assistance. I have several friends who breed dogs (for showing, hunting and various other reasons before I'm accussed of being in league with puppy farmers) and I've only ever known one who had a problem with a dog birthing naturally.

I do know some who have lost pups but often they have gone to the vet and he hasn't even been able to do anything for the 'lost' pup.

To say that only show dogs should be bred is extremely narrow minded IMO though. The majority of dogs were not bred to walk around a showroom and look pretty.

Zoundz

Fantastic post Sweeper!

xx