Penalty rule changes for World Cup

TonyD79

The rule change is a reaction to the growing number of players, particularly in South America, now using so-called feints, or Paradinha, to deceive the opposition. In an announcement made at a meeting of the International Football Association Board (IFAB), chaired by FIFA president Sepp Blatter on Tuesday, those who halt just before kicking the ball will receive a yellow card for “unsporting behavior”.

Players may also be forced to retake the penalty if the ball goes into the net.

“Feinting in the run-up to take a penalty kick to confuse opponents is permitted, however feinting to kick the ball once the player has completed his run-up is now considered an infringement,” FIFA secretary general Jerome Valcke told a press conference held at the organizations headquarters in Switzerland.

The ammendment to the penalty rule will be implemented on June 1, just 10 days before the start of the World Cup. But Valcke insists this is enough time.

Silly really. What about the keepers who try and put off the takers???
Took them 15/20 years to realise it was infringment?????John Aldridge should have all his goals taken off him in that case:rolleyes:

quarryman

If they are going to do that they should also enforce the rule about keepers staying on their line too.

DazMarz

quarryman wrote: »

If they are going to do that they should also enforce the rule about keepers staying on their line too.

This is something that always irks me about penalties and penalty shootouts. The goalkeeper always moves about a foot or so off his line before the ball is struck. This is in contravention to the rules.

Why is this not more stringently enforced? Why introduce/alter rules when older ones are not working/enforced???

SickBoy

Why not let just the player fouled play rock-paper-scissors with the oposition keeper?

ccosgrave

DazMarz wrote: »

This is something that always irks me about penalties and penalty shootouts. The goalkeeper always moves about a foot or so off his line before the ball is struck. This is in contravention to the rules.

Why is this not more stringently enforced? Why introduce/alter rules when older ones are not working/enforced???

A foot? try 2 or 3 metres in some cases

syngindub

SickBoy wrote: »

Why not let just the player fouled play rock-paper-scissors with the oposition keeper?

why not have a rule where the player fouled must take the peno

curry-muff

ccosgrave wrote: »

A foot? try 2 or 3 metres in some cases

Ah come on now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrfoU7ol6gc

TonyD79

syngindub wrote: »

why not have a rule where the player fouled must take the peno

Drogba would be the victim of the old snipers on the grassy knoll more often ..if thats possible!

Guy:Incognito

They should be spending their time working out ways to detect that around half the penalties are dives in the first place.

TangyZizzle

“Feinting in the run-up to take a penalty kick to confuse opponents is permitted," - So if the player takes a 6 yard run-up, he can stop at 3 yards and begin to run again, grand.. I can understand that and like everyone else, Iv seen it done.. but.. "however feinting to kick the ball once the player has completed his run-up is now considered an infringement,” - ??what?? How is it possible to fake a kick at the end of his run? Does he plant his left foot beside the ball and swing his right foot over the ball.. missing it, then pull it back to kick it for real?

As for the keeper coming off his line argument, a keeper needs to move from a prone position forward, at least a little, to plant his foot and get power into his jump, otherwise he'd never come near the shot. Obviously there has been cases where they take the piss in the amount that they come off their line, but to a certain degree, it can be excused I think.

cooker3

Yellow card hey, Ah so Fifas on going quest to ensure the best players don't play the big games due to pointless and idiotic yellow and red cards goes on unabated.

RGDATA!

TangyZizzle wrote: »

"however feinting to kick the ball once the player has completed his run-up is now considered an infringement,” - ??what?? How is it possible to fake a kick at the end of his run? Does he plant his left foot beside the ball and swing his right foot over the ball.. missing it, then pull it back to kick it for real?

hard to believe until you see it but yes, it's faking a kick after the left foot is planted - check out from 1.30.

An Citeog

TangyZizzle wrote: »

“Feinting in the run-up to take a penalty kick to confuse opponents is permitted," - So if the player takes a 6 yard run-up, he can stop at 3 yards and begin to run again, grand.. I can understand that and like everyone else, Iv seen it done.. but.. "o fake a kick at the end of his run? Does he plant his left foot beside the ballhowever feinting to kick the ball once the player has completed his run-up is now considered an infringement,” - ??what?? How is it possible t and swing his right foot over the ball.. missing it, then pull it back to kick it for real?

As for the keeper coming off his line argument, a keeper needs to move from a prone position forward, at least a little, to plant his foot and get power into his jump, otherwise he'd never come near the shot. Obviously there has been cases where they take the piss in the amount that they come off their line, but to a certain degree, it can be excused I think.

This is what has been banned:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxBnZKx4sT4

Edit: Yeah, I should probably refresh threads before posting!

lordgoat

Far worse things than that to be looked at imo. I'd have no problem with it. In fact i think it balances out the keeper coming off the line early.

SickBoy

The more I think about this the more ridiculous it becomes.
As long as the player kicks the ball then it is within the rules of the game.
The guy taking the penalty should be afforded all the benefits as his team was denied the goal scoring opportunity that lead to the penalty being awarded.

NTMK

About time they banned it.

FlawedGenius

People just love to moan about Fifa. Its a great rule and should of been in a long time ago. If they watched that vid from 1:30 on they would realise why!!

28064212

SickBoy wrote: »

The more I think about this the more ridiculous it becomes.
As long as the player kicks the ball then it is within the rules of the game.
The guy taking the penalty should be afforded all the benefits as his team was denied the goal scoring opportunity that lead to the penalty being awarded.

A penalty isn't (necessarily) given for the denial of a goalscoring opportunity, just a foul inside the box. Many, if not most, of them are awarded where a goal is unlikely.

If the taker should be given every advantage, why not take the penalty from 5 metres out? Putting the ball into the net from 11 metres out is one of the technically easiest things to do in soccer (obviously, mentally it's a lot more difficult). If the player swings his foot, the keeper has to dive. If it's not a fake, and he waits to see the ball being kicked, there's no way he'll get close to it before it's in the back of the net

Handsome Bob

Sounds fair enough to me. No problem stopping in the run up to a penalty but stopping when you actually get to the ball and feigning a shot is just a load of bollocks. Glad they banned it.

gimmick

Will they ban a player running over the ball at a direct free kick as well? That is, afterall, deception as well.

Loads of bollocks imo.

Handsome Bob

gimmick wrote: »

Will they ban a player running over the ball at a direct free kick as well? That is, afterall, deception as well.

Loads of bollocks imo.

In the case of a free kick the defending team has a wall, so in that case since it is incredibly difficult to score a free kick a little bit of deception is okay.

However, when we're talking about penalties we are talking about basic open goal opportunities. There is nothing getting in your way and the team with the penalty very much holds all the cards. They shouldn't be allowed to be so deceptive as to feign a shot because the goalkeeper is already at a considerable disadvantage.

gimmick

But by taking away the oppurtunity to feint, you are also taking away some advantage to the penalty taker?

Its a daft rule which will cause games being held up and needless cards been handed out. Imagine Messi missing the world cup final for doing a shimmy because he is already on a booking.

SickBoy

28064212 wrote: »

A penalty isn't (necessarily) given for the denial of a goalscoring opportunity, just a foul inside the box. Many, if not most, of them are awarded where a goal is unlikely.

If the taker should be given every advantage, why not take the penalty from 5 metres out? Putting the ball into the net from 11 metres out is one of the technically easiest things to do in soccer (obviously, mentally it's a lot more difficult). If the player swings his foot, the keeper has to dive. If it's not a fake, and he waits to see the ball being kicked, there's no way he'll get close to it before it's in the back of the net

What if...
Someone like Messi is closing in on the keeper and is about to pull the trigger but instead feints to kick the ball and puts the keeper the wrong way. He's about to slide the ball the other way until someone comes sliding in from behind but gets no where near the ball. Penalty is awarded. Now the penalty taker must give the keeper very chance to save it?
They'll be booking players for making opposition players look foolish in open next. what are they calling it again? Unsporting behavior? pah!

Nunu

Whatever about this new ruling being right or wrong, why do FIFA always announce rule changes days before a World Cup? Surely the time is immediately after a World Cup so it's firmly imbedded a few years before their showpiece event takes place? Extra pressure on refs too who have to implement this rule having no previous experience applying it.
They're ****ing imbeciles.

They outlawed the tackle from behind days before the '98 World Cup and it led to some comically harsh red cards in the group stages. Referees didn't have a clue how to enforce it properly. Morten Wieghorst of Denmark getting a red for tapping someones ankle from behind sticks out in my mind from then.

28064212

gimmick wrote: »

But by taking away the oppurtunity to feint, you are also taking away some advantage to the penalty taker?

No, you're not. A penalty is an opportunity to take a free shot at goal from 11 metres out, keeper versus taker. If the taker is allowed feint like that, it's a certain goal, they may as well just award the goal instead of a penalty

gimmick wrote: »

Its a daft rule which will cause games being held up and needless cards been handed out. Imagine Messi missing the world cup final for doing a shimmy because he is already on a booking.

If he's stupid enough to do something which has been widely publicised as being cracked down on and knows he's going to receive a yellow, then yes, he should miss it. And it's not a 'shimmy', look at the videos posted, it's a blatant way of making certain you know where the keeper is going to dive and allowing you too put it the other way before he has a chance to get up

SickBoy wrote: »

What if...
Someone like Messi is closing in on the keeper and is about to pull the trigger but instead feints to kick the ball and puts the keeper the wrong way. He's about to slide the ball the other way until someone comes sliding in from behind but gets no where near the ball. Penalty is awarded. Now the penalty taker must give the keeper very chance to save it?
They'll be booking players for making opposition players look foolish in open next. what are they calling it again? Unsporting behavior? pah!

How are they giving the keeper every chance to save it? It's a free shot from 11 metres out. Take your shot, the taker has a huge advantage already. Faking a kick just means it's a certain goal. And in the situation you posted, it would be a penalty and a red card

bijapos

FIFA would be better occupied by getting an independent panel of referees to look at video evidence after matches of blatant diving and start to hand out

(i)one match bans for diving/general conning of a ref, and

(ii)automatic two match bans if its a dive within the area.

Football fans worldwide are sick of the rolling around and theatrics associated with the game, got so bad that kids think its normal and its got to all levels of the game. Time to ban it and set an example. See how England and Portugal do without the likes of Gerrard* and Ronaldo for a couple of matches.




*(saying this as a Liverpool fan)

jj72

So what happens if there is a penalty shoot-out and a player has already been booked, feints to shoot....does he get red carded?...never seen anyone get red carded during a shoot out.

Gang of Gin

Fifa's new directive to all 29 World Cup referees and their assistants means that any players who feint to kick the ball at the end of their run-up will now be booked, any resulting goals will be disallowed and the spot-kick will be re-taken.



Does anyone think that a player should be allowed to take a penalty any way they like - once the ball is kicked, as a single shot toward goal?


Goalkeepers employ their own 'tactics' albeit by moving before the shot is struck and are rarely reproached for it, and there's no directive being issued for this.


Another point on this: if a player is already booked and receives a 2nd for a spot-kick infringement during a penalty shoot-out can the manager replace him to take it, as 5 players must be nominated to take penalties before the shoot-out.


There are some grey areas to this ruling if you ask me.

Podge2k7

This is the third thread on this.


EDIT: There was even one just yesterday, http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055933114

Dublin_Gunner

RGDATA! wrote: »

hard to believe until you see it but yes, it's faking a kick after the left foot is planted - check out from 1.30.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

lol the one at around 2:00 is the best, the feckin' plank!

Why don't they just ban 1)any movement of the goal keeper until the bal has been struck. Any attempt to delay the penalty kick, or unnerve the kick taker shall be dealt with via yellow card.
2) The kick taker must make continuous movement to the ball, ending with the ball being kicked. No feigning during the run, or at the end of the run.

That keep things simple. Keeper cant move until the ball is struck, kicker can't feign. This brings it to a level playing field.

jj72 - the player would have to be dismissed due to receiving a second yellow card. If a player knows the rules, the player should follow them. Tough titties if you get sent off for it, it would be pure stupidity on the players part.

RGDATA!

FlawedGenius wrote: »

People just love to moan about Fifa. Its a great rule and should of been in a long time ago. If they watched that vid from 1:30 on they would realise why!!

if it should have been introduced long ago then so be it, but not on the eve of a world cup.
new ball. new tacking rules. new penalty rules. all are designed so that fifa can stamp its authority on the game on the eve of the world cup, not to improve the football. if it was to improve the football it would have been done a year ago to iron out any inconsistencies of interpretation from referees. inevitably now there is going to be additional pressure on referees to make rulings based on these new directives, and there will be controversy about the ball. there will be controversy around all three of these issues, and i will be very surprised if we can look back on them at the end of the tournament and say that they were good for the tournament.
people have very good reason to moan about fifa btw.

28064212

RGDATA! wrote: »

if it should have been introduced long ago then so be it, but not on the eve of a world cup.

In fairness, it's only become an issue in South America very recently, it's not something that's ever really been a problem before

johnmcdnl

Surely the advantage should be with the attacker when taking a penalty... It's not exactly a dead cert goal if you do a paradinho in fairness - how many times have you seen them missed... it'd be more in fifa's line if they sorted out the prooblem of goalkeepers being off their lines as penalties are taken