How is Obama Destroying America

PopeUrbanII

rovert wrote: »

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PopeUrbanII

Amerika wrote: »

Here is little humor for you to add to your post, then it won't sound so pathetic.

Awsome, Hound. Awsome.

Overheal

PopeUrbanII wrote: »

Look at my profile.

http://www.horstveckner.com/

Summary of
Major H. von Dach’s Total Resistance,
by Nathaniel Cross, Deputy, C.R.A.

In 1965, Swiss Army strategist Major Hans von Dach wrote Total Resistance, a masterpiece of patriotic guerrilla warfare. He wrote the book to prepare his fellow countrymen to resist Soviet invasion and occupation, at the height of the Cold War. In as much as the work is seminal in its guerrilla warfare instruction, and uniquely inspiring, in its call to patriotic resistance against Communism, it warrants extensive examination on the part of the Western Christian Warrior. What follow are the work’s main points:

Example Axioms:

1. Start with small operations. Gradually build up to large ones. Use creative leadership.
2. The local resistance movement serves the guerrilla force, especially by providing spies and observers, and by establishing a security perimeter.
3. Primary combat methods of the guerrilla force: ambushes, raids, bombings, executions, assassinations, sabotage
4. Attack when your force is strong. Otherwise, split up and hide.
5. Attack enemy weaknesses.
6. Counter-attack when the enemy thinks it’s over.
7. Conceal points of departure and re-entry, and destination.
8. Only travel at night.
9. Project strength, when possible.
10. Use closed formations.
11. During daytime movement, post air observers.
12. At night, establish two ambushes along all enemy avenues of approach.
13. Air-mobile units (helicopter-deployed) are a tremendous threat.
14. Designate, every day, a rally point, if the guerrilla force is attacked.
15. Booby-trap roadblocks, or at least emplace fake booby-traps, to slow down enemy movement.

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Is it your intention to launch and organize a domestic insurgency?

Obama was Democratically Elected. As was GWB. And GWB is the one who made it legal to mark Anyone as an Enemy Combatant; Americans being no exception.

Is it wise to both begin an insurgency against a democratically elected administration, and at the same time do so against one that, if it came down to armed conflict as your Profile Link suggests it will - it will wind up with you versus the Military?

We won't even get into Assassinations methinks, or entertain the details thereof*. But I am curious for an answer on this. Has the Christian Right reach such a hysteria that is willing to go down that road?

*But I will ask, if you plan on killing President Obama, would you really want Joe Biden sworn in?!

Don't get me wrong, I advocate Gun Rights on this very Principle. But, this is not an Invasion, nor an Illegitimate Government: both are among the few reasons I would think it appropriate to instigate insurrection or a coup d'etait.

rovert

Overheal wrote: »

http://www.horstveckner.com/



Is it your intention to launch and organize a domestic insurgency?

Course not:

NOTICE: This site does not advocate violence. It speaks of it, however, as a historical inevitability.

:pac:

Overheal

Meh, good enough for me. Actually. I'm more than happy to have a dialog.

PopeUrbanII

"Is it your intention to launch and organize a domestic insurgency?"

Only if and when Obama's Communist coup achieves dictatorship, and suspends the U.S. Constitution. Then, it's all on.

Obama was Democratically Elected. As was GWB. And GWB is the one who made it legal to mark Anyone as an Enemy Combatant; Americans being no exception.

Indeed, Obama was elected, but immediately began to attempt a coup de etat against The People. Obama's destroying the democracy that put him in charge. He's not allowed to do that. No man is above the U.S. Constitution.

Is it wise to both begin an insurgency against a democratically elected administration, and at the same time do so against one that, if it came down to armed conflict as your Profile Link suggests it will - it will wind up with you versus the Military?

Again, if and when Obama suspends the Constitution, he will no longer be the legitimate leader of America. Much of the U.S. military will desert, and not fight for a dictator.

We won't even get into Assassinations methinks, or entertain the details thereof*. But I am curious for an answer on this. Has the Christian Right reach such a hysteria that is willing to go down that road?

The Christian Right is furious, but silent. I imagine it's scared to death of PC, and still wounded from its days of backing GWB.

*But I will ask, if you plan on killing President Obama, would you really want Joe Biden sworn in?!

I could go to prison just by answering that.;)

Don't get me wrong, I advocate Gun Rights on this very Principle. But, this is not an Invasion, nor an Illegitimate Government: both are among the few reasons I would think it appropriate to instigate insurrection or a coup d'etait.

Have you heard of the Cloward-Piven Strategy? Look it up. I believe that's what Obama's trying to implement, to destroy America. It's a gradual process. Thanks for your research. I appreciate it.

amacachi

PopeUrbanII wrote: »

"Is it your intention to launch and organize a domestic insurgency?"

Only if and when Obama's Communist coup achieves dictatorship, and suspends the U.S. Constitution. Then, it's all on.

Obama was Democratically Elected. As was GWB. And GWB is the one who made it legal to mark Anyone as an Enemy Combatant; Americans being no exception.

Indeed, Obama was elected, but immediately began to attempt a coup de etat against The People. Obama's destroying the democracy that put him in charge. He's not allowed to do that. No man is above the U.S. Constitution.

Is it wise to both begin an insurgency against a democratically elected administration, and at the same time do so against one that, if it came down to armed conflict as your Profile Link suggests it will - it will wind up with you versus the Military?

Again, if and when Obama suspends the Constitution, he will no longer be the legitimate leader of America. Much of the U.S. military will desert, and not fight for a dictator.

We won't even get into Assassinations methinks, or entertain the details thereof*. But I am curious for an answer on this. Has the Christian Right reach such a hysteria that is willing to go down that road?

The Christian Right is furious, but silent. I imagine it's scared to death of PC, and still wounded from its days of backing GWB.

*But I will ask, if you plan on killing President Obama, would you really want Joe Biden sworn in?!

I could go to prison just by answering that.;)

Don't get me wrong, I advocate Gun Rights on this very Principle. But, this is not an Invasion, nor an Illegitimate Government: both are among the few reasons I would think it appropriate to instigate insurrection or a coup d'etait.

Have you heard of the Cloward-Piven Strategy? Look it up. I believe that's what Obama's trying to implement, to destroy America. It's a gradual process. Thanks for your research. I appreciate it.

ROFLOL.

Killer Wench

I'm Black. I'm from Illinois. I graduated from Law School. I have met Obama on a few occasion prior to him being elected as President. I have strong personal opinions about him that are based upon my personal perspective of having met him and knowing people who were members of his Chicago community. I chose not to vote for Obama; however, he was democratically elected by the citizens of my country and I have found myself appreciating this politician more in the past year.

From my personal perspective, I believe much of the fear that Obama is destroying the country is rooted in the age old stereotype of the threatening Black man; there are stories shared by my friends and other members of the Black community that involve single women crossing the street as a Black man walks down the street. We could look back to the times of 30s and 40s when Black men were lynched for the perceived insults and sexual aggressiveness towards non-Black women. The men were killed because the men-folk needed to protect the virtue of their daughters, sisters and wives; so they took back control by implementing a society based upon fear and intimidation.

Fast forward to 2010 and we have a Black male serving as the leader of our country; I have heard many tea-party members make statements such as "we need to take back our country". From whom, I ask. It isn't that Obama is leading this country down a road of fiscal irresponsibility; we have been on that track for generations, and judging from the comments from people who are adamant about not giving up their social security, we will continue to be on this track. The cost of supporting one soldier in Afghanistan for a year is $1 million yet our military spending has essentially not changed.

Hearing people shout about taking back America reminds of those stories of Klan members who lynched Black men. I truly do believe that in the hidden parts of their hearts, they are afraid of being in a position where a Black man holds power of them. It is an attempt to put him back into his place and eliminate the threat of progress.

Overheal

PopeUrbanII wrote: »

Only if and when Obama's Communist coup achieves dictatorship, and suspends the U.S. Constitution. Then, it's all on.

that would require Obama to actually have a Communist Coup. And even then achieving Dictatorship would be quite difficult from my understanding. Impeachment processes already exist for that very reasons and it would take nothing short of Military Loyalty for the white House to overthrow the House and Senate. Otherwise the Senate and House if I'm not mistaken would take command authority of the Military. In the event that the Democratic Supermajority tried to take over? Well I'm sure you're quite right; I imagine the Military would assume allegiance to the GOP until order could be restored.

Still I think these are all extreme Hypothetical situations, and I'm no Tom Clancy nor expert on the subject.

Indeed, Obama was elected, but immediately began to attempt a coup de etat against The People. Obama's destroying the democracy that put him in charge. He's not allowed to do that. No man is above the U.S. Constitution.

I've seen nothing from the White House in the last 10 - let alone 20 years, that fits the definition. I wager in fact that no such thing has happened in the Country's History but I admit I would be ignorant about Centuries Past.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coup_d%27%C3%A9tat

Again, if and when Obama suspends the Constitution, he will no longer be the legitimate leader of America. Much of the U.S. military will desert, and not fight for a dictator.

Correct, they would. In fact I feel like sometimes theres so many redundancies in our system of government that thwart exactly that, that it's a non-concern for the average citizen/militiamen. Admittedly, we've made a living out of both installing and overthrowing dictatorships so I should hope we're experts on the subject. As such I think the risk of a Dictatorship forming is extremely low.

The closes I ever felt that illegitimacy would happen was at the end of Bush's term. My concern was Bush would use the War on Terror to artificially - though by definition legally - extend his term indefinitely. But alas, he did not.

The Christian Right is furious, but silent. I imagine it's scared to death of PC, and still wounded from its days of backing GWB.

I really don't think they've been silent. The Tea Party Movement, Glenn Beck, Limbaugh, etc. etc. could all be swept into the same Christian Fury.

I could go to prison just by answering that.;)

Quite.

Have you heard of the Cloward-Piven Strategy? Look it up. I believe that's what Obama's trying to implement, to destroy America. It's a gradual process. Thanks for your research. I appreciate it.

Implementing a Dole system like that of Ireland would - yes, in my opinion, be a grievous mistake. But as I've learned over the years, this would not be a Destruction of the Country, nor would it be Unconstitutional, or legitimate grounds for a coup. Arguably, we could also say that the use of Guantanamo as a terrorist detention facility only serves to destroy the country. But then again, with Gitmo theres a lot more happening there that would be considered morally, ethically, and legally questionable.

I think before this thread goes any further I think I should ask the Right here what they would define as the Country's Destruction. For me this would be nothing short of the Absolution of the Government and the Abandonment of the Constitution, and of course goes as far as Nuclear Holocaust (:p) but I haven't seen it happening.

Denerick

What is Obama's grand plan? What does he do when he rounds up Beck, Limbaugh, Robertson into a concentration camp (A not unpalatable prospect, by any means ) I'm curious about where he goes once he suspends the US constitution, achieves the support of the army, and locks down all of the Red States under martial law? What is the endgame? What does he want to do? What kind of communist system will he introduce? Will there be patriotic pictures and statues of Obama in every street corner?

Man, I can't wait for the communist revolution in America. It would put me in mind to start one over here. Now all I need is:

*To be elected by a plurality of the Irish people
*A charming mixed race background that by its very existence re-affirms all that is positive about the American Dream.
*A Supreme Court that is majority Democrat (Oh wait)
*A military hierarchy that is majority Democrat (Oh wait)
*A loyal political elite who will swear allegiance to my dictatorship (Oh wait)
*I need to bail out massive companies and refuse to raise taxes.
*I need to introduce a communist health system that re-inforces and greatly improves the profits of private health providers.
*I need to send more troops to Afghanistan.
*I need to abolish Bushes faith based initiatives programme (Oh wait)

I think we get the idea here...

PopeUrbanII

Victor Morawski's work sheds ample light on Obama's ideological leanings:

Abundant evidence has been cited to show that his long-time mentor and father figure in Hawaii, Frank Marshall Davis, was a full-blown, active member of the Communist Party. After coming to Chicago, Obama for years attended the church of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, an ardent and vocal advocate of Black Liberation Theology, a movement with its roots planted firmly in Marxism.

"Obama also had extensively documented contact in Chicago with Bill Ayers, former member of the Marxist-influenced Weather Underground, and a self-identified Marxist:

"In an interview published in 1995, Ayers characterized his political beliefs at that time and in the 1960s and 1970s: “I am a radical, Leftist, small ‘c’ communist … [Laughs] Maybe I’m the last communist who is willing to admit it. [Laughs] We have always been small ‘c’ communists in the sense that we were never in the Communist party and never Stalinists. The ethics of communism still appeal to me. I don’t like Lenin as much as the early Marx.”

"Yet, all of the above might be a moot point when another of his associations, rarely discussed, is considered: that of his relationship with his own Marxist father, Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. Guessing whether he was influenced significantly by the Marxism of his father is utterly unnecessary here for, in his first book, Dreams from my Father, the younger Obama clearly states that it was his deliberate intention to build his own life in his father’s likeness: “It was into my father’s image, the black man, son of Africa, that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.”

Extracted from "Obama and Marxism: A Legitimate Question"
By Victor Morawski

Denerick

In college I have come across people of differing political persuasions. In life I have friends of varying political persuasions. If I have a socialist friend, does that make me a socialist? If my father is a communist does it necessarily follow that I am a communist? If my parish priest is left wing does that mean I'm left wing?

This is shameless guilt by association. Its also quite queasy, as it implies that people should only have friendships with people of the same political persuasion. You would seem to be a rather boring partner at a dinner party if you're unwilling to befriend somebody to either your left or right. I question your reasoning.

PopeUrbanII

Denerick wrote: »

In college I have come across people of differing political persuasions. In life I have friends of varying political persuasions. If I have a socialist friend, does that make me a socialist? If my father is a communist does it necessarily follow that I am a communist? If my parish priest is left wing does that mean I'm left wing?

This is shameless guilt by association. Its also quite queasy, as it implies that people should only have friendships with people of the same political persuasion. You would seem to be a rather boring partner at a dinner party if you're unwilling to befriend somebody to either your left or right. I question your reasoning.

I disagree. Obama is a Marxist. He's all but admitted it. My country spent the last half of the 20th Century fighting Communism. I take it personally. I live, in large measure, to fight the evil that is Communism. Therefore, I live now to fight Obama. I will die before making concessions to Communism, of any kind.

Killer Wench

PopeUrbanII wrote: »

Victor Morawski's work sheds ample light on Obama's ideological leanings:

Abundant evidence has been cited to show that his long-time mentor and father figure in Hawaii, Frank Marshall Davis, was a full-blown, active member of the Communist Party. After coming to Chicago, Obama for years attended the church of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, an ardent and vocal advocate of Black Liberation Theology, a movement with its roots planted firmly in Marxism.

"Obama also had extensively documented contact in Chicago with Bill Ayers, former member of the Marxist-influenced Weather Underground, and a self-identified Marxist:

"In an interview published in 1995, Ayers characterized his political beliefs at that time and in the 1960s and 1970s: “I am a radical, Leftist, small ‘c’ communist … [Laughs] Maybe I’m the last communist who is willing to admit it. [Laughs] We have always been small ‘c’ communists in the sense that we were never in the Communist party and never Stalinists. The ethics of communism still appeal to me. I don’t like Lenin as much as the early Marx.”

"Yet, all of the above might be a moot point when another of his associations, rarely discussed, is considered: that of his relationship with his own Marxist father, Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. Guessing whether he was influenced significantly by the Marxism of his father is utterly unnecessary here for, in his first book, Dreams from my Father, the younger Obama clearly states that it was his deliberate intention to build his own life in his father’s likeness: “It was into my father’s image, the black man, son of Africa, that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.”

Extracted from "Obama and Marxism: A Legitimate Question"
By Victor Morawski

So what?

The late Senator Byrd was a member of the Ku Klux Klan as a youth. Yet, by 2005, he received a 100% approval rating by the NAACP for his support of many progressive civil rights proposals. Simply because those men served as mentors or spiritual advisors does not mean that they shaped his political and personal identity.

PopeUrbanII

Killer Wench wrote: »

So what?

The late Senator Byrd was a member of the Ku Klux Klan as a youth. Yet, by 2005, he received a 100% approval rating by the NAACP for his support of many progressive civil rights proposals. Simply because those men served as mentors or spiritual advisors does not mean that they shaped his political and personal identity.

You're leaving out the critical fact that Byrd spent the rest of life apologizing and trying to make up for his Klan past. I don't see Obama doing anything but pushing Communism down our throats. Not a good comparison.

Denerick

PopeUrbanII wrote: »

I disagree. Obama is a Marxist. He's all but admitted it. My country spent the last half of the 20th Century fighting Communism. I take it personally. I live, in large measure, to fight the evil that is Communism. Therefore, I live now to fight Obama. I will die before making concessions to Communism, of any kind.

Just because you say it over and over and over again doesn't make it true.

You seem like a colourful and interesting character. I really hope you don't turn into one of these news statistics of far right militia members rounded up by the FBI. I wouldn't die before allowing that to happen, but I would be mildly disappointed...

Killer Wench

PopeUrbanII wrote: »

You're leaving out the critical fact that Byrd spent the rest of life apologizing and trying to make up for his Klan past. I don't see Obama doing anything but pushing Communism down our throats. Not a good comparison.

But your view on Obama being a communist is based upon your opinion where as it was fact that the late Senator Byrd was a past member of the KKK.

PopeUrbanII

Denerick wrote: »

Just because you say it over and over and over again doesn't make it true.

You seem like a colourful and interesting character. I really hope you don't turn into one of these news statistics of far right militia members rounded up by the FBI. I wouldn't die before allowing that to happen, but I would be mildly disappointed...

Just because any of us repeats something over and over again doesn't make it so. In the end, everything is a matter of personal choice. The problem with much of the West today (especially Western Europe) is that everything has become relative. Not only that, the very notion of believing in anything strongly, except nihilism, is viewed with contempt. I've argued for quite a while now that if Western Europeans aren't willing to defend Western Civilization and its rich treasures, Christian America should be prepared to do so itself, and keep the Western inheritance as its own.

PopeUrbanII

Killer Wench wrote: »

But your view on Obama being a communist is based upon your opinion where as it was fact that the late Senator Byrd was a past member of the KKK.

Over half of America agrees with me. In my profile, you'll find my website. Go to the 'Discourse' page, and read the article I posted there about Obama's Communism. He is a Marxist, perpetrating the first coup de etat against the American People, from the White House.

Killer Wench

PopeUrbanII wrote: »

Over half of America agrees with me. In my profile, you'll find my website. Go to the 'Discourse' page, and read the article I posted there about Obama's Communism. He is a Marxist, perpetrating the first coup de etat against the American People, from the White House.

I strongly disagree that over half of America agrees with you. I am an American. I would agree if you said that over half of America is disappointed in the lack of progress in one direction or the other, but half of America does not believe that Obama is a Marxist.

Byron85

PopeUrbanII wrote: »

Over half of America agrees with me. In my profile, you'll find my website. Go to the 'Discourse' page, and read the article I posted there about Obama's Communism. He is a Marxist, perpetrating the first coup de etat against the American People, from the White House.

If anyone wants to try to legitimately argue that America was "taken over", it's not being done so by Obama. It was done much earlier when Johnson was President. When he got into power so too did the military. You're off by a few decades.

jank

PopeUrbanII wrote: »

Over half of America agrees with me. In my profile, you'll find my website. Go to the 'Discourse' page, and read the article I posted there about Obama's Communism. He is a Marxist, perpetrating the first coup de etat against the American People, from the White House.

What a colourful character you are. LOL, I for one find you hilarious. I love satire. Please go on...

We also have a conspiracy forum but you are more than welcome to post in this forum.

inb4noob

You're ignoring the good things President Obama has done:

• Gitmo closed
• Iraq War ended
• Afghan War ended
• Patriot Act is gone
• Full employment
• Deficit reduced
• End of partisan politics
• No lobbyists in his administration
• Fast action on Oil Spill
• Ended the warrantless wiretapping
• No signing statements.
• re-negotiated NAFTA
• Allowed the Medicare and Medicaid to negotiate the drug prices
• Kept the tax promises

johnmcdnl

PopeUrbanII wrote: »

I disagree. Obama is a Marxist. He's all but admitted it. My country spent the last half of the 20th Century fighting Communism. I take it personally. I live, in large measure, to fight the evil that is Communism. Therefore, I live now to fight Obama. I will die before making concessions to Communism, of any kind.

because capitalism is sooo much better isn't it :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

PopeUrbanII

Killer Wench wrote: »

So what?

The late Senator Byrd was a member of the Ku Klux Klan as a youth. Yet, by 2005, he received a 100% approval rating by the NAACP for his support of many progressive civil rights proposals. Simply because those men served as mentors or spiritual advisors does not mean that they shaped his political and personal identity.

Nonsense. Those were associations he chose, he wanted, he actively sought, contributed to, learned from, etc., etc., all for the obvious reason they were based on shared beliefs. Give me a break, please.:mad:

PopeUrbanII

Denerick wrote: »

What is Obama's grand plan? What does he do when he rounds up Beck, Limbaugh, Robertson into a concentration camp (A not unpalatable prospect, by any means ) I'm curious about where he goes once he suspends the US constitution, achieves the support of the army, and locks down all of the Red States under martial law? What is the endgame? What does he want to do? What kind of communist system will he introduce? Will there be patriotic pictures and statues of Obama in every street corner?

Man, I can't wait for the communist revolution in America. It would put me in mind to start one over here. Now all I need is:

*To be elected by a plurality of the Irish people
*A charming mixed race background that by its very existence re-affirms all that is positive about the American Dream.
*A Supreme Court that is majority Democrat (Oh wait)
*A military hierarchy that is majority Democrat (Oh wait)
*A loyal political elite who will swear allegiance to my dictatorship (Oh wait)
*I need to bail out massive companies and refuse to raise taxes.
*I need to introduce a communist health system that re-inforces and greatly improves the profits of private health providers.
*I need to send more troops to Afghanistan.
*I need to abolish Bushes faith based initiatives programme (Oh wait)

I think we get the idea here...

Interesting analysis, but considerably off-target. You don't understand American thought and culture.

PopeUrbanII

Killer Wench wrote: »

I strongly disagree that over half of America agrees with you. I am an American. I would agree if you said that over half of America is disappointed in the lack of progress in one direction or the other, but half of America does not believe that Obama is a Marxist.

I disagree with your disagreement.:D

amacachi

johnmcdnl wrote: »

because capitalism is sooo much better isn't it :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Well, eh, yes.

Denerick

PopeUrbanII wrote: »

Interesting analysis, but considerably off-target. You don't understand American thought and culture.

Why? The Marxist charge is absurd and it doesn't tie with any of the legislation he's passed. He's been in office and none of the reforms he has introduced can be considered 'marxist'. The massive stimulus package was launched at a time of wide consensus among the center right (And Obama is most definately a center right President) in the western world.

You have yet to offer proof or even a rational for Obama's supposed Marxism, other than saying 'He's a Marxist' over and over again. Why is this?

Lockstep

I have quite a few libertarian friends. I have life-long, self selected friendships with these people and there is some limited overlap with their beliefs and mine. Does this mean I am a libertarian?

johnmcdnl

amacachi wrote: »

Well, eh, yes.

have a look at capitalism : a love story by michael moore... quite insightful that is


yes communism has problems but if communism could be implemented by non corrupt politicians and leaders then it is by far the best form of governance ever devised by man.. what could be better than every person being treated equally

capitalism on the other hand rewards those that gamble millions and billions on stocks and shares and promotes putting people into debt and basically leaves us in the situation we are in today - the ultra rich ask to be bailed out by all those that didn't ever set foot in the stock market exchange floor or never tried to take a billion dollar loan to build a house... that's capitalism at it best for you

so you really think capitalism is better?? being a Marxist just means you'd rather put the interests of the entire population before the multinational corporations - is this such a bad philosophy

Denerick

johnmcdnl wrote: »

have a look at capitalism : a love story by michael moore... quite insightful that is


yes communism has problems but if communism could be implemented by non corrupt politicians and leaders then it is by far the best form of governance ever devised by man.. what could be better than every person being treated equally

capitalism on the other hand rewards those that gamble millions and billions on stocks and shares and promotes putting people into debt and basically leaves us in the situation we are in today - the ultra rich ask to be bailed out by all those that didn't ever set foot in the stock market exchange floor or never tried to take a billion dollar loan to build a house... that's capitalism at it best for you

so you really think capitalism is better?? being a Marxist just means you'd rather put the interests of the entire population before the multinational corporations - is this such a bad philosophy

Facepalm.

Communism is inconsistent with human nature. Human nature is consistent with corruption. The only form of governance that tends to work in any productive way is one that minimises corruption through transparancy, accountability, and citizen pressure. Under every Marxist system ever devised by man the end result has been tyranny of either one, or a small elite of politicians.

Marxism is a naive economic philosophy that refuses to countenance the dark heart in man's soul.

Riddickcule

Because americans fear change.

johnmcdnl

Denerick wrote: »

The only form of governance that tends to work in any productive way is one that minimises corruption through transparancy, accountability, and citizen pressure

well capitalism in america surely doesn't fit any of these requirements for governance does it?

obama isn't turning america into the new soviet state or something...
are you saying that giving health care insurance to the poorest people in america is wrong?? would you rather see these people die because they can't afford their health care??? yes it is a Marxist philosophy to pay for these people health care but is it morally wrong?

by helping the poor in society rather than helping the rich pro capitalists keep their yachts and mansions obama is destroying america... I agree fully with you on this one :rolleyes:

inb4noob

johnmcdnl wrote: »

have a look at capitalism : a love story by michael moore... quite insightful that is


yes communism has problems but if communism could be implemented by non corrupt politicians and leaders then it is by far the best form of governance ever devised by man.. what could be better than every person being treated equally

capitalism on the other hand rewards those that gamble millions and billions on stocks and shares and promotes putting people into debt and basically leaves us in the situation we are in today - the ultra rich ask to be bailed out by all those that didn't ever set foot in the stock market exchange floor or never tried to take a billion dollar loan to build a house... that's capitalism at it best for you

so you really think capitalism is better?? being a Marxist just means you'd rather put the interests of the entire population before the multinational corporations - is this such a bad philosophy

You're wrong, only Capitalism with the Federal Reserve in place, a mutilated form, where it is the lender of last resort that is the case and only in some cases. America hasn't had true capitalism for 100 years. That is when you run out of money, you go bankrupt. If you’re in with the cool kids over at the FED you'll get bailed out. For the rest of the people there is true capitalism.

That's why you see a movement to end the Federal Reserve over in America.

Denerick

johnmcdnl wrote: »

well capitalism in america surely doesn't fit any of these requirements for governance does it?

obama isn't turning america into the new soviet state or something...
are you saying that giving health care insurance to the poorest people in america is wrong?? would you rather see these people die because they can't afford their health care??? yes it is a Marxist philosophy to pay for these people health care but is it morally wrong?

by helping the poor in society rather than helping the rich pro capitalists keep their yachts and mansions obama is destroying america... I agree fully with you on this one :rolleyes:

Read my post again. And then perhaps read Karl Marx. Then give Keynes a go. I'm one of the latter.

amacachi

johnmcdnl wrote: »

have a look at capitalism : a love story by michael moore... quite insightful that is


yes communism has problems but if communism could be implemented by non corrupt politicians and leaders then it is by far the best form of governance ever devised by man.. what could be better than every person being treated equally

capitalism on the other hand rewards those that gamble millions and billions on stocks and shares and promotes putting people into debt and basically leaves us in the situation we are in today - the ultra rich ask to be bailed out by all those that didn't ever set foot in the stock market exchange floor or never tried to take a billion dollar loan to build a house... that's capitalism at it best for you

so you really think capitalism is better?? being a Marxist just means you'd rather put the interests of the entire population before the multinational corporations - is this such a bad philosophy

Really? You're using a Micheal Moore "documentary" as part of your argument? I have watched that film and it isn't about Capitalism, it's about Cronyism, the exact same thing which arises in Communist systems. If America was actually Capitalist the people who caused these problems would be facing up to the consequences.

Overheal

When Bush bailed out the banks, he killed Capitalism anyway. The Risk of Failure is a critical compenent of the economic model. By removing it, here have you all hell that hath broke loose.

PopeUrbanII

Recent developments in America further highlight Obama's unyielding commitment to anti-White racism in America and perpetration of a Communist coup-de-etat against The American People. By ordering U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder to dismiss the voter-intimidation case involving New Black Panther Party members and by nominating a life-time fan of the infamously inept British healthcare system to head Medicare and Medicaid (Donald Berwick), Obama continues his assault against Traditional America. He continues to try to destroy the U.S., as the world has always known it. Meanwhile, my devotion to opposing Obama, unto death, intensifies by the day. Today, in my country, there is no greater patriotic cause than to stand against Barak Hussien Obama.

Overheal

I think I just heard someone moving the goalposts.... now Obama isn't destroying America, he's destroying "Traditional America."


Ahhhh

amacachi

Overheal wrote: »

I think I just heard someone moving the goalposts.... now Obama isn't destroying America, he's destroying "Traditional America."


Ahhhh

Heh, Traditional America, I always thought things had to be around a while longer to count as traditional. :P It's not like America has constantly changed massively since its founding either.

Killer Wench

PopeUrbanII wrote: »

Recent developments in America further highlight Obama's unyielding commitment to anti-White racism in America and perpetration of a Communist coup-de-etat against The American People. By ordering U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder to dismiss the voter-intimidation case involving New Black Panther Party members and by nominating a life-time fan of the infamously inept British healthcare system to head Medicare and Medicaid (Donald Berwick), Obama continues his assault against Traditional America. He continues to try to destroy the U.S., as the world has always known it. Meanwhile, my devotion to opposing Obama, unto death, intensifies by the day. Today, in my country, there is no greater patriotic cause than to stand against Barak Hussien Obama.

Are you kidding? If there was anyone - any leader - who has destroyed the world's perception of us it was George W. Bush who led us into two wars and an economic recession. Or, are you giving him a pass?

spank_inferno

In fairness, that "black panther" case was pretty disgusting.

And the person who decided to dismiss the case should be held accountable for it.

Denerick

Anyone fancy placing bets on how long it is before the FBI swoop down on Pope Urbans house? I for one, would love to keep him in my secret communist gulag (All people on the center left have one, don't you know)

rovert

Overheal wrote: »

I think I just heard someone moving the goalposts.... now Obama isn't destroying America, he's destroying "Traditional America."


Ahhhh

It is probably a class at Glenn Beck University

PopeUrbanII

Racist Obama and his Communist and Black revolutionary cadre are forcing White Americans to fight back. Whites who previously rejected racism now feel threatened, because of their race, and realize they have no choice but to defend themselves, along racial lines. It's called self-defense, and it's based on simple human survival instincts. Obama is to blame, and must be viewed as a criminal, by decent people, everywhere.

Blacks, especially, should see Obama as their great nemesis. If they're able to discern basic right from wrong, they should transcend the effects of Obama's obvious race-baiting-for-personal-gain, and understand that he's reversing all progress made in race-relations in America over the last 50 years. For this egregious crime against America's past and destiny, Obama should be held in contempt by the public, and registered in the annals of Infamy.

Indeed, the argument of many of Obama's soldiers, such as King Shabbaz and Louis Farakon, that Black suffering over the course of American history has been so profound, no other race in the country can allege institutional racism against Blacks, might bear some merit, however limited. What these radicals overlook, however, is that all people possess the right of self-defense, and by attacking White Americans, they're pushing the nation to the brink of racial civil war. Again, the basic human reaction to being assaulted is to either fight or flee. White America will fight, if pushed too far, and against the backdrop of White history, Obama and his henchmen shouldn't be too confident they can win.

rovert

PopeUrbanII wrote: »

Racist Obama and his Communist and Black revolutionary cadre are forcing White Americans to fight back. Whites who previously rejected racism now feel threatened, because of their race, and realize they have no choice but to defend themselves, along racial lines. It's called self-defense, and it's based on simple human survival instincts. Obama is to blame, and must be viewed as a criminal, by decent people, everywhere.

Blacks, especially, should see Obama as their great nemesis. If they're able to discern basic right from wrong, they should transcend the effects of Obama's obvious race-baiting-for-personal-gain, and understand that he's reversing all progress made in race-relations in America over the last 50 years. For this egregious crime against America's past and destiny, Obama should be held in contempt by the public, and registered in the annals of Infamy.

Indeed, the argument of many of Obama's soldiers, such as King Shabbaz and Louis Farakon, that Black suffering over the course of American history has been so profound, no other race in the country can allege institutional racism against Blacks, might bear some merit, however limited. What these radicals overlook, however, is that all people possess the right of self-defense, and by attacking White Americans, they're pushing the nation to the brink of racial civil war. Again, the basic human reaction to being assaulted is to either fight or flee. White America will fight, if pushed too far, and against the backdrop of White history, Obama and his henchmen shouldn't be too confident they can win.

Bit of a rich accusation coming from you if you dont mind me saying.

The proof to rheoritc ratio is a bit out of whack here too. You really think any rational person will take this stuff seriously.

Overheal

PopeUrbanII wrote: »

Racist Obama

You have no proof that he is a racist, I assume this is only your delusion.

and his Communist and Black revolutionary cadre

lol

are forcing White Americans to fight back. Whites who previously rejected racism now feel threatened, because of their race, and realize they have no choice but to defend themselves, along racial lines. It's called self-defense, and it's based on simple human survival instincts. Obama is to blame, and must be viewed as a criminal, by decent people, everywhere.

Nathan, race never left. Don't be ridiculous. A Black President doesn't change that, and he is not the cause of that. I'm plenty familiar with racism traveling in both directions: it didn't just suddenly appear on Jan 20, 2009.

Blacks, especially, should see Obama as their great nemesis.

Now you've just gone and lost me.

If they're able to discern basic right from wrong, they should transcend the effects of Obama's obvious race-baiting-for-personal-gain, and understand that he's reversing all progress made in race-relations in America over the last 50 years. For this egregious crime against America's past and destiny, Obama should be held in contempt by the public, and registered in the annals of Infamy.

"Reversing all race-relations in America over the last 50 years"

Yes.

Remember that back in December of 1955 when a black woman decided she didn't want to be consigned to the back of a bus, that was considered a crime.

So Absolutely: Rosa Parks, Martin Luther King Jr., Barack Hussein Obama - they're all in cohoots and they successfully turned race relations around in just 55 years. gg.

I think you're trying to argue that they've completely flipped it on it's head though, and now its the Whites that are being subjugated. I really don't see where you get that idea. There's no subjugation, just the same tension thats been around for years, add one black president.
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Indeed, the argument of many of Obama's soldiers, such as King Shabbaz and Louis Farakon, that Black suffering over the course of American history has been so profound, no other race in the country can allege institutional racism against Blacks, might bear some merit, however limited. What these radicals overlook, however, is that all people possess the right of self-defense, and by attacking White Americans, they're pushing the nation to the brink of racial civil war. Again, the basic human reaction to being assaulted is to either fight or flee. White America will fight, if pushed too far, and against the backdrop of White history, Obama and his henchmen shouldn't be too confident they can win.

Personally, I really cannot see where you're coming from. Your argument is based on the supposition that blacks are waging a violent war against whites. The self defense you refer to applies when you are physically threatened. I did not, for instance, have the right (much less the wherewithal) to go put a bullet in GWB's head back when he signed the Patriot Act, despite feeling that my personal liberties were being threatened. You're not comparing apples to apples.

kev9100

rovert wrote: »

It is probably a class at Glenn Beck University

Glenn Beck has a University?:eek::eek: Please tell me thats a joke.

Denerick

Urban, stop copy pasting and start arguing. I'd love to hear an articulate conservative perspective on this forum, not just bland copy paste jobs from far right wing demagogues. You rarely if ever stick around in a thread to actually get to the meats and bones of any substantive issues.

I'm still waiting for you to explain how any of Obama's economic policies bear any connection to Kapital or the Communist Manifesto.

The gauntlet is thrown down, sir.