Saorview Content Speculation

Apogee

Hibrasil wrote: »

Apologies....if this is not the right place to ask.....but I have a Sony Bravia....with a Conax DVB NP4.....I was (and i say was) able to receive perfect digital test transmissions from 3Rock.....for some time all I can receive is Sound and no picture......on sixteen tv and radio channels...is there a problem with the transmissions until start up.....or have I a problem with reception.....comments appreciated.... thanks

When did you lose picture? About the only thing you can try is to delete the channels and rescan or else try reseating the CAM in the TV.

watty

ftakeith wrote: »

I got the humax freeviewHD+ in manchester last weekend

We don't know how well it will work for Saorview, long term. Unlike Neotion CAM, it should "mostly" work. Unknowns are Stereo rather than Multichannel AAC on SD and MHEG5 middleware compatibility. Also all "proper" Certified Saorview Receivers (TV or Setbox) will be able to get OTA Firmware upgrades automatically. It's likely that unless Humax get that exact model Saorview certified (which isn't unlikely or impossible) you need to do firmware updates manually or via a UK DTT reception.

If EVERY feature in UK HD Freeview that is optional is implemented (D-book) then it might be 100% OK on Saorview.

Minimum RTE / Saorview Spec (basically Nordig2.0 + MHEG5 + clarifications)
http://rtenl.ie/downloads/RTE-FTA-DTT-Receiver-Spec.pdf
Teracom Nordig 2.0 and UK Freeview HD comparison http://www.teracom.se/Documents/Produkter/Irdtesting/Teracom%20DTT%20receiver%20FAQ%202010-06%20008.pdf
Summary: http://www.techtir.ie/isaa/saorview/setbox (will be updated)

ftakeith

watty wrote: »

We don't know how well it will work for Saorview, long term. Unlike Neotion CAM, it should "mostly" work. Unknowns are Stereo rather than Multichannel AAC on SD and MHEG5 middleware compatibility. Also all "proper" Certified Saorview Receivers (TV or Setbox) will be able to get OTA Firmware upgrades automatically. It's likely that unless Humax get that exact model Saorview certified (which isn't unlikely or impossible) you need to do firmware updates manually or via a UK DTT reception.

If EVERY feature in UK HD Freeview that is optional is implemented (D-book) then it might be 100% OK on Saorview.

Minimum RTE / Saorview Spec (basically Nordig2.0 + MHEG5 + clarifications)
http://rtenl.ie/downloads/RTE-FTA-DTT-Receiver-Spec.pdf
Teracom Nordig 2.0 and UK Freeview HD comparison http://www.teracom.se/Documents/Produkter/Irdtesting/Teracom%20DTT%20receiver%20FAQ%202010-06%20008.pdf
Summary: http://www.techtir.ie/isaa/saorview/setbox (will be updated)

aertel digital on humax freeviewhd+ works like the bbc red button on the humax freesat+

BowWow

ftakeith wrote: »

I got the humax freeviewHD+ in manchester last weekend, it picks the dtt tests from 3 rock

ftakeith

Would appreciate hearing how you get on with this box, particularly after the "soft" launch at end Oct.
Is it currently showing Irish EPG and if so can you record from the EPG?

What are you using as an aerial? Indoor or Outdoor?

I think the box is the same width/height as the Foxsat HDR?

If it works ok - it might be my Christmas present to myself:D

ftakeith

BowWow wrote: »

ftakeith

Would appreciate hearing how you get on with this box, particularly after the "soft" launch at end Oct.
Is it currently showing Irish EPG and if so can you record from the EPG?

What are you using as an aerial? Indoor or Outdoor?

I think the box is the same width/height as the Foxsat HDR?

If it works ok - it might be my Christmas present to myself:D

I recorded the film 'hard candy' on rte2 last sunday and it came out very well, the sangecom freeview hd+ is inferior in my view

Its connected to an outdoor tv aerial in Crumlin, dublin 12 through 3 rock

regarding the saorview epg, Also on aertel digital's tv listings, rte1 is Saorview Channel 1, rte2 is saorview channel 2, tg4 is saorview channel 4
tv3 not listed yet
Saorview should be set asap

thetonynator

Noticed today that when you use Aertel in Digital to look up tv listings, it lists RTE 1 as being on

Saorview TV:1
UPC:101
Sky:101

and so on for the other channels . . .

The Cush

thetonynator wrote: »

Noticed today that when you use Aertel in Digital to look up tv listings, it lists RTE 1 as being on

Saorview TV:1
UPC:101
Sky:101

and so on for the other channels . . .

Previously posted here when Digital Aertel returned last month and here when we were discussing the possible new Saorview TV logo.

The Cush wrote: »

Even RTÉ get confused.

If you go to revamped DTT Aertel page 888 you see the headline "Subtitles on Soar View DTT"

I noticed earlier today that they have finally corrected the spelling of Saorview on page 888, now displays as "Subtitles on SaorView TV" .

Satts

Anybody know if they will be going ahead with launching UK channels on Irish Dtt or not ?

The Cush

Satts wrote: »

Anybody know if they will be going ahead with launching UK channels on Irish Dtt or not ?

No.

This from the Oireachtas Joint Committee on Communications discussion on DTT in July

Deputy Noel J. Coonan: People are under the impression that they will be able to receive every channel because there are two multiplexes. What channels will be available under the proposals outlined by Mr. Hayes? Will these be the eight or nine channels listed here? Will the UK channels be available?

Mr. Conor Hayes: The UK channels are available under an approach called Freesat, which is broadcast by a company owned by the BBC and ITV. They broadcast these channels in the clear over Ireland using a wide-band satellite operating in the KU band. RTE’s satellite option is a narrow-band satellite operating in the Ka band. One cannot get them on the same satellite. In the US, there are hybrid dishes available and householders can receive Ka band and Ku band signals. That is technically feasible and there are some 22 million households in the US using it. The cost of the dish is approximately $65.

Deputy Noel J. Coonan: Deputy D’Arcy will have to go to Italy and I will have to go to the US.

Mr. Conor Hayes: We are doing our best to identify solutions.

Deputy Noel J. Coonan: Will people have to get a box for Sky and a box for the UK channels? These are not readily available. People are under the impression they can do this once they switch over.

Mr. Conor Hayes: If people want to stay with Sky and keep paying money, one does not need anything else. The alternative we are providing does not involve pay-TV.

Chairman: The Deputy’s question is whether one can get BBC and ITV.

Mr. Conor Hayes: If one has a satellite.

http://debates.oireachtas.ie/DDebate.aspx?F=MAJ20100714.XML&Ex=All&Page=3

scath

Satts wrote: »

Anybody know if they will be going ahead with launching UK channels on Irish Dtt or not ?

Likely not going ahead with launching UK channels on Irish DTT as BBC likely to be seeking royalties. Initial MOU between UK & Irish Government press release did say FTA BBC on Irish DTT and vice versa but was changed to paid for BBC TV on Irish DTT after a few days. Was debate here about that. So answer is no, not likely before 2013 when commercial DTT is then being revisited in 2012

The Cush

RTÉ says channels are available on freesat or if you wish to pay - on Sky.

(Edited my previous post, re: RTÉ situation in July on the UK channels)

ftakeith

The Cush wrote: »

RTÉ says channels are available on freesat or if you wish to pay - on Sky.

(Edited my previous post, re: RTÉ situation in July on the UK channels)

a combo HD satellite/terrestrial receiver connected to an outdoor tv aerial for irish dtt and a satellite dish for UK freesat
just select the 30-40 decent fta UK/irish tv channels depending on viewing habits

watty

Don't hold your breath for ANY pay TV other than a Premium "Top Up" TV type scenario with a handful of channels. Maybe Sky Sports. But not the main FTA in UK (BBC, ITV Five, C4) and not lower viewing channels. It's not economic. Unlikely anyway before 2013 or 2014.

Freesat for UK TV. By time Irish Digital is "Fully launched" there will be Saorsat too, so plenty of options maybe next June.

Don't rush into spending money now, or even for November Soft launch. Wait at least till Jan/Feb to review situation.

galtee boy

With October 31st only 7 weeks away, when can we expect to see tests for RTE 1+1, Den Tv, 3e, some video on the HD channel, the return of TV3 etc ? Nothing new has appeared on the tests for months now. Wouldn't we want to see some activity soon ?

gtg60

galtee boy wrote: »

Wouldn't we want to see some activity soon ?

You'd think, wouldn't you?

Starting to look like we'll be getting a big fat nothing extra come the 31st of October!

watty

galtee boy wrote: »

With October 31st only 7 weeks away, when can we expect to see tests for RTE 1+1, Den Tv, 3e, some video on the HD channel, the return of TV3 etc ? Nothing new has appeared on the tests for months now. Wouldn't we want to see some activity soon ?

Not necessary.

They can "hit the switch" 31st Oct. That's when the service starts.

Also Publicity is not likely till afterwards... Ramping up a little in Nov/Dec and then ramp-up to full swing Jan 2011 to May/June 2011 or whenever full launch is.

The "Full Public Launch" date in 2011 is the really important / interesting date. Not 31st October 2010. That's why there is no rush to waste money on gear that might not be 100% compatible or the best solution.

Don't forget the 31st October 2010 is "Technical Launch" and there is no agreed date for Full Public Launch.

The Minister Eamonn Ryan says 31st December 2011 at the latest.
RTE says Q2 2011 at the Earliest..

I suspect there will be no exact date decided until Kasat has successfully deployed or not after its launch sometime between November 2010 and January 2011.

Speculation (possible Time Scale):

• Announcement on 1st November 2010 that yesterday Saorview limited service started. 94.5% population coverage.
• After November 2011 (could be as late April): Occasional RTE2 in HD, Start of DenTV & RTE News Now separate channel officially.
• Limited Public Information campaign from 1st November 2010
• November / December 2010: Some saorview certified TVs and setboxes in Shops.
• Major publicity from January/February 2011
• An announcement of actual Public launch date in January or February 2011
• Sometime November 2010 to January 2011: Ka-Sat @ 9E launch via Proton
• February/ March: Saorsat tests commence
• April/May: much variety of Saorview TVs & Setboxes
• The Public Launch date is April 2011 at earliest, December 2011 at latest, Maybe May or June.
• May/June 2011? Saorsat service is live, 100% copy of Saorview. Service Public Launch with 97.2% terrestrial population coverage. Will TV3 be on it?
• Full publicity about Analogue Switch off date after Public Launch.
• Q3 2011: Saorsat/Freesat system installs with Dual feed and HD DVB-S2 sat box with MHEG5
• Q4 2011: many or all existing areas have 2nd Mux. RTE2 HD full time?
• Early to Mid 2012: RTE1, RTE2, TV4 go HD. TV3 and TV3e now definitely on Saorview
• Mid to late 2012: All 51 sites live. 98% population coverage Terrestrially.
• late 2012: Phased Analogue Switch off starts with Three Rock, Clermont Cairn, Woodcock Hill, Carn Hill, HolyHill and perhaps Truskmore, and any Analogue Transposers fed from those.
• End 2012/Start 2013 N.I. Analogue closes and N.I. gets Freeview HD launch.
• January / February 2013: Remainder of Analogue closes. Last are Maghera, Mullaghanish, Kippure and Mt. Leinster.
• March 2013 TV3 goes HD
• April 2013 BAI abandons search for a Commercial Multiplex Operator and authorises RTENL to sell space to PayTV channels (as transmission provider like Arqiva, not PayTV operator).
• May 2013 Kerry TV launches?
• May 2013 TV3e added as pay channel if they previously didn't launch.
  

The Cush

galtee boy wrote: »

With October 31st only 7 weeks away, when can we expect to see tests for RTE 1+1, Den Tv, 3e, some video on the HD channel, the return of TV3 etc ? Nothing new has appeared on the tests for months now. Wouldn't we want to see some activity soon ?

RTE 1+1, Den Tv, Euronews - anytime between the soft launch and the full national launch

TV3 - possibly not until ASO in 2012 according to an interview on Today FM recently

3e - maybe when TV3 launches or they may not launch on DTT and remain as a pay TV option

HD content - there is a current RTÉ tender out for the upgrade of the existing playout facility to allow "pass through" live HD playout which "will enable the introduction of the HD service at the earliest possible date without the requirement to migrate to the new automation system". A new HD playout facility will in future allow recorded and "native" HD content to be broadcast. Many of us on the boards were expecting some HD football during the World Cup but as we could see from the tender spec the equipment wasn't available within RTÉ.

Regarding the Oct launch date I don't think we're going to notice anything specific, this may be more like the start of the public awareness campaign from RTÉ and thru' the media. Mary Curtis, RTÉ's new Director of Digital Switchover is due to take up her position this month probably when her replacement as Deputy Director of Programmes is announced. Her role is "to lead the RTÉ project in the communications, marketing, technical, regulatory, public information and liaison activities and to ensure that the public are enabled and encouraged to harness the new DTT infrastructure".

copacetic

where has the 'Den TV' name everyone is using come from?

watty

Isn't what RTE brand's their kids slot?. Huge enough DOG.

copacetic

It's what the toddler section in the morning is currently named (as the bug indicates), but I was wondering where people had gotten that the potential new channel was to be called Den TV.

warlikedave

copacetic wrote: »

It's what the toddler section in the morning is currently named (as the bug indicates), but I was wondering where people had gotten that the potential new channel was to be called Den TV.

Not the worst name or idea for a channel tho LOL

Apogee

copacetic wrote: »

where has the 'Den TV' name everyone is using come from?

Probably from the 'Oracle of Truth' that is wikipedia.

The document submitted by RTÉ to the Communications Committee referred to it as "RTÉ Children’s".

galtee boy

Watty, so on October 31st/November 1st 2010, you expect the channel line up to be exactly as it is now, ie RTE1,2,TG4,RTE News Now and the radio channels ?

ftakeith

galtee boy wrote: »

Watty, so on October 31st/November 1st 2010, you expect the channel line up to be exactly as it is now, ie RTE1,2,TG4,RTE News Now and the radio channels ?

http://www.magnersleague.com/matchcentre/schedule.php

look at the rte2 information below dtt channel 2

it appears the new magners league tv contract has incorpored irish dtt into its tv coverage

mike65

Has a new tramsmission service taken so long to get going anywhere in the world, ever?

Stinicker

mike65 wrote: »

Has a new tramsmission service taken so long to get going anywhere in the world, ever?

I imagine Logie Baird's system took a long time to get going, but he was after inventing the thing and not implementing something used globally for over a decade.

Sam Russell

Stinicker wrote: »

I imagine Logie Baird's system took a long time to get going, but he was after inventing the thing and not implementing something used globally for over a decade.

Actually, Logie Baird's system did not work, and it is EMI's system we use. First tests were broadcast in 1932, with full high definition (405 lines) service began broadcasting in 1936, and continued until 1939, when it was shut down during the war and recommenced broadcasting in 1948 (iirc). So only 4 years to launch, from start of tests. Our first tests were in 1991, with a full trial lasting two years followed by tow years, and counting, of tests.

So yes, the longest ever.

watty

You mean the Mechincal Victorian Era TV Baird copied?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nipkow_disk
http://www.teletronic.co.uk/pioneers.htm

Baird's "TV" was nearly 30 years old when he started to refine it. (1923 first image). Baird's system was a dead end.

There are working mechanical TV systems. Almost every laser printer is a slow mechanical TV. A mechanical projector for 48" 405 TV was sold to homes in 1938 or 1939. A Cinema version existed too. Scary motor for main scanner and two cylindrical lenses (they had no laser, a laser version doesn't need the lenses). It didn't remotely use the Baird/Nipkow system. More like a high speed laser printer with photo drum as vertical scanner mirror and two cylinder lens (one for each scanning drum) added. Sadly no working versions survive.

DLP projectors are mechanical using array of nano mirrors. There are modern drum based laser projectors for outdoor 100' images but largely replaced by LED arrays.

Electronic TV was described in 1905.
Karl Braun developed the CRT for commercial use in 1897 (still called a Braun Tube in Germany till 1950s) and in 1901 Fleming the valve Triode Amplifier.


1923 to 1924 Vladimir Zworykin files Patents for CRT based camera and CRT based picture tube.

We were VERY late to ordinary TV, 31st December 1961. That's 35 years after electronic TV was transmitted and 12 years after most Developed Countries. The US had demonstrated Color TV in 1951 (first transmitted in 1924 in Germany).

The Cush

mike65 wrote: »

Has a new tramsmission service taken so long to get going anywhere in the world, ever?

I don't think we are unique we are just familiar with the Irish situation, for example look at the situation/mess in South Africa; DVB-T was selected 4 or 5 years ago but now in mid stream they may be going to change the standard completely, going for the Japanese/Brazilian standard ISDB-T instead. South Africa only launched an analogue tv service in 1976, almost 50 years after tv broadcasting started in the US.

SA decided in 2006 to implement the European DVB-T standard. However, in April it controversially started to review the decision, and is now pondering the Brazilian version of the Japanese ISDB-T standard – a move that has stalled the entire migration process.

watty

The Afrikanners had a regligious objection to TV
The proposed switch from DVB-T to used only in Brazil verison of ISDB-T is some sort of political/Corruption scam. People I talk to there are scandalized. Hopefully for South Africans this will not happen. ISDB-T isn't much sense, but the Brazilian version is poor.

It proves though there is generally some place worse. While ranking 29th generally in "World Economic Forum" survey, we are 5 places below Zimbabwe in "Soundness of banking", at 139th, bottom. Of course there are many more Countries than 139 (not in the WEF ratings), so there may be worse.

The Cush

Sam Russell wrote: »

Our first tests were in 1991, with a full trial lasting two years followed by tow years, and counting, of tests.

So yes, the longest ever.

The first DVB-T tests in Dublin were in late 1997.

mike65

To be fair I was being a bit flippant I was'nt really expecting to be the longest, it just feels like it.

STB

The Cush wrote: »

I don't think we are unique we are just familiar with the Irish situation, for example look at the situation/mess in South Africa; DVB-T was selected 4 or 5 years ago but now in mid stream they may be going to change the standard completely, going for the Japanese/Brazilian standard ISDB-T instead. South Africa only launched an analogue tv service in 1976, almost 50 years after tv broadcasting started in the US.

I had thought the arguement was over dvb-t2 or dvb-t. It is dvb-t that they are going ahead with it isnt it and also using MHEG5.

watty

Frightenly it's true that they really are "seriously" considering the Brazillian version of ISDB-T in South Africa. My Business partner is doing a job there at the minute and he has confirmed the news reports.
http://mybroadband.co.za/news/broadcasting/13660-Digital-standards-battle-ISDB--pushed.html

The folks there are not happy at the prospect
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/248658-Digital-TV-standards-ISDB-T-pushed-by-Brazil

More http://www.itweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=35858:brazil-to-test-isdbt-in-sa&catid=69&Itemid=58

So things COULD be worse... I guess Brazil feel lonely. But why when SA has 8MHz channels would they adopt an inferior system for 6MHz channels (And DVB-t can do 6MHz. Brazil could have used DVB-T 6MHz as is or USA ASTC http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATSC_tuner also used in Central America. Why they felt they had to customise the mad Japanese system and be alone and then try an inflict it on South Africa is a mystery. Why is the Government in South Africa even listening?

Actually some more goggling..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISDB-T_International
Seems Brazil convinced most of South America to join their crazy club. Secam/NTSC/Pal repeated all over again on Digital, except worse.

The Cush

STB wrote: »

It is dvb-t that they are going ahead with it isnt it and also using MHEG5.

That why it's such a mess right now, Brazil has stepped in and offered it's version of ISDB-T with Ginga middleware.

Some links from earlier this year when the whole standards issue was reopened
Row looming over digital TV standards
SDB-T expansion around the World - It takes many to Ginga
SA set to abandon digital TV standard
SADIBA submission

Latest news
Myths shroud broadcasting standards
Digital TV broadcasting standards demystified
Scrambling for Africa: ISDB-T vs. DVB-T (and now DVB-H?)

The Cush

copacetic wrote: »

where has the 'Den TV' name everyone is using come from?

Apogee wrote: »

Probably from the 'Oracle of Truth' that is wikipedia.

The document submitted by RTÉ to the Communications Committee referred to it as "RTÉ Children’s".

This from the Irish Times website today, no mention of a DTT channel in the article.

RTÉ overhauls children's TV
RONAN MCGREEVY

Mon, Sep 13, 2010

RTÉ has announced the biggest overhaul of its children's television schedule to date.

The station today unveiled plans for two new programmes strands. RTÉjr will be broadcast for under sixes and TRTÉ for children aged seven to 15 on RTÉ2 from the beginning of next week.

...

The new station strands will also have digital radio equivalents in RTÉjr and TRTÉ.

RTÉ Young Peoples Programme commissioning editor Sheila de Courcy said the new programme strands were "quintessential public service broadcasting for 21st century audiences".

She said RTÉjr would be a "safe, fun, magical place for children" while TRTÉ would reflect the demands of thje older cohort.

"These schedules ensure that our audiences are never more than 30 minutes away from Irish production, from stories and output that reflect their immediate world and their lives," she said.


http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/0913/breaking38.html
irishtimes.com - Last Updated: Monday, September 13, 2010, 15:07

watty

Seems The Den will be gone.
So "Children's TV" or RTÉjr is the DTT channel. http://www.techtir.ie/blog/watty/rte-children

The Cush

The Cush wrote: »

This from the Irish Times website today, no mention of a DTT channel in the article.

RTÉ press release up, no mention of availability on DTT/Saorview.

Macy0161

watty wrote: »

Seems The Den will be gone.
So "Children's TV" or RTÉjr is the DTT channel. http://www.techtir.ie/blog/watty/rte-children

Hopefully it will be RTEjr that is the DTT channel, up against cbeebies and broadcast all day, with TRTE on RTE2 (presumably after the schools are out).

scath

Macy0161 wrote: »

Hopefully it will be RTEjr that is the DTT channel, up against cbeebies and broadcast all day, with TRTE on RTE2 (presumably after the schools are out).

Interesting...that's one possibility, another is 2 dedicated channels on DTT and RTÉ2 given new content for adult audiences morning/daytime which would beef up RTÉ against TV3 and put pressure on TV3 to do likewise with 3e.

I suspect that is what's going to happen that RTÉ2 gets repositioned with a mixture of archive and USA drama. RTÉJunior and TRTÉ might timeshare or they could become 2 dedicated seperate channels. If they were seperate it would allow part time Irish Film Channel in the evening. Similarly RTÉ News Now could be an Oireachtas part-time channel with a continuation of news bulletins as is now.

watty

No point to TRTÉ during 9am to 4pm unless they are going to have Schools Television.
So likely one Children's Channel 7am to 7pm, with perhaps 9am to 3pm core RTÉjr and 4pm to 7pm TRTÉ during weekdays and extended daytime TRTÉ during Weekend and Holidays?
So RTÉ Chill = TRTÉ radio?

Macy0161

I've a feeling that's what they'll do - I think it'd be the wrong approach though. cbeebies/ cbbc are the obvious example of how to do it.

frankymail

If they RTÉ go with another channel on DTT should they not call it RTE THREE and then have all the different timeslots branded individually.

It could start early morning with RTÉ jr 7am - 4pm

followed by TRTÉ 4pm - 7pm

late evening content could have US Imports and entertainment shows under the RTE TEN brand. 7pm - Late

Weekend and special sports events could be aired on the channel under the RTÉ SPORT Brand with more dedicated sports analysis and coverage?

watty

Macy0161 wrote: »

I've a feeling that's what they'll do - I think it'd be the wrong approach though. cbeebies/ cbbc are the obvious example of how to do it.

That would need an extra channel. Not the space. Also I suspect not the content. Also RTE may be aiming at a wider to older age range with TRTÉ than CBBC. Also RTÉjr may be overlap with younger age range programs on CBBC.


I heartily dislike Numbering as branding of channels. It's not whatsoever informative and alows with time the channels to become less differentiates. I'm against RTE3 as a name. Lyric FM is good example and far better than calling it RTE Radio 3, like BBC "Third Program" added to Home Service, Light Program and World Service. Now we have BBC Radios 1 to 7, apart from 3 = Third service, none of the numbers tell you anything. Stupid.
Bring back the Home Service as a Name I tell ye!

Too much music on RTE Radio 1. 2FM is a stupid Name. Network Two was no improvement on RTE2, no doubt that's why they reverted the name.

Macy0161

I was more thinking during the week, where TRTE could be on RTE2. Content wise, they'd get away with a certain amount of repeats, as cbeebies do. Our children don't watch loads of tele (honest), but you get repeats on cbeebies, in the same order around lunchtime as you get in the morning, and then again mid afternoon.

scath

Macy0161 wrote: »

I was more thinking during the week, where TRTE could be on RTE2. Content wise, they'd get away with a certain amount of repeats, as cbeebies do. Our children don't watch loads of tele (honest), but you get repeats on cbeebies, in the same order around lunchtime as you get in the morning, and then again mid afternoon.

Disagree there, preference wise. in analogue land out of necessity you have catch all. But digital is all about genrification for the convience of the viewer who has a preference for certain programme genres.

So no kids programming on RTÉ2 thank you. That should be on a children's channel or Channels. RTÉ2 can be repositioned with archive and USA programming. TRTÉ and RTÉ Jnr should be timeshare or standalone channels.

The Den etc on RTÉ was ok for analogue land but no thanks for digital land. Different rules should apply otherwise what's the point from the viewer point of view of digital.

glimmerman123

Over on one of the forums on the Saor TV website they are saying that changes and additions will be made to RTE DTT on the 13th October. It doesn't say what changes or additions will be made. It will be interesting to see if TV3 will make an appearance.

frankymail

watty wrote: »

That would need an extra channel. Not the space. Also I suspect not the content. Also RTE may be aiming at a wider to older age range with TRTÉ than CBBC. Also RTÉjr may be overlap with younger age range programs on CBBC.


I heartily dislike Numbering as branding of channels. It's not whatsoever informative and alows with time the channels to become less differentiates. I'm against RTE3 as a name. Lyric FM is good example and far better than calling it RTE Radio 3, like BBC "Third Program" added to Home Service, Light Program and World Service. Now we have BBC Radios 1 to 7, apart from 3 = Third service, none of the numbers tell you anything. Stupid.
Bring back the Home Service as a Name I tell ye!

Too much music on RTE Radio 1. 2FM is a stupid Name. Network Two was no improvement on RTE2, no doubt that's why they reverted the name.

Yeah I understand your point. I don't specifically mean RTE THREE but I don't think they should limit the potential of the channel and it's perspective by calling RTEjr or TRTE. If the RTENL TEST TRANSMISSION 2 is to become a channel dedicated to Childrens content under the RTEjr and TRTE timeslots I think they should call the channel itself something other than these new brand.

Something like RTE EXTRA or RTE Eile (Pronounced Ella, Irish for Other) Actually now that I say that I kinda like it. RTE Eile

watty

My point is that Channels SHOULD be "limited" by their name, or else they merge to a lowest common denominator rather than quality specialist content "living up" to the name.

"limited" and excellent is better than "jack of all trades and master of none" in the post Analogue Multichannel era. When there was only one or two channels you didn't want to be limited by the name. Now it's a good thing.

frankymail

Is that feasible though in Ireland with limited specific content and a small population/audience when compared to DTT channels abroad broadcasting in larger markets like France and the UK?

Sure we'll see what happens soon anyway.