Cheating in the Leaving Cert

Healium

blankguitarist wrote: »

wooo!
yes ian :P

Shhh, don't mention names in here. I want to cheat in my college exams next year :rolleyes:

leedsfan88

the_barfly1 wrote: »

I disagree. There are no successful businesspeople with good morals, just successful businesspeople with some damn good PR

Will have to agree with you here Barfly1

blankguitarist

Healium wrote: »

Shhh, don't mention names in here. I want to cheat in my college exams next year :rolleyes:

haha :P it's probably a bad idea for us to have the same username on different sites, makes me very trackable :P

randylonghorn

the_barfly1 wrote: »

I disagree. There are no successful businesspeople with good morals, just successful businesspeople with some damn good PR

I disagree. And I'm proud to number a couple of them among my friends.

Oh, I'm not suggesting they're saints, or that they spend hours agonising over every tiny ethical conundrum, but they have a basic moral / ethical compass, they stick to it and they sleep well at nights.

And they're surviving the recession quite well too, partly because of loyal clients who appreciate that.

unknown13

the_barfly1 wrote: »

I disagree. There are no successful businesspeople with good morals, just successful businesspeople with some damn good PR

Disagree.They want to succeed by not breaking the law.

blankguitarist

my god, we've all gone so off topic

deltoro

If you think "cheating" is wrong you should wake up.
The system cheats us every year the only thing it rewards is someone's ability to spend ridiculously long periods of time learning largely irrelevant and rarely stimulating information.
It is widely agreed it is not a test of intelligence or aptitude.
They are many people who just don't have the ability to learn off countless notes and essays and reproduce them in the relatively short time period that is a leaving cert examination.
There are some people who might know all the answers but cant write them in the alloted period.
These people are just as eager and deserving to go on to third level education as anyone else.
IF you rat on someone "cheating" I hope you can live with the fact that you've cheated them out of the next four years of their life..Just think about that before doing something anyone with any sense of morality will regret.

And I don't cheat for the record but I've no problem with anyone who feels they need to.

Healium

deltoro wrote: »

IF you rat on someone cheating I hope you can live with the fact that you've cheated them out of the next four years of their life..Just think about that before doing something anyone with any sense of morality will regret.

Hahaha!
Sorry, but...
I don't think the majority of people cheat because they feel incapable of succeeding in the system. They just cheat because they're lazy, selfish scumbags :pac:

randylonghorn

blankguitarist wrote: »

my god, we've all gone so off topic

Yes and no.

Cheating in the LC / ethics in life are fairly inextricably linked in my view.

I've always said that we need to provide an education in both ethics and logic to young people in secondary school; consequently, I find it both amusing and ironic that this debate is now happening in the LC forum on Boards!!

Healium wrote: »

Hahaha!
Sorry, but...
I don't think the majority of people cheat because they feel incapable of succeeding in the system. They just cheat because they're lazy, selfish scumbags :pac:

In fairness, I would have to agree with those saying that people cheat for all sorts of reasons, including sudden blind panic.

I think a more relevant question is: does the reason someone cheats make it right?

deltoro

Healium wrote: »

They just cheat because they're lazy, selfish scumbags :pac:

So you don't have any friends who cheat?

Let me rephrase that do you have any friends?

DeVore

the_barfly1 wrote: »

I disagree. There are no successful businesspeople with good morals, just successful businesspeople with some damn good PR

I have my morals and I'm successful in business. Its possible, it just depends if you consider your self respect worth the work. I do.


DeV.

_sparkie_

deltoro wrote: »

It is widely agreed it is not a test of intelligence or aptitude.
They are many people who just don't have the ability to learn off countless notes and essays and reproduce them in the relatively short time period that is a leaving cert examination.

so then they should do worse then the students who put in the time and effort to learn off the notes and essays. like you said the leaving cert is not a test of intelligence, it is a memory test. so the students who put int he time and energy to memorize the work should get higher marks.

everybody gets the same papers and everybody has had an equal amount of time to put in the work so if anybody does cheat i have no problem with banning them from state exams for 4 years. they know what will happen if they are caught so let it be on their heads.

Healium

deltoro wrote: »

So you don't have any friends who cheat?

Let me rephrase that do you have any friends?

No, I don't have any friends who cheat in the Leaving Cert
Indeed, I'm almost certain nobody in my whole year is cheating

Stop trying to defend cheating

blankguitarist

we've been through all this before. seriously, it's just going in circles now.

maynooth_rules

gant0 wrote: »

Don't be a dirty ****ing rat!!!why would you willing go about to ruin someones whole life??are you really that sad? does it bother you that much?.Ya people cheat,people in my centre cheat but why care unless they're actually interferring with your exam.It's there lives their risking.If you do snitch tho I can quarantee you karma will follow you for the rest of your life and you will NEVER get laid!!!:eek:

This logic makes no bloody sense. You take the risk to cheat, you live with the consequences. The only Karma the OP will get is good Karma for standing up for decency and for everyone who studies there arse off for months and does the exam the correct way

chaoticmess

deltoro wrote: »

The system cheats us every year

I don't agree with everything you said - but I'm completely with you on that one!

fufureida

blankguitarist wrote: »

we've been through all this before. seriously, it's just going in circles now.

Just leave the thread.

Like me.

deltoro

annoyed lc student wrote: »

and because they're retards... who have been handed a lot or nothing in life and cant work for ****e

Ok let me make this simple...

Doing well in the leaving cert is a specific skill.
Like playing guitar,football or chess.
Can you play guitar?Any good at football?Chess master?

If no does that make you a "retard"?

mrbruno

There are people cheating in every school, without a doubt. If you think about it if you can cheat in the leaving you can cheat in life, essentially it's a life skill!
But being realistic how much info can you remember in 2minutes in the jacks? Not much more than you would if you just studied. And no, I don't cheat.

Blerdiii

Healium wrote: »

Shhh, don't mention names in here. I want to cheat in my college exams next year :rolleyes:

ha i*n ( soooo subtle) thats 2 people who have you to bitch to your uni about :pac::pac:

MiamiMortimer

deltoro wrote: »

So you don't have any friends who cheat?

Let me rephrase that do you have any friends?

Haha, so you think that if people are moral and surround themselves with moral people, they are losers?
That if they don't attempt, by cheating, to steal someone else's college place and future, or know anyone who does, automatically they have no friends?
I know what would change your view...any of your cheating friends going for the same college course as you, hmmm?

God, this is ridiculous. I agree with Healium.

deltoro

Healium wrote: »

No, I don't have any friends who cheat in the Leaving Cert
Indeed, I'm almost certain nobody in my whole year is cheating

Stop trying to defend cheating

Honestly?What school you in?

Lawliet

deltoro wrote: »

If you think "cheating" is wrong you should wake up.
The system cheats us every year the only thing it rewards is someone's ability to spend ridiculously long periods of time learning largely irrelevant.

By cheating, you're not hitting back at the system; you're hitting at other students.

IF you rat on someone cheating I hope you can live with the fact that you've cheated them out of the next four years of their life..Just think about that before doing something anyone with any sense of morality will regret.

As for "cheating someone out of the next four years of their life" that's absolute nonsense. They knew what the consequences were when they decided to cheat, and if they're caught because someone has told on them, it is no ones fault but their own. They're adults -at soon will be adults- they're old enough to take responsibility for their own actions.

Honestly, this cheating-apologists attitude is getting on my nerves. If a person reports someone for stealing a car, and they get a year long prison sentence, have they cheated the thief out of a year of their life? If someone gives evidence at a murder trial and they murder gets life sentence, have they cheated the person out of their life? No. Of course not. They cheated themselves out of those years by committing the crime.

aine92

deltoro it'd be more in your line to go study rather than defend cheaters here??

randylonghorn

blankguitarist wrote: »

we've been through all this before. seriously, it's just going in circles now.

It's been going in circles since Saturday, but if we were to close the thread, there would be a rumpus, and accusations that we were hiding something / reacting to the media limelight / restricting free speech / take your pick and leave your shovel!

Sigi

unknown13 wrote: »

Getting them in a fair manner IE STUDYING is just as important to me because at least I have the satisfaction that I worked my ass off by putting in the hours and taking the benefits of my work

Well if that satisfaction is worth spending all that time then alright.But don't complain if someone who cheated gets your place.I on the other hand have the satisfaction of doing as good or better than everybody who spent the year studying.Personally I wouldn't be satisfied by taking the longest and most difficult route to complete a task

aine92

randylonghorn wrote: »

It's been going in circles since Saturday, but if we were to close the thread, there would be a rumpus, and accusations that we were hiding something / reacting to the media limelight / restricting free speech / take your pick and leave your shovel!

Ah Randy and your ever sage traits! :rolleyes:

Healium

deltoro wrote: »

Honestly?What school you in?

Now that'd be telling
Its funny, I expected a lot of my year to cheat. But they don't. We're a contrasting year, with high achievers and very low achievers, but there's an unwritten pact that nobody cheats

What's the point?
If you can't work hard now, you'll only end up dropping out of college anyway, stealing someone else's place AND wasting it

Blerdiii

deltoro wrote: »

Honestly?What school you in?

i go to a different school to healium but i know most of the ppl in that school . pretty sure guesstimate that noone (at most 2 people who are only looking for d3 if even) are cheating. because at the end of the day all the people who want college in that school are working for it, and those who dont..well the LC is just a laugh. relax

Cormac2791

Sigi wrote: »

Well if that satisfaction is worth spending all that time then alright.But don't complain if someone who cheated gets your place.I on the other hand have the satisfaction of doing as good or better than everybody who spent the year studying.Personally I wouldn't be satisfied by taking the longest and most difficult route to complete a task

I take it you haven't read today's paper?