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Cheating in the Leaving Cert

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    #812
    Healium
    Registered Users Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭Healium


    Sigi wrote: »
    Thanks.I like to think I am.



    By whats necessary what i mean is: You know give or take how many points you need.So go and get them by whatever means you can.If cheating will get you where you want to be then so be it.If you don't get what you want its nobody's fault but your own.

    And as for the friend thing,yeah it'd be funny.I wouldn't actually say it but yeah.What would you do in that position?
    Ok, well I'll rob your house tomorrow because I need the cash for my new HDTV. I need it, loike. Halo looks rubbish on me 20"


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    #813
    Healium
    Registered Users Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭Healium


    ...and you know what, tomorrow I'm going to KICK Bishop Brennan up the ARSE!


    ANARCHY


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    #814
    Sigi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 134 ✭✭Sigi


    The means by which I would get them is by studying! And if I didnt get the points, I should have studied harder. I looked here on Boards for some mocks tips for English and felt so guilty after I couldnt get anymore!

    I would never be in that situation because I would never cheat.

    Theres really 2 ways to do the LC(for most).Study or else cheat.If you want to limit yourself to one of the two because of your superior conscience fair enough,thats your choice.But if someone who cheated gets in ahead of you,its your fault.You had the option,you didn't take it.


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    #815
    Sigi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 134 ✭✭Sigi


    Healium wrote: »
    Ok, well I'll rob your house tomorrow because I need the cash for my new HDTV. I need it, loike. Halo looks rubbish on me 20"

    Go for it.Like cheating on the LC you're taking a big risk.But if it works out for you fair enough.


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    #816
    Mick Daly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 558 ✭✭✭Mick Daly


    Sigi wrote: »
    Theres really 2 ways to do the LC(for most).Study or else cheat.If you want to limit yourself to one of the two because of your superior conscience fair enough,thats your choice.But if someone who cheated gets in ahead of you,its your fault.You had the option,you didn't take it.

    Now you're talking.


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    #817
    Healium
    Registered Users Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭Healium


    Sigi wrote: »
    Theres really 2 ways to do the LC(for most).Study or else cheat.If you want to limit yourself to one of the two because of your superior conscience fair enough,thats your choice.But if someone who cheated gets in ahead of you,its your fault.You had the option,you didn't take it.
    But sure if we all cheat, we'll still be in the same position
    The high achievers will make better time of their 30 seconds in the jacks :rolleyes:


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    #818
    MichelleSm1th
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3 ✭MichelleSm1th


    Deleted User wrote: »
    You expect to do well in Medicine yet you struggle with leaving cert maths. PS, you are entitled to nothing in life. You have to earn it.

    Are you doing the leaving cert this year? If not, which I highly believe you are not, then you clearly are out of touch with the youth of today! Whilst you will be busy with your life in later years commenting on things that have nothing to do with you, I will be progressing successfully in life doing things worthwhile like saving lives and helping the poor.


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    #819
    aine92
    Registered Users Posts: 468 ✭✭aine92


    Sigi wrote: »
    Theres really 2 ways to do the LC(for most).Study or else cheat.If you want to limit yourself to one of the two because of your superior conscience fair enough,thats your choice.But if someone who cheated gets in ahead of you,its your fault.You had the option,you didn't take it.


    I had the option to cheat? Nobody has the option to cheat! Its not like a form where ya tick (A) or (B) and thats that?

    Like I have said to all the others, cheating shouldnt be condoned and I dont know how you could stand around all your teachers, them patting you on the back saying congratulations you clearly worked very hard, and smile and say yeah I did, thanks?! HOW?

    I dont have a superior conscience, I have a perfectly normal, anti cheating conscience.


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    #820
    tracker-man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 709 ✭✭✭tracker-man


    Sigi wrote: »
    Thanks.I like to think I am.



    By whats necessary what i mean is: You know give or take how many points you need.So go and get them by whatever means you can.If cheating will get you where you want to be then so be it.If you don't get what you want its nobody's fault but your own.

    And as for the friend thing,yeah it'd be funny.I wouldn't actually say it but yeah.What would you do in that position?

    As a matter of interest what course are you actually interested in?
    Same goes for Mr.Daly there, what fantastic course is it you are cheating for? Enlighten us...


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    #821
    Healium
    Registered Users Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭Healium


    tracker-man wrote: »
    As a matter of interest what course are you actually interested in?
    Same goes for Mr.Daly there, what fantastic course is it you are cheating for? Enlighten us...
    Basket Making on the Aran Islands? Jam Making in Wickla' ?


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    #822
    Mick Daly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 558 ✭✭✭Mick Daly


    Healium wrote: »
    But sure if we all cheat, we'll still be in the same position
    The high achievers will make better time of their 30 seconds in the jacks :rolleyes:

    Minus the :rolleyes:. I agree


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    #823
    randylonghorn
    Registered Users Posts: 29,509 ✭✭✭✭randylonghorn


    Healium wrote: »
    Basket Making on the Aran Islands? Jam Making in Wickla' ?
    Tone the sarcasm down a notch, Healium.


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    #824
    MichelleSm1th
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3 ✭MichelleSm1th


    I was referring to The Dazzler, sorry


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    #825
    Sigi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 134 ✭✭Sigi


    tracker-man wrote: »
    As a matter of interest what course are you actually interested in?
    Same goes for Mr.Daly there, what fantastic course is it you are cheating for? Enlighten us...

    Well I'm not cheating but either Computer science,psychology or physics.Probably comp sci


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    #826
    Mick Daly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 558 ✭✭✭Mick Daly


    aine92 wrote: »
    I had the option to cheat? Nobody has the option to cheat!

    Who's controlling you?

    You do have a choice. You decide whether or not you want to drink a cup of tea. You decide if you will punch someone or just leave them alone. You decide if you want to suck or lick. You have a choice. You chose not to cheat.


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    #827
    Healium
    Registered Users Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭Healium


    randylonghorn wrote: »
    Tone the sarcasm down a notch, Healium.
    Sarcasm? Me? :D

    Randy, I see no difference in a practical, 5 point course and a 585 medicine course ;) If mushing your fingers around in berries all day makes you happy, live the dream, brother!

    Y'know, there's a niche for jam in Ireland...
    Maybe UCD will have to wait... I'm onto something here... :D


    /flees from randy's burned out banhamma'


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    #828
    randylonghorn
    Registered Users Posts: 29,509 ✭✭✭✭randylonghorn


    MichelleSm1th wrote: »
    I agree with your concerns about cheating but I have my reservations. The LC is grossly unfair to have to study for 7 subjects and try and get A1's in at least six so that you can get into medicine! It has put untold stress on me to make my parents happy! How can one be expected to excel in such differing fields as maths and irish. I love the cupla focal gaeilge but am hopeless at maths. Lucky for me, there is a man name Steve Jobs.

    Just last week, I pretended to use my iPhone as a calculator. In fact the supervisor in my hall complemented me on such a nice calculator. Little did he know, I had the ability to go online and look up such pointless things as trigonometry and algebra. Now this may have been a help to me but you have got to put yourself in a position to succeed later in life. My parents always engrained a sense of entitlement in my upbringing and I believe I have every right to do "whatever it takes".
    MichelleSm1th wrote: »
    Are you doing the leaving cert this year? If not, which I highly believe you are not, then you clearly are out of touch with the youth of today! Whilst you will be busy with your life in later years commenting on things that have nothing to do with you, I will be progressing successfully in life doing things worthwhile like saving lives and helping the poor.
    We've had a few trolly people in this thread, but the combination of your username and those posts suggests to me that you are taking the proverbial..

    Feel free to contact the Category Moderators and convince them I am wrong.

    Banned from LC in the interim. :)


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    #829
    drg85
    Registered Users Posts: 33 ✭drg85


    MichelleSm1th wrote: »
    Are you doing the leaving cert this year? If not, which I highly believe you are not, then you clearly are out of touch with the youth of today! Whilst you will be busy with your life in later years commenting on things that have nothing to do with you, I will be progressing successfully in life doing things worthwhile like saving lives and helping the poor.

    I dearly hope you're a troll, and I should know better but this point should be made...

    I work in a pretty cool area where one must have a solid medical and mathematical background. As part of my work, I have third level students for mathematics. And let me assure you now if you can't hack it now at LC level, you will simply not be able to get through the workload.

    Medicine requires a great deal of rote learning I'm afraid; in a busy hospital situation you cannot just stick signs into WedMD and cross your fingers; you will be snowed under with work, and you will have to make INFORMED calls on your feet. Is it incredibly tough, many drop out and some simply burn out before their 5/6 years of med training are through.

    Moreover, maths is vital if you want to be of any use; a numerically challenged individual won't be able to work through the basic stats required for medicine.

    Even in my subfield, we have many high pointers coming in who simply do not pass muster and drop out in first year or fail. The figure is as high as 55% in some of the university schools (engineering, physics, medicine, biology, biochem/bioengineering etc..) so your airy statements I suspect will bite you in the ass some day in the near future.

    The LC is the most basic and generic admittance requirement; you could cheat it, bluff it, maybe fluke it. But in the real world of medicine and academia, you can kiss that goodbye fairly rapidly.

    FYI, Doctors often have to make ethical decisions with or for a patient. I don't like the idea of someone of your calibre being in that position very much..


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    #830
    Sigi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 134 ✭✭Sigi


    aine92 wrote: »
    I had the option to cheat? Nobody has the option to cheat! Its not like a form where ya tick (A) or (B) and thats that?

    Like I have said to all the others, cheating shouldnt be condoned and I dont know how you could stand around all your teachers, them patting you on the back saying congratulations you clearly worked very hard, and smile and say yeah I did, thanks?! HOW?

    I dont have a superior conscience, I have a perfectly normal, anti cheating conscience.

    No free will eh?As far as I'm aware you do indeed have the option to cheat.
    And I don't plan to tell anybody I worked hard.I didn't need to and therefore I didn't.


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    #831
    Healium
    Registered Users Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭Healium


    drg85 wrote: »
    FYI, Doctors often have to make ethical decisions with or for a patient. I don't like the idea of someone of your calibre being in that position very much..
    That's a scary thought....
    "We need to get this tumor out, whatever it takes. If we don't, the patient will die. Yes, yes, take out the liver. It's loss is better than death. Still can't find it? Ok, remove the kidneys. Goddamnit, there's blood everywhere! I can't operate like this! Stop the heart, I need to remove this tumor!"


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    #832
    Fete
    Registered Users Posts: 61 ✭✭Fete


    Sigi wrote: »
    Well I'm not cheating but either Computer science,psychology or physics.Probably comp sci
    Sigi wrote: »
    No free will eh?As far as I'm aware you do indeed have the option to cheat.
    And I don't plan to tell anybody I worked hard.I didn't need to and therefore I didn't.
    I'm confused. Are you or are you not cheating. You really make it sound like you are....


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    #833
    LadyGaga!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 140 ✭✭LadyGaga!


    Love this thread. Js!


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    #834
    randylonghorn
    Registered Users Posts: 29,509 ✭✭✭✭randylonghorn


    Healium wrote: »


    /flees from randy's burned out banhamma'
    My hamma' is far from burned out, dude, lots of life left in it yet! ;)


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    #835
    Sigi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 134 ✭✭Sigi


    Fete wrote: »
    I'm confused. Are you or are you not cheating. You really make it sound like you are....

    Lol.I'm not cheating but I didn't study either.I'm fairly good at remembering things first time around so I've no need to go over it again.

    I'm arguing that I see no problem with cheating and that if thats what you need to get where you want to be,then go for it.


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    #836
    Areq
    Closed Accounts Posts: 147 ✭✭Areq


    @ Fete

    Well i'd say that even if he is, he isn't gonna admit it ... unless he is an idiot :D but nice try xD
    :pac: @ @ @


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    #837
    Fete
    Registered Users Posts: 61 ✭✭Fete


    Areq wrote: »
    @ Fete

    Well i'd say that even if he is, he isn't gonna admit it ... unless he is an idiot :D but nice try xD
    :pac: @ @ @
    Oh believe me. I'm not trying to catch anyone out here ;) Obviously that wouldn't work. It's just that up until he stated that he doesn't cheat, it had sounded like he was admitting he did. And those two posts to me looked like an attempt at trolling. Guess not though.


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    #838
    thebullkf
    Registered Users Posts: 3,006 ✭✭✭thebullkf


    MichelleSm1th wrote: »
    Are you doing the leaving cert this year? If not, which I highly believe you are not, then you clearly are out of touch with the youth of today! Whilst you will be busy with your life in later years commenting on things that have nothing to do with you, I will be progressing successfully in life doing things worthwhile like saving lives and helping the poor.




    LMAO!!!!!!!!





    lot to learn....


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    #839
    Mick Daly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 558 ✭✭✭Mick Daly


    Sigi wrote: »
    Lol.I'm not cheating but I didn't study either.I'm fairly good at remembering things first time around so I've no need to go over it again.

    I'm arguing that I see no problem with cheating and that if thats what you need to get where you want to be,then go for it.

    Yes. People must get of their high horses and let go. They spend too much time bothering about others. I think the OP was wrong. I wouldn't be spoofing of someone who is sitting in the same exam hall as myself. There is a loyalty there, not jealousy. I don't hate the person that gets up and goes to the toilet. I don't feel sorry for them. My opinion is no different of them than it was before. Good luck to them and I'd hope they get what they want. No hard feelings. I'm not cheating and I don't care what the hell anyone else does. I wouldn't think too much about it. Move on. It's not your problem.


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    #840
    fufureida
    Registered Users Posts: 716 ✭✭✭fufureida


    Mick Daly wrote: »
    You decide if you want to suck or lick.

    personally I prefer licks. Lol


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    #841
    randylonghorn
    Registered Users Posts: 29,509 ✭✭✭✭randylonghorn


    fufureida wrote: »
    personally I prefer licks. Lol
    :rolleyes:

    S&S is thattaway!
    >


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