Cheating in the Leaving Cert

LC2010HIS

i admit this is unfair but arent we past all this "watching ur classmates" crap? Look, its frankly non of your business. Yes, its unfair but u obviously have the capability to pass urself ! If not, wouldnt u be doing this urself? Why dont you stop watching other dishonest people and concentrate on yourself and your performance? Let them get caught out - sooner or later, they will :rolleyes:


EDIT : steal college places!!!! :O ***** !!

fufureida

LC2010HIS wrote: »

i admit this is unfair but arent we past all this "watching ur classmates" crap? Look, its frankly non of your business. Yes, its unfair but u obviously have the capability to pass urself ! If not, wouldnt u be doing this urself? Why dont you stop watching other dishonest people and concentrate on yourself and your performance? Let them get caught out - sooner or later, they will :rolleyes:

... This is so god damn stupid it's unreal. Who said we are watching people? Ffs...



Please don't call people stupid. - R

validusername

fufureida wrote: »

Twitter..? I didn't hear about this...

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0612/1224272355457.html

callaway92

Lisa Round Planet wrote: »

You obviously haven't heard of Salman85

forgot about that thread...what an ape

anyone got a link to it?? searched Salmans name but couldnt find him

Cook!eMonster

callaway92 wrote: »

forgot about that thread...what an ape

anyone got a link to it?? searched Salmans name but couldnt find him

i think the thread comes up if u google search his name!

LC2010HIS

Samskeyti wrote: »

having a phone on their lap for an entire paper and reading saved messages from it.

Op must of saw them . . .
And I didnt say ye or we

LutherBlissett

fufureida wrote: »

No its not. You could just say tge record button accidently got pressed ( which sounds ridiculous but has happened to me before )
Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire. I don't care if he/she told my peers. He can lick my asre hole for all I care, and tge other lot.
I really don't get you people. Oh, he's cheating; so what. Let's not do anything. A girl I know who cheated in 2007 got 525 points. She admitted to ms later she hid alot if notes in her bra.

I basically hate cheaters. Scum of the earth.

It would still prove nothing.

However, you yourself might have to answer some tricky questions about why you created the possibility of enabling a recording device while having a conversation with a peer.

watevertrevor

fufureida wrote: »

No its not. You could just say tge record button accidently got pressed ( which sounds ridiculous but has happened to me before )
Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire. I don't care if he/she told my peers. He can lick my asre hole for all I care, and tge other lot.
I really don't get you people. Oh, he's cheating; so what. Let's not do anything. A girl I know who cheated in 2007 got 525 points. She admitted to ms later she hid alot if notes in her bra.

I basically hate cheaters. Scum of the earth.

Trust me im not defending them. I just don't think taping is the best way to go about catching them. Report it to the SEC and to the superintendents. I'm a strong advocate of get these people chucked out of the exams alltogether!

wonderfulname

Theres a lot of people pointing out the toilet break thing, just wondering, when the superintendent writes down when you went to and returned from the bathroom, what happens with this information? What is the point in them doing it? Would anyone take note if there were a 15min time gap and ask questions? I just don't get it!

aine92

Yeah the girl who sits beside me has notes in her pocket...but at the end of the day she doesnt have the book in there so she wont do outstandingly..Its annoying but they'll either be wrought with guilt or caught so..:rolleyes:

At the same time, if she even gets 5 or 10 points more than she should, she will sicken me and I'll never look at her the same... I'd feel so guilty, jesus!!

Oh Sheesh Yall Twas A Dream

validusername wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0612/1224272355457.html

It continues: “The use of mobile phones, reading of newspapers, or books, writing letters, sewing, knitting or engaging in any occupation other than superintending/reading/scribing, during the examinations, is incompatible with the proper discharge of their duties.”

Is this the 1950's

swabby

I did the leaving cert for the first time back in 2005 and noticed quiet a few people cheating during the exam, at the time, i was fairly pissed off at the time but said nothing. it turned out the people who were cheating managed to pass some of their pass exams but never went on to college (don't think it was ever part of their plan anyway), some of them even failed.

look, the people who are cheating are the same people who have done nothing all year and no matter how much they cheat, they will probably still fail. i guarantee you, even if they had the book on their lap, never mind a few saved draft messages, they would still not be able to construct an adequate essay, think about how long you spent writing notes all year.

You will see i am right!

it's up to you wheter or not you snitch on these people but i would suggest you don't, most of them are just under pressure and unable to study so they panic and decide to cheat. the others are doing it because they couldnt be arsed studying and these are the people who will still fail!

Snitching on these people is not worth the agro! just get on with your exam, i guarantee, you will get much higher marks than these people.

Messi 10

Just say nothing would be my advice. Just focus on your own exams. You have more chance of losing your college place because of spending all this time worrying about these cheaters than you do because of one of them actually out performing you and taking your place.

Also the few people cheating in your school aren't going to make any difference to the bell curve thing becuase there's so few of them in relation to the number of people in the country.

You will forever be remembered by your classmates as the person who ratted out the people from their year. They'll look upon you as a traitor. Now while it will obviously be the cheaters own fault for actually doing the cheating everyone will blame you and that's always how they'll remember you.

Do you want that?

If I was you I'd steady yourself up a bit and stop getting so worked up over it. Just relax. Live and let live.

cleirigh06

Definitly tell them.
The Leaving Cert is a competition amongst all the students of Ireland. It is a fact that only certain amount of students are even permitted to getting an A, etc. There is a certain percentage they are not allowed to exceed in giving specific grades. Their cheating can leave to your detriment.
Think of it as one big competition. They can be an opportunist and cheat, but if they caught they should pay the price.
Don't punish yourself by saving those who are ultimately punishing you when they become one of that percentage that get their desired grade

Fete

Personally I would inform someone if I were you. I don't care if it sounds snitchy. People cheating could lose you your place in college.

fauxshow

If you can work out a way to mention to the teacher in your school who is the Exam Secretary or the Principal that cheating is going on and ask to remain anonymous... they could do something like have a word with the superintendent and make an announcement saying ''We know cheating is going on, just to remind you of the implications of your actions etc'' it would help stop people from continuing to cheat and they'd get their comeuppance by not doing that well in the rest, without turning you into ''the snitch'' they all hate. If that many people are cheating they're not going to all be reported, the school will try and protect the students... ultimately it's the superintendent's and exam attendant's fault, but be brave and speak up because it's not fair!

randylonghorn

Oh Sheesh Yall Twas A Dream wrote: »

Is this the 1950's

People do still knit!

aine92

Messi 10 wrote: »

You will forever be remembered by your classmates as the person who ratted out the people from their year. They'll look upon you as a traitor. Now while it will obviously be the cheaters own fault for actually doing the cheating everyone will blame you and that's always how they'll remember you.

Do you want that?

Who gives a fcuk what they think, they shouldnt be let away with cheating end of! Its unfair that me, who has studied my ass off lets be honest has to sit beside somebody who couldnt care less to study.

It doesnt matter whether they'll fail or not, its the principle of it all. If I learn my Stair off and get 25, I deserve the 25. If she writes it somewhere and copies it down and gets 13, its still 13 undeserved marks that so many people worked hard for.

Bob the Builder

AlmostFamous wrote: »

Don't be a snitch. Concentrate on your own performance in the exams.

Yeah, I would agree with it to an extent...

fufureida wrote: »

I know how your feeling. Sure it's happening in my school and it's not fair. If I were you go talk to these people who you are gonnna cheat and ask them if tge cheated and if they will continue to cheat. Tape the entire conversation. Then inform the super intendant but do so anonymously you don't want people to find out you told... Good luck.

Uhhhh, you're not doing yourself any favours. Srsly...

challengemaster wrote: »

Also, They could also be cheating someone else out of a fair, deserved college spot.

So yes, at the end of the day, it affects everyone else. Report the ***** and I hope every single one is banned from state exams.

I really don't think that a competent exam student will be cheating. Usually students who cheat are trying to get over the line. And if you need cheats to do well in your Leaving, you're not going well in your course by any means...

Samskeyti wrote: »

So I shouldn't be a "snitch", I should just let people who do **** all work during school then do great in the most important exam of our lives get away with it? Why do people see it as snitching? Everyone needs to grow a pair and stamp out low lives like these, not just let them on with cheating and thinking they don't count when it comes to playing by the rules. So with all do respect I don't believe you calling me a snitch is helpful, ta.

Concentrating on my own exams is good advice but it's very difficult when this issue is such an annoyance.

Then report it. But don't sacrifice your reputation in the mean time, and think of the consequences.

Also, as far as I'm aware toilets and facilities in use by SEC are supposed to be checked every 30 minutes and locked before and after each exam.

irondragons wrote: »

If someone goes to the effort of orchestrating an attempt at cheating, I'd say let them get away with it.

"Really Now? But what about morals and justice?"

One must ask themselves why they are going to snitch on someone : Is it for self-satisfaction? Some skewed self-righteous ideal? The possibility that they did better than you?

I'd put my money on it that it's one of the above, and of course, neither of those things are very moral.

However. If you're mortal enemies with someone you suspect is a cheater, I wouldn't even blink at the opportunity of ratting them out.

You shouldn't just be reporting students and destroying their future opportunities based on your hatred for a small number of them or your hatred for your school.

itac wrote: »

Samskeyti, firstly delete all your private info off your profile on here-I now know who you are and what school you're talking about!

Imo, you've a few choices now that you've made this public....

1) Send a link to this page to several newspapers, maybe dropping another hint or few as to where the school is, and then let nature run it's course...they may pick up on it any way, remember last year's fiasco!

2) If you think talking to the supervisors will work, try it. But remember, you're basically going to be telling them they're crap at what they're doing. If they bring it to the attention of the SEC, it could end up with them being fired, so tis doubtful whether they'll report it.

3) Email the SEC yourself, (anonymously if you want) and let them know.

4) Keep the head down, say nowt and finish the exams hoping you never have to work/see the cheaters again.

It's a seriously sh** situation to find yourself in, don't envy you whatever you decide. Best of luck with your exams though, hope you get what you worked for, irrespective of those muppets.:)

No. 1 and 4 are bad ideas in my opinion. As for No. 2 and 3, the OP should deal with it on the merits of the situation.

Bringing the media into this situation is stupid, and will destroy the already questionable integrity for the exam, let alone providing newspapers with a field day. I've had the media piss all over our school when my two friends died by suicide and it's not a nice thing to happen, and trying to find my house because they heard the rest of the lads' friends were mourning there. I wouldn't wish the media on my worst enemy.

tracker-man

Just don't name names or point the finger. I would conveniently be the last one out of the exam hall and mention to the examiner you think there might be cheating going on. If they could walk around the room more cheating would soon become impossible or just too risky for the cheaters. I don't think any superintendent would be offended by that. They are after all, there to help. But don't snitch, don't name and shame. My 2 cents

zam

Cheating doesn't have many implications for english, history, etc, but science? It takes ages to learn off definitions etc when someone could easily have it in their sock.

Dublin4Life

An email to the Irish independent with your information might make you some handy cash

Ferris_Bueller

To be honest if anyone I knew snitched on people who were cheating, I would never be able to be friends with them again.

Judging from peoples reaction, it's clear most people are totally against cheaters and are deeming it completely unfair - which it is. However, if you snitch on these people you are potentially ruining their lives, they won't be able to repeat these exams for 7 years which means some of them could be 25/26 before doing anything progressive with their lives.

Now I know some of you may be saying "yes but if they cheat us out of a place in college they're also ruining our lives", wrong. I'm presuming the people who are complaining about the cheating are people who have worked hard over the years and aiming for a college course with reasonably high points - if you dont get into it your life will not be ruined, you'll still get into a good course and if you're determined enough you will still live the same succesful life that you're chasing.

And as many people have said, the people who do cheat are more than likely just aiming to pass, so most of you will probably not be effected whatsoever by them.

leavingcert

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055315462

Shanotheslayer

I'm no snitch, but Samskeyti is cheating:P

Meh, wouldn't rat them out. Wouldn't even mention it, but thats just me.

ED E

I've noticed that actually, if I wanted to cheat it would be easy, the supers are so lax. For instance, every single person I saw had their calculator covers with them with instructions label intact. This is illegal in the rules but they didn't give a rats ass. Also, two days in a row a girl beside me is still writing five minutes after they call stop, he has to wait for both days and yet doesnt even reprimand her?

challengemaster

Ferris_Bueller wrote: »

To be honest if anyone I knew snitched on people who were cheating, I would never be able to be friends with them again.

Judging from peoples reaction, it's clear most people are totally against cheaters and are deeming it completely unfair - which it is. However, if you snitch on these people you are potentially ruining their lives, they won't be able to repeat these exams for 7 years which means some of them could be 25/26 before doing anything progressive with their lives.

If they go into state exams cheating, knowing it's against all the rules and get caught, that's their own fault. There's no other way about it. There's a reason that the penalty for cheating in state exams is what it is. They decided to cheat, So it's not the person who tells on them ruining their lives, it's them ruining their own lives.

double GG

challengemaster wrote: »

If they go into state exams cheating, knowing it's against all the rules and get caught, that's their own fault. There's no other way about it. There's a reason that the penalty for cheating in state exams is what it is. They decided to cheat, So it's not the person who tells on them ruining their lives, it's them ruining their own lives.

COULD NOT AGREE MORE! If they are cheating, surely they should face the consequences if they are caught.

luv-eirexx

A lot of people on this thread are saying that the cheaters are probably just aiming to pass the lc and just let them at it because they won't be taking your college course but how do you know??
The cheaters in the lc could be very good students, capable of getting a B and they are just cheating so that they will get an even higher grade than that to maximise their points.
I'm doing the lc now and if I ever found out that anyone in my year was cheating like that I'd be very angry, it's just not fair. People saying that you should just leave them aren't the ones who will have to hear them telling you how they are soo happy with their 400 (dishonest) points on august 18th!!

I wouldn't tell the supervisor at first because they could get into a lot of trouble but tell one of your teachers/principal before an exam and get them to have a "word" with the cheaters. If they continue to cheat then maybe then tell your supervisor!!

Dublin4Life

leavingcert wrote: »

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055315462

Salman Hamid......hahahah!!!!!!............that was two years ago on bebo, you would probably find him on face book now too;)

Ferris_Bueller

challengemaster wrote: »

If they go into state exams cheating, knowing it's against all the rules and get caught, that's their own fault. There's no other way about it. There's a reason that the penalty for cheating in state exams is what it is. They decided to cheat, So it's not the person who tells on them ruining their lives, it's them ruining their own lives.

If they get caught then yes it's completely their own decision to take that risk, but I'm saying if someone rats on them.

I'm sure most of you know people who have taken drugs, this is also against all the rules and the penalty for being in possession of drugs is what it is (I'm not sure exactly what mind you), would youse feel the temptation to tell the gardaí that their taking drugs just because its wrong?

challengemaster

Ferris_Bueller wrote: »

If they get caught then yes it's completely their own decision to take that risk, but I'm saying if someone rats on them.

I'm sure most of you know people who have taken drugs, this is also against all the rules and the penalty for being in possession of drugs is what it is (I'm not sure exactly what mind you), would youse feel the temptation to tell the gardaí that their taking drugs just because its wrong?

You make doing the right thing sound so bad. Shame, really.

argosy2006

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIZua3y3NW8

'I aint taking it ya cheater'

luv-eirexx

Ferris_Bueller wrote: »

If they get caught then yes it's completely their own decision to take that risk, but I'm saying if someone rats on them.

I'm sure most of you know people who have taken drugs, this is also against all the rules and the penalty for being in possession of drugs is what it is (I'm not sure exactly what mind you), would youse feel the temptation to tell the gardaí that their taking drugs just because its wrong?

I get what your saying but for a lot of people the leaving cert is the biggest exam of their life and I know that I've been told for the past year that I'm in competition with everyone else in the country. So you wouldn't be telling on them just because it's wrong . .

I'd do it because why should they so unfairly have such an advantage over everyone else?? I put in the work and effort and I would just be so put out by someone getting good (or better ) grades than me by cheating.

It's not really the morally right reasons for snitching but it's the truth ...;)

Aoifey!

Ferris_Bueller wrote: »

If they get caught then yes it's completely their own decision to take that risk, but I'm saying if someone rats on them.

I'm sure most of you know people who have taken drugs, this is also against all the rules and the penalty for being in possession of drugs is what it is (I'm not sure exactly what mind you), would youse feel the temptation to tell the gardaí that their taking drugs just because its wrong?

Them taking drugs would not in any way affect me, or take away from the fact I did not. Where as cheating could affect my college place and take away from my hard work.

swabby

I honestly cannot believe there are so many people here, who think it would be a great idea to rat out someone for cheating in the lc. Seriously, these people will in no way affect your grade. there is simply no way that any student who is aiming for medium to high marks is going to cheat.
We all know the type of people who are going to cheat, are the students who have done nothing all year and most of them are panicking now because they want a simple pass in the leaving cert, for employment or fas course, not for college.
I think its time for everyone to climb down off there high horses! I know the leaving cert seems like the most important thing in the world to all of ye now, trust me, its not and soon you will be longing for the days when it was, no point ruining someone elses life because they hid a few cheat notes in their socks to help dem pass!
Remember, these people are probably not as smart as you or havent put the same amount of work in as you, for various reasons.
Stop whinging, get on with your own work and you will be fine!:P

dee o gee

swabby wrote: »

I honestly cannot believe there are so many people here, who think it would be a great idea to rat out someone for cheating in the lc. Seriously, these people will in no way affect your grade. there is simply no way that any student who is aiming for medium to high marks is going to cheat.
We all know the type of people who are going to cheat, are the students who have done nothing all year and most of them are panicking now because they want a simple pass in the leaving cert, for employment or fas course, not for college.
I think its time for everyone to climb down off there high horses! I know the leaving cert seems like the most important thing in the world to all of ye now, trust me, its not and soon you will be longing for the days when it was, no point ruining someone elses life because they hid a few cheat notes in their socks to help dem pass!
Remember, these people are probably not as smart as you or havent put the same amount of work in as you, for various reasons.
Stop whinging, get on with your own work and you will be fine!:P

Have you actually read the whole thread? Did you see any of the posts explaining the bell curve?

In my opinion I would actually say its the opposite way around, I know plenty of people who just couldn't be bothered what there results are, they just plan to be a bum for a few years or just do a fas course, these people couldn't be bothered cheating because they do not really care too much for their results.
From my experience anyways I know a girl who cheated for nearly every exam during school including the mocks, teachers think she is an absolute brainbox, she is quite smart and does a lot of work and im sure could do well without cheating. She isin't cheating for the LC, but im sure there are plenty of people just like her that need 550+ points for veterinary, medicine or dentistry, and would take the risk in hope of going from an A2 to a A1.

Just to add my 2 cents, I would report them but be extra careful to remain anon.

Killer Pigeon

Just had to.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnqQhUdXgvI

fufureida

Lol

randylonghorn

Ah yes, Mr. Cartman, a hero for the modern age ...

gant0

Don't be a dirty ****ing rat!!!why would you willing go about to ruin someones whole life??are you really that sad? does it bother you that much?.Ya people cheat,people in my centre cheat but why care unless they're actually interferring with your exam.It's there lives their risking.If you do snitch tho I can quarantee you karma will follow you for the rest of your life and you will NEVER get laid!!!:eek:

irondragons

gant0 wrote: »

you will NEVER get laid!!!:eek:

Hard facts, right here, guys.

slasher_65

gant0 wrote: »

Don't be a dirty ****ing rat!!!why would you willing go about to ruin someones whole life??are you really that sad? does it bother you that much?.Ya people cheat,people in my centre cheat but why care unless they're actually interferring with your exam.It's there lives their risking.If you do snitch tho I can quarantee you karma will follow you for the rest of your life and you will NEVER get laid!!!:eek:

I suspect we may have found a cheater.

LadyGaga!

slasher_65 wrote: »

I suspect we may have found a cheater.

I'm starting to think that those defending the cheaters are the ones actually cheating. Really hope they all get found out.

shi7zman

We had someone cawt for cheatin in our school last yr. all that happened was the exam he did it in got cancelled. the rest didnt get touched. you dont get a ban or anything. he got cawt as a parent of another student rang the commission and the supervisor was told by them.
next exam he was checked and notes were found in his pencil case. he could still sit the rest of his exams.
if you are going to report it there are ways of doing it anon!

ldxo15wus6fpgm

Ferris_Bueller wrote: »

If they get caught then yes it's completely their own decision to take that risk, but I'm saying if someone rats on them.

I'm sure rules and the penalty for being in possession of drugs is what it is (I'm not sure exactly what mind you), would youse feel the temptation to tell the gardaí that their taking drugs just because its wrong?e most of you know people who have taken drugs, this is also against all th

Same thing, they know there's the possibility of getting caught / someone alerting the examiner. Too bad for them if they get caught, I hope they all get kicked out of the exams. We have all worked hard and spent time slaving over books and notes, to try and do well in the exams. Why should they be able to do nothing all year and then come out with the same/better grades? That's a load of b*llocks.
I can't believe some of the people on this calling it snitching and crap. The facts are, some people are cheating for high points they wouldn't get otherwise, they will affect your results, and they will take a college place, if not yours then someone like you in another part of the country has missed out on their course because of a dirty cheating scumbag.

People taking drugs won't affect you in any way. That's not an accurate analogy. If there was someone assaulting you in the street, would you report it to the gardai? Oh wait, I forgot, that's 'snitching' isn't it? :rolleyes:

Ferris_Bueller

LadyGaga! wrote: »

I'm starting to think that those defending the cheaters are the ones actually cheating. Really hope they all get found out.

For one I do not particularly like being called a cheater. I wouldn't cheat in these exams, partially for the fear of getting caught, but also because if I was so determined to do well in my exams I would have worked a bit harder over the past 2 years. Cheating is wrong and personally I wouldn't do it, but I also believe getting someones exams cancelled is wrong, and I wouldn't do that either.

Lisa Round Planet wrote: »

Same thing, they know there's the possibility of getting caught / someone alerting the examiner. Too bad for them if they get caught, I hope they all get kicked out of the exams. We have all worked hard and spent time slaving over books and notes, to try and do well in the exams. Why should they be able to do nothing all year and then come out with the same/better grades? That's a load of b*llocks.
I can't believe some of the people on this calling it snitching and crap. The facts are, some people are cheating for high points they wouldn't get otherwise, they will affect your results, and they will take a college place, if not yours then someone like you in another part of the country has missed out on their course because of a dirty cheating scumbag.

People taking drugs won't affect you in any way. That's not an accurate analogy. If there was someone assaulting you in the street, would you report it to the gardai? Oh wait, I forgot, that's 'snitching' isn't it? :rolleyes:

Okay sorry, just couldn't think of a better word than snitching, if you have any suggestions I'll edit my posts. I just do not see it worth ruining another persons life for this, the fact that everyone wants to do it anonomously is perhaps suggesting that you know it's wrong and don't want to be caught for doing it (but I am probably jumping to conclusions).

Also, big difference in cheating and assaulting someone on the street. It's more like if you saw a dodgey looking character on the street, would you ring the gardai? As they could potentially harm you or others.


And btw, I'm not trying to cause uproar or get this thread closed or anything, so if we can keep this as a discussion it would be nice (which most of you are).

Daroxtar

Don't worry too mch about the test results, just wait a few years. At the current rate of simplification the exams will be dumbed down so much that you'll be certain to get 500 points just for keeping the crayon inside the lines.

ldxo15wus6fpgm

Ferris_Bueller wrote: »

Okay sorry, just couldn't think of a better word than snitching, if you have any suggestions I'll edit my posts. I just do not see it worth ruining another persons life for this, the fact that everyone wants to do it anonomously is perhaps suggesting that you know it's wrong and don't want to be caught for doing it (but I am probably jumping to conclusions).

Perhaps just call it informing the authorities? :rolleyes:
The thing is, they're the ones getting their exams cancelled and ruining their lives, not you. They know the rules and are prepared to take the risk. It doesn't matter how they're caught. People want to do it anonymously for fear of a retaliation from the person caught cheating / their peers. People in Ireland seem to have this thing about keeping their mouths shut in situations like this, say nothing and pretend it never happened, and that's something that needs to change IMO.

Ferris_Bueller wrote: »

Also, big difference in cheating and assaulting someone on the street. It's more like if you saw a dodgey looking character on the street, would you ring the gardai? As they could potentially harm you or others.

Not really a big difference. Much less than your comparison anyway. A cheater in the LC is hurting your chances of getting your college course. A person assaulting you is physically hurting you. In either case it should be reported to the authorities. A cheater is not going to "potentially harm you" as you so lightly put it, they will harm you.

Ferris_Bueller

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you still get the college course you want, are they still harming you? And how?