Cheating in the Leaving Cert

Hank_Jones

tommytomtom wrote: »

The pain of finishing secondary school forever with good results and 3/4 years of craic in college? Yeah I can live with that.

And sure they could track the ip but they still coudn't prove whether I cheated or not because it's already happened and I wasn't caught!

I'm wondering if an online confession is legally binding...

Shanotheslayer

Sigi wrote: »

As in,I got a good result and didn't waste months of my life studying irrelevant information with no actual use to me?

Ah so I suppose we should all take shortcuts in life so. If thats the case. Well I'd hope some of the stuff is relevant considering most doctors would of studied Biology in school!

dan_d

tommytomtom wrote: »

The LC is a terrible way of determining college places with most of what you do throughout 5th and 6th year irrelevant as long as you learn off loads and loads of material in the month leading up to the exam.

Actually it's an extremely fair way - compared to what went before, where the people your parents knew and the amount of money they had dictated whether or not you went to college, let alone what course you did. And you haven't met college exams yet. The LC isn't a patch on them - and there's no sympathy or widespread media hysteria over them.

I don't think cheating is as widespread as you all seem to be so convinced it is. Either way, the idiots who cheated - AND confessed to it on an internet site - good luck to you all. You're obviously not mature enough to see the much bigger picture here. The LC is a stepping stone to giving you as much opportunity as possible to decide what to do with the rest of your lives. It's not an exam set to trip you up and trick you by all the teachers who have ever given out to you.

To those who do understand where the LC sits in the bigger picture, and who are grown up enough to see that you get out of it what you put into it, best of luck, I hope you all get what you want.

unknown13

Sigi wrote: »

I honestly don't see anything wrong with cheating in the Lc.

There is lots of things wrong with cheating in a state exam.

Michael 09

Ha this guy is very naive... Yes the LC is a means to an end but its also meant to be productive and make you a bit smarter to get through life... You may cheat and get a decent result in August and you may get into college... Hey you might even last through college by cheating as its easier to cheat in college than the LC but the fun will really start when you graduate with your pieace of sh1t degree, get a job and realise that you have the mental capabilities of a 12 year old because you havent studied a day in your life. You will be fired within a week as any decent employer sees through bullsh1t quicker than you can realise how to log into your shiney new laptop. You'll then end up working in McDonalds asking the people who actually studied what sauce they want... So lets save all the hassle, stop cheating yourself and other people who actually worked, apply to McD's now and the let the hard working people get on in life.

ynotdu

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2010/0615/1224272522104.html

Sigi

There is lots of things wrong with cheating in a state exam.

Explain?

Shanotheslayer

Sigi wrote: »

Explain?

Read through the thread. You'll find a bunch of opinions and people saying why there againts it.

irondragons

Sigi wrote: »

I honestly don't see anything wrong with cheating in the Lc.

Sigi wrote: »

As in,I got a good result and didn't waste months of my life studying irrelevant information with no actual use to me?

Sigi

Read through the thread. You'll find a bunch of opinions and people saying why there againts it.

I dont' agree with them.

irondragons wrote: »

Lol.I'm actually being serious though.

Michael 09

You're either winding people up or you're the bigges r3t4rd I've ever come across on boards...

Sigi

You're either winding people up or you're the bigges r3t4rd I've ever come across on boards...

Please elaborate?

Ashashi

Sigi, some of use have put in hard work, to get our college place, some of us have given up time during our year to get where we are now. If you cheat, you just prove how much of a gob****e you are, too stupid/lazy to put in the time.

If you are cheating, hope you get caught, if you have done your leaving, hope you are removed from the gene pool with that thinking. Moron.

tommytomtom

Michael 09 wrote: »

Ha this guy is very naive... Yes the LC is a means to an end but its also meant to be productive and make you a bit smarter to get through life... You may cheat and get a decent result in August and you may get into college... Hey you might even last through college by cheating as its easier to cheat in college than the LC but the fun will really start when you graduate with your pieace of sh1t degree, get a job and realise that you have the mental capabilities of a 12 year old because you havent studied a day in your life. You will be fired within a week as any decent employer sees through bullsh1t quicker than you can realise how to log into your shiney new laptop. You'll then end up working in McDonalds asking the people who actually studied what sauce they want... So lets save all the hassle, stop cheating yourself and other people who actually worked, apply to McD's now and the let the hard working people get on in life.

Ah get a grip will you, you're being sensationalist.....The world isn't all about how much you learned off when you were 17/18 for a three week block of exams. And if you were actually informed you would know that college takes into account continuous assessment where assignments and projects are as important as exams so you can work steadily through the year instead of having year's worth of material to remember and regurgitate in the space of two hours.

Hard work only gets you so far, a bit of savvy and creativity in a chosen field will set you on a career path that will be enjoyable as well as successful......Do you want fries with that?

Shanotheslayer

Sigi wrote: »

I dont' agree with them.

You asked for peoples opinions. You didn't say ''persuade me that cheating is not okay




tool...

Sigi

You asked for peoples opinions. You didn't say ''persuade me that cheating is not ok''.

OK then,Persuade me that cheating is not ok...

Shanotheslayer

tommytomtom wrote: »

Hard work only gets you so far, a bit of savvy and creativity in a chosen field will set you on a career path

Job Interview:

*Why should we hire you?*

*Well... I was savvy and was creatitive. I wasn't stupid enough to actually study for my state exams. I decided to use my creativity to cheat.*


In other words :I wasn't fúcking bothered to try really hard to study. Instead I made cheat sheets and decided that I would declare that as being creative...

You must be taking the piss.

Shanotheslayer

Sigi wrote: »

OK then,Persuade me that cheating is not ok...

Your mind is already set that cheating is fine. I'm not gonna waste my time trying to persuade somebody that it's not ok.

schween

Michael 09 wrote: »

So lets save all the hassle, stop cheating yourself and other people who actually worked, apply to McD's now and the let the hard working people get on in life.

People in McDonald's work hard. Less of the elitism/snobbery.

I don't think cheating in the L.C. is OK. It would p!ss me off if I learned somebody got a place I wanted by cheating. But I guess you'll never know.

Sigi

Job Interview:

*Why should we hire you?*

*Well... I was savvy and was creative. I wasn't stupid enough to actually study for my state exams. I decided to use my creativity to cheat.*


In other words :I wasn't fúcking bothered to try really hard to study. Instead my made cheat sheets and decided that I would declare that as being creative...

You must be taking the piss.

Yeah thats exactly what I'm going to say...

And yeah I'm not bothered studying as I don't need to,but I'm not cheating either.If however I did feel the need to cheat I would end up with a good leaving cert like everyone else who studies,get into college and end up with the same degree...

junior_apollo

Fad wrote: »

This.

Some incredible number of people in my year cheated, none of them got courses they wanted and ended up in ITs.......

BUT.

Please stop bítching at eachother, Boards is a discussion forum......

I take offense to your comment regarding IT's, what makes Universities any "better?"

I went to an IT by choice, WIT, infact I didnt want to go to any of the Universities for different reasons, I attained a very reputable degree from said IT, and currently work for a large software company.

IT's arent a sub-standard education, and at the time the degree I received was recognised as better than most of the University computer degrees.

Shanotheslayer

Sigi wrote: »

I'm not bothered studying as I don't see a need to,but I'm not cheating either.

Are you even doing your L.C? Your not studying? And say your not cheating?

You must be the ''cool'' kids of boards so..

There is a need to studying if you want your college course.

tommytomtom

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Job Interview:

*Why should we hire you?*

*Well... I was savvy and was creatitive. I wasn't stupid enough to actually study for my state exams. I decided to use my creativity to cheat.*


In other words :I wasn't fúcking bothered to try really hard to study. Instead I made cheat sheets and decided that I would declare that as being creative...

You must be taking the piss.

You've either misread my post or you probably failed English because I was saying that if you specialise in something in college that you're interested in and you can be creative with then a potential employer (in that industry) isn't going to care that you got a D in some LC subject that isn't relevant to the job you want to get.

I don't see cheating as creativity, I'm purely doing it to get ahead and get mine because I'm looking out for numero uno....And what anybody thinks about my cheating doesn't bother me in the slightest and I would suggest you shouldn't let other people's business bother you either.

Shanotheslayer

tommytomtom wrote: »

I would suggest you shouldn't let other people's business bother you either.

It doesn't bother me. I stateed previously that the person shouldn't ''snitch''.

I'm simply trying to make you understand what your doing, because you seem to think it's ''ok'' to cheat when it's not.

Michael 09

If I was actually informed?? I have a degree from UCD you moron.

I'm not being sensationalist and no its not about what you learned off, its about what you understood. There's more to exams than knowing what to write, someone who gets the most out of exams is someone who knows WHY they're writing it, not just what they're writing.

Being a lazy f**ker is not the same as being 'savvy and creative' so stop trying to hide behind an 'entrpreneurial' fantasy that you're smarter than everyone for NOT studying. You're a cop out.

I'm all about working smart, not hard but that means making the most of your study time, not cheating.

Second instance of personal abuse - 3 day ban. - RLH

tracker-man

tommytomtom wrote: »

You've either misread my post or you probably failed English because I was saying that if you specialise in something in college that you're interested in and you can be creative with then a potential employer (in that industry) isn't going to care that you got a D in some LC subject that isn't relevant to the job you want to get.

I don't see cheating as creativity, I'm purely doing it to get ahead and get mine because I'm looking out for numero uno....And what anybody thinks about my cheating doesn't bother me in the slightest and I would suggest you shouldn't let other people's business bother you either.

How do they know you didn't cheat in your college exams? How do they know you are not goin to cheat on them? Steal money? Pull sickdays ? Not do satisfactory work? Not meet deadlines? Once a cheater always a cheater. Your true colours will eventually show...

Sigi

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Are you even doing your L.C? Your not studying? And say your not cheating?

You must be the ''cool'' kids of boards so..

There is a need to studying if you want your college course.

I am doing it,have to leave in a minute actually.And no I'd say the need for studying depends on the individual.I tend to remember most things first time around so I just look over them the morning before.And no,I'm not cheating.

WIZE

Cheating in an Exam:eek:

I sat my LC in 1997 cheating was common even then

People would write stuff on the bottom of Pencil Cases , Rulers , Hands ,tiny peices of paper I have even seen some one cover there Legs and Arms with stuff about poets and Equations for maths

You will always get Cheating in Exams .

Im 31 now and would still cheat if I had an exam now

I not saying its the right thing to do but it suited me at the time

irondragons

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Are you even doing your L.C? Your not studying? And say your not cheating?

You must be the ''cool'' kids of boards so..

There is a need to studying if you want your college course.

He didn't study because he's naturally intelligent.

Don't let it get you down, champ.

Crow92

Cheating is ok if you have no moral conscience or sense of right or wrong.
But there is actually something wrong with you if you truly believe that cheating is ok.

Cheating is an act of lying, deception, fraud, trickery, imposture, or imposition. Cheating characteristically is employed to create an unfair advantage, usually in one's own interest, and often at the expense of others

And do you don't see why you do like 6-9 subjects for the leaving cert?.
Obviously for some subjects it'll give you a stepping stone with what you want to study but the LC is not testing how smart you are. It's how hard your willing to work. If your not going to work now why would we assume your not going to cheat in college, get kicked out and waste a place someone else could get?

Shanotheslayer

WIZE wrote: »

Im 31 now and would still cheat if I had an exam now

Says an awful lot about you I'm afraid mate.

Ashashi

tommytomtom wrote: »

You've either misread my post or you probably failed English because I was saying that if you specialise in something in college that you're interested in and you can be creative with then a potential employer (in that industry) isn't going to care that you got a D in some LC subject that isn't relevant to the job you want to get.

I don't see cheating as creativity, I'm purely doing it to get ahead and get mine because I'm looking out for numero uno....And what anybody thinks about my cheating doesn't bother me in the slightest and I would suggest you shouldn't let other people's business bother you either.

Did you just admit to cheating?

Sigi

Crow92 wrote: »

Cheating is ok if you have no moral conscience or sense of right or wrong.
But there is actually something wrong with you if you truly believe that cheating is ok.

Cheating is an act of lying, deception, fraud, trickery, imposture, or imposition. Cheating characteristically is employed to create an unfair advantage, usually in one's own interest, and often at the expense of others

And do you don't see why you do like 6-9 subjects for the leaving cert?.
Obviously for some subjects it'll give you a stepping stone with what you want to study but the LC is not testing how smart you are. It's how hard your willing to work. If your not going to work now why would we assume your not going to cheat in college, get kicked out and waste a place someone else could get?

The leaving cert isn't about right or wrong...Its a competition to see who can recite the most on exam day and by doing so get a college place.Why wouldn't somebody do everything in their power to maximize their advantage?If some people don't want to cheat so be it,its their loss..

And if I was planning on wasting a college place I wouldn't bother with the Lc in the first place.

Cabaal

M&S* wrote: »

At the end of the day it's not going to affect your results so why bother worrying about it? Concentrate on yourself I'd say!

err yes and no,
It could very much affect the OP's college placement as the people that cheat could get higher point and take college placements they may not have gotten had they not cheated.

As such cheating does affect people that put in the hard work and study, anybody that cheats is only fooling themselves

Shanotheslayer

Sigi wrote: »

Why wouldn't somebody do everything in their power to maximize their advantage?.

First thing I thought of there was punching you in the face so you wouldn't be able to do the exams. Sorry mate:D


Watch it! - RLH

tommytomtom

tracker-man wrote: »

How do they know you didn't cheat in your college exams? How do they know you are not goin to cheat on them? Steal money? Pull sickdays ? Not do satisfactory work? Not meet deadlines? Once a cheater always a cheater. Your true colours will eventually show...

What are on about?I'm hardly gona go into an interview telling them I cheated in the LC....How would they know if someone who didn't cheat at anything ever in their lives is a cheater?They don't and what are you talking about true colours you racist?

Shanotheslayer

tommytomtom wrote: »

what are you talking about true colours you racist?

I lol'd at the stupidity of that.

racso1975

given this is all over the radio and papers today and an investigation has been launched by dept i'd advice people to go easy on the cog notes

chaoticmess

Okay okay this is really going round in circles!!

Maybe people wouldn't feel the need to cheat if there was a fairer system.

This whole "bell curve" with everyone basically being in competition against each other is completely ridiculous. People should be marked on their individual ability not compared to how well everyone else has done!

Also, one or two exams to summarize all of your work in a subject the past two years isn't fair either. And as I've said before, if someone is unlucky enough to get a migraine or something on the morning of an exam they're relying on for college, then that's a year of their life down the drain that they'll spend repeating.

Finally, putting two big exams on one day puts a lot of pressure on people. The night before the exam when they're trying to prioritize revision for exams they need for their course, a lot of people would consider cheating so that they can get the career that they want.

I'm not taking anyone's side - cheating is by no means right. But at the same time, it isn't always just out of laziness either, sometimes desperation because of pressure and having two important exams on the same day can cause it too.

For the record... I haven't and won't cheat, it would play on my conscience too much. I'd like to think when I get my results in August that they are accurate results of what I managed to achieve myself, not with the aid of notes. But that also means that I might not get the course I want, especially if what I am compared to is people copying things down from notes!

If the SEC doesn't want all the commotion every year with the exams, all the alleged cheating, all the media hype, maybe they should do something about the system.

Yes, granted, you'll still get a few cheaters here and there. But many of the current cheaters wouldn't need to if they felt better prepared for the exams.

Fuinseog

this thread was discussed on Morning Ireland. it will be probably make tomorrows papers.

Hank_Jones

Fuinseog wrote: »

this thread was discussed on Morning Ireland. it will be probably make tomorrows papers.

Or todays even.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2010/0615/1224272522104.html

Where do you think people talking on the radio get their news from?

Cabaal

blankguitarist wrote: »

well OP, you got what you wanted. official investigation today, so some people in your school won't be getting a leaving cert. should be proud.

Nobody will pass their leaving cert?.... pure speculation,
:rolleyes:

What will happen is there will be a clamp down on idiots trying to cheat, if that means mobile phones are taken off people as they enter the school then that is very much a good thing.

Nobody shoud have a mobile phone in their possession while taking part in a state exam anyway, if after being told this they are found with one it should be an automatic fail imho, between the abaility to call people, text people or just search the internet it leaves too much of a risk to allow students to have one during an exam.

ynotdu

Fuinseog wrote: »

this thread was discussed on Morning Ireland. it will be probably make tomorrows papers.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=66410058&postcount=258

WIZE

How is this such a big deal

They surely know this has been happening since Examinations started

Is it only because the OP went Public with it its an Investigation

Pretty silly really

Today , tomorrow and next year people around the Country will by cheating

They would Have to investigate anyone who needs to take a Piss or Takes out a tissue to blow there nose

Hank_Jones

ynotdu wrote: »

Ahemmm, dont people even read two pages back before they post?

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=66410058&postcount=258

Yeah, like seriously, who wouldn't read back over the last few pages in order to find a post pretty much exactly like theirs....

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=66408829&postcount=224

And then for you to tell other people off over it....

Ironing overload.

ynotdu

Hank_Jones wrote: »

Yeah, like seriously, who wouldn't read back over the last few pages in order to find a post pretty much exactly like theirs....

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=66408829&postcount=224

And then for you to tell other people off over it....

Ironing overload.

Thank God somebody actually does revision and does'nt cheat!;)

Elliee

Just speaking about this thread on Ray D'arcy today fm now.

trotter_inc

Elliee wrote: »

Just speaking about this thread on Ray D'arcy today fm now.

Snap

Tom Dunne

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

First thing I thought of there was punching you in the face so you wouldn't be able to do the exams. Sorry mate:D

No need for that kind of talk. Keep it civil, please.

Nijmegen

If there is mass cheating happening then it is the fault of the exam supervisers for not taking enough care, for example to check for notes in bathrooms or for phones on laps.

You can blame a kid for cheating, but they're under huge pressure and if there is an easy way to get an edge, they'll take it, just like most of us would in later life and different situations. (Ireland is replete with examples of cheaters in high places, lets not forget.)

One of the functions of an exam superviser should be to ensure that their exam center makes it visibly difficult to cheat, the same way an airport makes it visibly difficult to hijack a plane.

90% of the cheating would be gone if the exam supervisers made it look like you could likely get caught cheating. The other 10%, well, good luck to them on their repeats.