Illegal Drugs - What Have Taken?

Dublin_Gunner

penguin88 wrote: »

Oh I know.



The results are what they are, but there are faults to the system used as the authors stated (they are in the process I believe of publishing a more comprehensive method of assessing harm using category weightings, which should prove interesting). The way that list is bandied about, it seems people treat it as gospel.

It seems as though you may have missed the part of the paper stating that "direct comparison of the scores for tobacco and alcohol with those of the other drugs is not possible"...

Either way, you're being pedantic.

Both alcohol and cigarettes will remain on the list, even when using a new testing methodology.

The list, while maybe not 100% accurate, still serves its purpose of showing which drugs are the most harmful.

From the first list, it really doesn't matter what order they're placed, all can be very dangerous, in the wrong situations.

Kurtosis

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

Either way, you're being pedantic.

Both alcohol and cigarettes will remain on the list, even when using a new testing methodology.

The list, while maybe not 100% accurate, still serves its purpose of showing which drugs are the most harmful.

From the first list, it really doesn't matter what order they're placed, all can be very dangerous, in the wrong situations.

Not being pedantic at all, just putting the results in the context you seem to be ignoring.

Tobacco and alcohol were included because their
extensive use has provided reliable data on their risks and
harms, providing familiar benchmarks against which the
absolute harms of other drugs can be judged. However,
direct comparison of the scores for tobacco and alcohol
with those of the other drugs is not possible since the fact
that they are legal could aff ect their harms in various
ways, especially through easier availability.

Of course alcohol and tobacco use is dangerous, however the harm they cause is difficult to directly compare to illegal drugs.

AudreyHepburn

Jev/N wrote: »

LOL, so many misconceptions

Such as?

I've no problem with you disagreeing with me but you could at least clarfy what you mean?

I can't see any misconceptions......

And yes I've acknowledged that I drink now and then and that alcohol is a drug and it can be dangerous so don't bother going there because I've dealt with that.

Mike 1972

Does "illegal drugs" include drugs currently illegal in Ireland but which were legal at the time and/or place consumed ?

What about Poitin (or local equivalents) ?

Bob Z

starbelgrade wrote: »

They're all freely purchasable on the high street!

Thats terrible and should be stopped right away....er, what house number on the high street did you say?

oppenheimer1

I didn't know poppers were illegal. I had a gay flatmate once who used to enjoy sniffing that stuff. Made him fall around laughing it did.

Bob Z

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

I didn't know poppers were illegal. I had a gay flatmate once who used to enjoy sniffing that stuff. Made him fall around laughing it did.

I don't think they are illegal. Illogical some would say but not illegal

KittyeeTrix

Would've done loads of acid, speed and E back in the early 90's. used the cannabis and poppers too........
Had great fun and looking back now I wouldn't change a thing and honestly I've gotten into worse states when drunk.....
Don't do any drugs now as the rave scene transformed into the night-time feeding scene once the babies came along and the nights out became nights in.....

That said, cocaine wasn't about in my day as it is now and the drugs we used weren't addictive like cocaine.

Dublin_Gunner

fluffyorganic1 wrote: »

Would've done loads of acid, speed and E back in the early 90's. used the cannabis and poppers too........
Had great fun and looking back now I wouldn't change a thing and honestly I've gotten into worse states when drunk.....
Don't do any drugs now as the rave scene transformed into the night-time feeding scene once the babies came along and the nights out became nights in.....

That said, cocaine wasn't about in my day as it is now and the drugs we used weren't addictive like cocaine.

I've done crap loads of coke, and I'm not addicted.

You'd want to have some serious money to be/get addicted to coke, and be doing a lot of it, every day.

Gnomercy

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

I've done crap loads of coke, and I'm not addicted.

You'd want to have some serious money to be/get addicted to coke, and be doing a lot of it, every day.

I prefer Pepsi

KittyeeTrix

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

I've done crap loads of coke, and I'm not addicted.

You'd want to have some serious money to be/get addicted to coke, and be doing a lot of it, every day.

See whats even happened with me.....
I haven't done coke and can only go by media reports that I read about it, same for E back in my day when all our parents were believing that u could die after 1..

I shouldn't have done that, sorry......

KittyeeTrix

Actually could all the smack and crack heads please come forward now as there are some posters whom I've always suspected of being off their heads when posting......Thank you:p

Min

Never took any illeqal drug and I never intend to.

Kotek Besar

fluffyorganic1 wrote: »

all our parents were believing that u could die after 1..

People have died after taking one "Ecstasy" pill.

Tender Hoop

where is ketamine???

Lovely

moonpurple

my favourite drugs

an hours walk in sunshine
a swim
a movie
company of friends
coffee
being hang over free especially on sunday mornings

et al etcetera

thebigbiffo

moonpurple wrote: »

my favourite drugs

an hours walk in sunshine
a swim
a movie
company of friends
coffee
being hang over free especially on sunday mornings

et al etcetera

Min wrote: »

Never took any illeqal drug and I never intend to.

and the awards for best human beings go to...

Barname

why no option for meth?

bridgetbyrne

All drugs are good in moderation!!:rolleyes:

thebigbiffo

bridgetbyrne wrote: »

All drugs are good in moderation!!:rolleyes:

huh?

Pace2008

moonpurple wrote: »

my favourite drugs

an hours walk in sunshine
a swim
a movie
company of friends
coffee
being hang over free especially on sunday mornings

et al etcetera

All more fun on drugs.

moonpurple

moonpurple wrote: »

my favourite drugs

Mine used to be 32 decades of the rosary every evening, but now I find you can't beat the rush of getting up in the morning and running naked around the garden shouting 'HELLO AGAIN MISTER GOLDEN SUN". Life is good.

Is mise le key

All bar one of em:pac::P:o:):D:eek::(:mad::cool:

ScumLord

bridgetbyrne wrote: »

All drugs are good in moderation!!:rolleyes:

thebigbiffo wrote: »

huh?

Drugs have vastly improved my life experience. I feel sorry for people who will overlook such an enriching life experience based on the ignorance and scaremongering of people that are probably as dead as the supposed science they based their arguments on.

AudreyHepburn

ScumLord wrote: »

Drugs have vastly improved my life experience. I feel sorry for people who will overlook such an enriching life experience based on the ignorance and scaremongering of people that are probably as dead as the supposed science they based their arguments on.

How can heroin or coke or ecstacy or any other drug possibly enrich your life?

It's not ignorance or scaremongering it's fact. Drugs are dangerous in many different ways. They can damage health and ruin lives as well as kill.

Is mise le key

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

How can heroin or coke or ecstacy or any other drug possibly enrich your life?

By accessing usually little used or dormant parts of your mind & imagination which then filters back into your normal everyday life by broadening the way you perceive the world in general.

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

It's not ignorance or scaremongering it's fact. Cars are dangerous in many different ways. They can damage health and ruin lives as well as kill.

I have changed one word......see how risky & dangerouis a car is but it really enhances your life and broadens your horizons by transporting you to places you have never been.......same thing with drugs.

ScumLord

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

How can heroin or coke or ecstacy or any other drug possibly enrich your life?

It's not ignorance or scaremongering it's fact. Drugs are dangerous in many different ways. They can damage health and ruin lives as well as kill.

Well I haven't done Heroin and it's not really a recreational drug in that you can't really take it recreationally without ending up addicted. Ecstasy has enriched my life, as has weed, LSD/Shrooms Weed and Shrooms having the biggest effect.


Drugs have been behind allot of human art culture and science, we wouldn't be living in the world we're in now without drugs. That's a fact. Nothing allows you to explore your own mind like drugs do. They helped me realise that what I think isn't fact, what I see and hear may not be true, the brain can make up things and everything you experience is just one way of seeing things. I'm much happier in my roll as just another living thing now that drugs have destroyed the concept that it's me against the world.

Is mise le key

ScumLord wrote: »

, LSD/Shrooms Weed and Shrooms having the biggest effect.


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Heres a recent post of mine you may find interesting.

Doors of perception

Gnomercy

Is mise le key wrote: »

I have changed one word......see how risky & dangerouis a car is but it really enhances your life and broadens your horizons by transporting you to places you have never been.......same thing with drugs.

You cant get hooked on cars, they dont alter your mind and make you think there's demons in your eyes and make you take your eye out with a screwdriver, they dont make you violent, they dont make your septum fall out if you keep using them.

Pace2008

Gnomercy wrote: »

You cant get hooked on cars, they dont alter your mind and make you think there's demons in your eyes and make you take your eye out with a screwdriver, they dont make you violent, they dont make your septum fall out if you keep using them.

Ecstasy users reading this post will no doubt be nodding their heads solemnly in recognition of the all-too-familiar scenarios you've described.