Feelings on the Irish becoming swiftly disliked?

My name is URL

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

Enter Irish people into google and you get:

"Irish people are impervious to psychoanalysis"

A nice Freudian quote in there.

Freud didn't say that. It was claimed that he did, in a book called 'The Xenophobe's Guide to the Irish'.. which is Freudian in itself I guess =p

magick

InTheTrees wrote: »

Hmmm. I tried google and used the keywords "being irish" and didnt get anything too negative.

Maybe you were searching on:

www.lowselfesteem.com

completely agree

Dudess

[quote=[Deleted User];66465149]That's pretty accurate, IMO.

All in all, I don't think the Irish have ever been as universally loved as they liked to think. Sure, there is a lot of goodwill towards the Irish due to not starting wars and being good craic and all that, but a lot of people have rather negative impressions as well. I've worked abroad in several countries, and the Irish were NOT well thought of due to being unreliable, coming to work hungover, wrecking the accommodation, that type of thing. Like any other nationality, there are good and bad impressions. I'm still confused as to why so many Irish people reckon everyone loves them. It's not so. The Irish are certainly not disliked but I think a lot of people need to get over the feelings of superiority (or is it an inferiority complex which comes out as arrogance? I've given up thinking about it at this stage).[/QUOTE]
Well there are plenty of Irish people with an inferiority complex to balance things out...

Personally I don't think we Irish are wonderful or awful or anything - we're just people. We have our cultural quirks and foibles sure, but these don't fully define us.

ArseLtd

dr gonzo wrote: »

OK ill start by saying ive no statistics or specific articles that im talking about here

*Closes tab

Dudess

Dudess wrote: »

Well there are plenty of Irish people with an inferiority complex to balance things out...

I don't think we Irish are wonderful or awful or anything - we're just people. We have our cultural quirks and foibles sure, but these don't fully define us.

That's what I think. People like any other people. Yet so many Irish people seem to think the Irish are the most popular, amazing people in the world and anyone who says otherwise is jealous.

Killer Pigeon

dvpower wrote: »

Sure even God hates us now.
http://www.godhatesireland.com/

Well it's not only us apparently ...

http://www.godhatestheworld.com/

Dudess

That was certainly the case before and it made me cringe, especially when it came to sport and telling English people they should be ashamed of themselves (I remember RTE radio camped outside a cinema in London for a showing of In The Name Of The Father and asked random cinema-goers what they thought of it and wasn't it terrible etc... the respondents probably felt compelled to say it made them ashamed to be English or whatever - mortifying. This was 1993 or thereabouts).

The inferiority complex seems more prevalent now though - strange how in lean times it was all about the celebration of being Irish whereas come wealth and success and it's the opposite. Seems to be the case anyway...

Tchaikovsky

z_topaz wrote: »

I'm not surprised.

We always had our own reputation - saints/scholars/raging alcoholics, but we were respected in that we were thought of as a strong willed people.

I'm sure lots of people won't agree with me, but since the Celtic Tiger took hold and we got used to having plenty, we turned soft, and now that things have gone sour, we've become a nation of whingers. We go on about how life is shite, but, most of us do little other than whine.

Once the respect is gone, the things about us that were previously endearing quickly just become flaws.

Don't get me wrong, I miss the economically good times. And I am in no way condoning those rebellious movements or groups which have cost so many lives. I just think we were very quick to roll over and show our belly when we thought it would get us a new car or second house and we've lost our edge because of it.

Well, as long as you're speaking on behalf of us all.

Killer Pigeon

My name is URL wrote: »

Freud didn't say that. It was claimed that he did, in a book called 'The Xenophobe's Guide to the Irish'.. which is Freudian in itself I guess =p

OK, well at least Matt Damon says it, that has to count as something ...

Fratton Fred

As we are obviously generalising here I might get away with this.

Up to about 8 years ago, the Irish were cool friendly people.

Between 8 and 2 years ago, the Irish became the most unbelievably arrogant, head up their hole nation on the planet.

For the past 2 years, the Irish are starting to become cool again.

Oh yeah, the whole "kiss me, I'm Irish" thing and the "everywhere we go all we have to do is spew out a bit of blarney and the girls drop their knickers", not cool guys. Not cool at all.

I'm generalising obviously.

Steodonn

Were to start
Fianna Fail finegael
33rd world cup team lol
The Catholic Church
Arrogance
Joe Duffy
Hating england walking around in a Man utd/Liverpool ect jersey
I could put down more but that why I hate you all :P

Dudess

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

The truth is people are jealous of the fact that Irish blood has swept to the four corners of the Earth and is influenced to world so much. People are just so jealous that for such a small nation we have had so much of an impact.

In fairness, I don't think that's the truth.

Wolfe Tone

Fratton Fred wrote: »

As we are obviously generalising here I might get away with this.

Up to about 8 years ago, the Irish were cool friendly people.

Between 8 and 2 years ago, the Irish became the most unbelievably arrogant, head up their hole nation on the planet.

For the past 2 years, the Irish are starting to become cool again.

Oh yeah, the whole "kiss me, I'm Irish" thing and the "everywhere we go all we have to do is spew out a bit of blarney and the girls drop their knickers", not cool guys. Not cool at all.

I'm generalising obviously.

Thats fairly accurate. When everyone had a few quid we all went materialistic etc....

Tchaikovsky

I'd say about 95% of the world's population have either: a) never been to Ireland, b) never met or encountered an Irish person, c) know next to nothing about Ireland or d) never even heard of Ireland.

epgc3fyqirnbsx

This thread is reminding me of this, just scratch Scottish for Irish

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1tJJO_pVvQ

Lando Griffin

Tchaikovsky wrote: »

I'd say about 95% of the world's population have either: a) never been to Ireland, b) never met or encountered an Irish person, c) know next to nothing about Ireland or d) never even heard of Ireland.

or e) think Ireland is somewhere in England.

Killer Pigeon

Rylie Melodic Hospital wrote: »

This thread is reminding me of this, just scratch Scottish for Irish

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1tJJO_pVvQ

well he certainly look like he's taking a shíte anyway.

filthymcnasty

I think in general we are still liked abroad as a nation.
But we have milked this completely and get upset when all foreigners don't know every aspect of our culture and history when we often know fcuk all about theirs.
Irish people tend to get more patriotic and sentimental when abroad and normally sensible folk can be heard droning on about IRA/seven hundred years etc, this is an awful pain in the hole to an indifferent listener.
This does not endear us to others. Also the drunken irish thing has been going on for years now and is gradually wearing thin big time in some places, particularly Australia.

Tchaikovsky

Lando Griffin wrote: »

or e) think Ireland is somewhere in England.

Well, that would be included in c), hehe

Dudess

filthymcnasty wrote: »

I think in general we are still liked abroad as a nation.
But we have milked this completely and get upset when all foreigners don't know every aspect of our culture and history when we often know fcuk all about theirs.
Irish people tend to get more patriotic and sentimental when abroad and normally sensible folk can be heard droning on about IRA/seven hundred years etc, this is an awful pain in the hole to an indifferent listener.
This does not endear us to others. Also the drunken irish thing has been going on for years now and is gradually wearing thin big time in some places, particularly Australia.

Yeah, that group lets Irish people as a whole down... but then again, people of other nationalities who choose to let that cloud their view of the Irish aren't much better - I can understand it would be tempting if they're dealing with it day in day out, but that doesn't make it right. And I don't agree with us apologising for the behaviour of a bunch of muppets who happen to share our nationality either. I wouldn't expect English people to apologise for e.g. football hooligans.

orourkeda

jd007 wrote: »

I couldn't give a fuck what the rest of the world thinks of us tbh.

my sentiments exactly,

they can suck my big hairy sweaty rectum

stovelid

orourkeda wrote: »

my sentiments exactly,

they can suck my big hairy sweaty rectum

Is it prolapsed? Traditional sucking might be a problem otherwise?

prinz

[quote=[Deleted User];66465149]That's pretty accurate, IMO.
All in all, I don't think the Irish have ever been as universally loved as they liked to think. Sure, there is a lot of goodwill towards the Irish due to not starting wars and being good craic and all that, but a lot of people have rather negative impressions as well. I've worked abroad in several countries, and the Irish were NOT well thought of due to being unreliable, coming to work hungover, wrecking the accommodation, that type of thing.[/QUOTE]

+1. There once was a time when there would have been a lot of goodwill towards the Irish IMO, especially as industrious, hard workers, honest etc. It is the Irish themselves who are sabotaging that impression. Have met people in a few countries who have terrible ideas about Ireland and the Irish and listening to some of their stories it's hard to blame them tbh. I have heard of J1 students in the States robbing their employer of cash and stock before fecking off, in Germany I have been to an Irish bar where a large group from Ireland had spent the night drinking and eating and left without paying, a hostel in New York were reluctant to take myself and a friend as well, after what some Irish fools had done to the place before us.

[quote=[Deleted User];66465149]
I'm still confused as to why so many Irish people reckon everyone loves them. It's not so. The Irish are certainly not disliked but I think a lot of people need to get over the feelings of superiority (or is it an inferiority complex which comes out as arrogance? I've given up thinking about it at this stage).[/QUOTE]

It's hilarious. Some Irish people seem to use the 'sure everyone loves us' as a sort of blank cheque to do whatever the hell they want. The welcome is wearing thin in a lot of places IMO.

Sonnenblumen

Irish are inclined to be too delusional. Yes many things to feel good about, but also many to cause concern/embarassment. People's opinions can be influenced by marketing hype, propaganda or indeed experience. The latter especially first hand is perhaps the most influential, and should it be positive, then great, but if negative well that's not so good. Also to ignore/dismiss what others think of Irish is failing to miss the point and also reflects poorly on what the Irish think of themselves? Afterall, lack of pride, interest etc is hardly an attribute?

Although we can and believe Ireland to be great, it would be silly to ignore the many shortcomings and sinister hostile experiences of everyday life in Ireland.

If we care enough we should protect it, but to ignore it we'll all lose in the end. Being centre of the party is one thing, but who wants to be a joker?

AskMyChocolate

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

Enter Irish people into google and you get:

"Irish people are impervious to psychoanalysis"

A nice Freudian quote in there.

Yup. If you accept Freud.

*checks on the bacon 'N' cabbage*

AskMyChocolate

Tchaikovsky wrote: »

Well, as long as you're speaking on behalf of us all.

Little harsh chief. The girl was just being wistful over a Jameson.

AskMyChocolate

Dudess wrote: »

In fairness, I don't think that's the truth.

Nope, it isn't. But it would take a REALLY dishonest person to pretend that it isn't becoming more difficult to defend an honest lie.

AskMyChocolate

Tchaikovsky wrote: »

I'd say about 95% of the world's population have either: a) never been to Ireland, b) never met or encountered an Irish person, c) know next to nothing about Ireland or d) never even heard of Ireland.

I agree with all your points but could you convince Israel to drop in for a pint.

Millicent

genericguy wrote: »

ah yes, jealous of our weather, our wimmin, our history of licking arse, our unemployment rate, the fact that we'll be paying for everyone else's houses for the next 50 years, our abysmal health service, our draconian laws which infringe on freedom of speech and personal liberty...

Why you gotta go hatin' on the wimmin?!

AskMyChocolate

Just noticed I'm responsible for all four of the last posts.:(

Tiochfaidh ar la.:)

Sharpshooter

AskMyChocolate wrote: »

Yup. If you accept Freud.

*checks on the bacon 'N' cabbage*

AskMyChocolate wrote: »

Little harsh chief. The girl was just being wistful over a Jameson.

AskMyChocolate wrote: »

Nope, it isn't. But it would take a REALLY dishonest person to pretend that it isn't becoming more difficult to defend an honest lie.

AskMyChocolate wrote: »

I agree with all your points but could you convince Israel to drop in for a pint.

You can multi quote.:pac:

AskMyChocolate

Millicent wrote: »

Why you gotta go hatin' on the wimmin?!

Aah shure, if you were half the woman that your mother ever was we wouldn't be in this boat.

*is this your boat? Deadly, cos I'm in between jobs*:)

AskMyChocolate

Sharpshooter wrote: »

You can multi quote.:pac:

The sad thing is I can't. You can.

*searches desperately for clever pun*

Sharpshooter

AskMyChocolate wrote: »

The sad thing is I can't. You can.

*searches desperately for clever pun*

You can, it's the button after the quote button you used to quote my post.:):pac:

maninasia

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

I can honestly say that any place I have ever been I have got a very warm welcome once they learn I am Irish. One of the best things about being Irish imho.
Surely that must be unique to Ireland?

Well the usual reaction in half the countries of the world is, Irish.. Blank. Oh Ireland...near England right. Then you might mention Riverdance and some people know it.

maninasia

ragg wrote: »

There is a serious self loathing element in Irish society, we are not overly hated, we are not overly liked.

Where were they during the Celtic tiger. All I heard was self-praise..'the best little country in the worldTM'

As I said many people out there don't even know Ireland exists, it's not important on the world stage. I like Ireland but it's no better or worse than most places. It's a middling place.

AskMyChocolate

filthymcnasty wrote: »

I think in general we are still liked abroad as a nation.
But we have milked this completely and get upset when all foreigners don't know every aspect of our culture and history when we often know fcuk all about theirs.
Irish people tend to get more patriotic and sentimental when abroad and normally sensible folk can be heard droning on about IRA/seven hundred years etc, this is an awful pain in the hole to an indifferent listener.
This does not endear us to others. Also the drunken irish thing has been going on for years now and is gradually wearing thin big time in some places, particularly Australia.

You used to be able to rely on an Irish lad to both walk a drunk chick home, thank her mother for the jam, avoid the local constabulary, ask her ma would it be okay to drop over tomorrow, avoid the local constabulary, explain that you were selling jam, and still have sixpence for a haircut.
But of course,that's what made us annoying/un-arrestable.

longhalloween

dvpower wrote: »

Sure even God hates us now.
http://www.godhatesireland.com/

Man... the mexicans or ivory coast are gonna be so pissed when they see that guy dancing n their flag...

dgecko

If you read thru this thread with any sober logic, it's hard to know whose right or wrong. My experience is that we are for the most part liked and positive at home and abroad. I'm not so convinced by the 'I have a friend who likes / dislikes shamrock' type of comments. Fair enough, generalizations are what we live by day in day out.
Positive reputations follow many of our business people, sports people, musicians, writers, film stars, directors, producers, artists, poets and even some of our politicians. Hundreds of annual events, festivals and exhibitions around the globe celebrate Irishness. I'm not sure if anyone has nailed what that is entirely. I don't believe it's possible to summarise an identity or culture. It constantly changes.

We have managed to negotiate our way out of 30 years of recent tragic chaos on our own island. How can we think, this went unnoticed beyond our newsrooms. I've spoken to many non-Irish who I would never have expected to know anything about Ireland. I was surprised by and admired their knowledge, interest and distant admiration for my home country.

What ever we think our reputation is, or whatever others know or believe, I think we have often punched we'll above our weight because we speak our mind. I've lived abroad for many years and returned a year ago. I'm genuinely sad to say I'll probably move out again very soon. Unemployment has rattled us again and won't spring up again soon.

We have ancient and modern history which influence our own sense of identity as being Irish. It has helped us to read the world well. People we, as Irish, meet respect the lively banter, until it comes to getting out our feel sorry us flags. Seemingly 70 million claim descendency from Ireland and would love to belong more to this mysterious identity struggle. Who is swiftly disliking all that?

rob88

anytime i am abroad and am out drinking or whatever i like to keep to myself and my friends and we wouldn't be loud etc..and the locals would be the same usually but i have encountered many times when the oirish crew walk in and think they own the place etc. extremely loud and obnoxious any times i've seen it.. these are usually people in there early to late 20's

fryup

lets face it, we always had an over inflated notion of our own popularity

"everyone loves the irish":rolleyes: load of bollix

pirelli

WOW!

OP! You have opened my eyes, the irish are ridiculed throughout the web,

First example of googling "What are the irish like"

uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Irish:

Contrary to popular stereotype, the Irish are not stupid nor do they lack the faculty of reason; they merely refuse to be swayed by the lascivious temptations of so-called 'intelligence' or 'logic', and are thus prone to militant Catholicism, mass-procreation, and habitual drunkenness. Their main goal in life is to dance across a rainbow so they may find a pot of gold.


http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:5eZcRWS-2dMJ:uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Irish+irish+people+what+ar+ethey+like&cd=20&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ie

fryup

pirelli wrote: »

WOW!

Contrary to popular stereotype, the Irish are not stupid nor do they lack the faculty of reason; they merely refuse to be swayed by the lascivious temptations of so-called 'intelligence' or 'logic', and are thus prone to militant Catholicism, mass-procreation, and habitual drunkenness. Their main goal in life is to dance across a rainbow so they may find a pot of gold.


http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:5eZcRWS-2dMJ:uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Irish+irish+people+what+ar+ethey+like&cd=20&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ie

sums it up in a nutshell:cool:

Dudess

fryup wrote: »

sums it up in a nutshell:cool:

It's actually being highlighted as a derogatory remark. And... what nationality are you?

Wade in the Sea

Nope. The Irish are universally liked. Everyone in the Universe likes us, except on beta459. But they are just green with jealousy.

Black Swan

dr gonzo wrote: »

people ranting about how much they hate us or hate being one of us.

Other than a rare odd sort, never really felt "hate" from others while traveling EU, Scandinavia, the Americas, or Asian countries during recent years. Quite to the contrary, I felt welcome. Plus, while going to university in the States the past 4 years, my accent has been a plus to meet people in java houses, and other social places.

gulf

Surely the chattering bourgeois have had enough self-loathing? I mean, it's been going on since the foundation of the republic in 1949. Is 61 years of dissatisfaction not enough?