World Cup - Anyone but England ?

massdebater

That_Guy wrote: »

How can you say it's a general opinion when not everyone thinks like that? It might be a general opinion between you and your mates but you can't exactly tar everyone with the one brush.

general opinion doesn't mean that absolutely everyone thinks it - just that the majority of people would think it.

the "general opinion" is that Ronaldo is a whinging sissy ponce etc etc etc. I don't personally think that but i wouldn't argue that it's not general opinion

I don't really wanna get into it tbh

i think i'm kinda like that old man. i actually was telling people that i wouldn't mind seeing england do well at the world cup but yet when green let the bal cross the line i cheered as loudly as anyone

it could be cos of the english media's constant sh1te "this is england's year" or "44 years of waiting" - expecting to win it every time it comes round

it's nice to see the underdogs do well. same reason i was delighted to see spain lose the other day. same reason i don't support man utd/chelsea

Oat23

I don't want England to win because they have c*nts in their team.

Simples.

Go Germany.

DB10

Rarnes, they are a huge number of English people who don't care for their national team. Mainly because the team is filled with characters who really are repulsive.

And also because they hate them throughout the club season, and it is hard to change that view.

bonerm

Oatesy23 wrote: »

I don't want England to win because they have c*nts in their team.

Simples.

Go Germany.

I'm guessing you weren't a fan of Germany between 1993-97 then?

LordSutch

Ferris_Bueller wrote: »

I don't have anything against the English really, you just kind of subconsiously feel like you want the other team to win.

Very strange, I just can't get my head around this :rolleyes:

Shanotheslayer

One day... Ireland will get over the hatred of English for no apparent reason to do with football.

One day...

curry-muff

I would like to say I dont mind England, but the fact I bought an Algeria top and a USA top suggests otherwise :pac:

FreeOSCAR

Come on England.

Would love either them, Holland, Spain or Argentina to win the World Cup.

England games are always the most interesting for people to watch, love or hate them.

mike65

If having disreputable characters means no support then quite a few sides would be in trouble, France, Serbia, Portugal, Argentina etc.

Minstrel27

I am hoping for a Spanish victory. I have no care for any other team.

LordSutch

Minstrel27 wrote: »

I am hoping for a Spanish victory. I have no care for any other team.

Good for you, I presume you have a Spanish wife, or maybe one of your parents is Spanish? otherwise why not support the country where most of 'our' players are born, trained & based (in England, & in English Premiership teams)!

DB10

Camelot wrote: »

Good for you, I presume you have a Spanish wife, or maybe one of your parents is Spanish? otherwise why not support the country where most of 'our' players are born, trained & based (in an English Premiership team)!

Or forgetting non football matters for a second, why support a country who has a team full of absolute repulsive, ******* players.

And a team who's supporters terrorised Irish fans in the last match between the two while also tearing up Landsdowne road??

Surely you can see why most people wouldn't think about supporting England?

Keano

Camelot wrote: »

Good for you, I presume you have a Spanish wife, or maybe one of your parents is Spanish? otherwise why not support the country where most of 'our' players are born, trained & based (in England, & in English Premiership teams)!

I'm not sure I like this you support an English team, you must support them attitude.

As someone pointed out would you support your rival county in a GAA game, chances are you wouldn't same applies when it comes to international football.

LordSutch

DB10 wrote: »

Or forgetting non football matters for a second, why support a country who has a team full of absolute repulsive, ******* players.

And a team who's supporters terrorised Irish fans in the last match between the two while also tearing up Landsdowne road??

Surely you can see why most people wouldn't think about supporting England?

Landsdown Road :rolleyes: that disgrace was quite a few years ago (combat 18).

Support for England has slowly ebbed away since 1966, when I am relyably informed there were parties up & down the country when England held up the World Cup. That said, support for England has seriously declined since the Republic put together a team (Italia 90) made-up from many players born & based in England - Ironic or what

Livvie

Camelot wrote: »

What irks me is the 'non-reciprication' by Irish supporters towards the English, who 'broadly speaking' who support us . . . I mean to say its not as if Irish players & English players are alien to each other, indeed there is a big overlap between those playing for England & Ireland. Blood lines are pretty thick too - take Rooney for example! and of course in the eyes of the English 'Ireland' is one of the 'Home Nations' > hence the support by them towards us.

It is refreshing to be in a packed English pub & to hear the massive support for Ireland, > Maybe we see it differently?

English people I know do support their neighbours when they're playing - if England aren't. There's a lot of support for Ireland, maybe more so than Wales or Scotland in truth, and it's the same in the Olympics or any other international sporting event.

There will always be the rivalry associated with a neighbour, and there will always be those who take that rivalry to extremes, but I don't think it applies to internationals as much as it does club football.

Camelot wrote: »

Landsdown Road :rolleyes: that disgrace was quite a few years ago (combat 18).

That behaviour disgusted the majority of English people and it's frustrating that we all get lumped in with those morons.

fryup

DB10 wrote: »

And a team who's supporters terrorised Irish fans in the last match between the two while also tearing up Landsdowne road??

Surely you can see why most people wouldn't think about supporting England?

but how about all the time the IRA bombed england and you have celtic supporters among the irish ranks that chant oh ahh up the ra!!,

but yet still alot of english will shout for ireland.....shows you what a more open-minded race they are.

JerryHandbag

I'm finding it very hard to root against anybody in this world cup, so this "anyone but..." lark is a load of **** tbh. I'd be following Ireland if we had qualified, they haven't...so I'm not following anyone and just hoping for loadsa goals. And of course some footballing punditry gold along the way

Livvie

fryup wrote: »

but how about all the time the IRA bombed england and you have celtic supporters among the irish ranks that chant oh ahh up the ra!!,

but yet still alot of english will shout for ireland.....shows you what a more open-minded race they are.

Maybe I'm an eternal optimist because although I see where you're coming from, most sensible people surely recognise that the majority of English and Irish are peace-loving, decent people, and constant revenge over what's happened before - from all factions - is just futile and a waste of energy.

Gavin "shels"

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

One day... Ireland will get over the hatred of English for no apparent reason to do with football.

One day...

I don't think this is the case, majority of Irish have no bother supporting an English club, but when it comes to showing support to their national team it's somewhat a tainted word. They don't have any bother say C'mon Man Utd but when it's C'mon England it's a different kettle of fish.

Hypocrites if you ask me.

massdebater wrote: »

it could be cos of the english media's constant sh1te "this is england's year" or "44 years of waiting" - expecting to win it every time it comes round

If all fairness that's what every countrys media is like, sure our own aren't the best.

mewso

Tom Humphries had a great article about this in the Irish Times World Cup Special. He talked about the football bore who brought up the contradiction of supporting an english club but not the national team like it was some kind of genius argument. It's absolute rubbish. If football is about anything it's about contradiction.

I don't hate England. One of my best mates is English and I make it clear to him where I stand. If England won the world cup I would be genuinely happy for the likes of him and other decent english people. I wouldn't be too happy about the media's inevitable response. Yes the media would be over-bearing for any country that won it but the british media are specialists.

I don't cheer for whomever is playing England I simply can't help but have a little smile when it all goes wrong for them but equally shortly afterwards I might feel some sympathy for them. I jumped up and laughed when Green made that fumble last weekend but almost immediately I thought "you poor fcuker".

The absolute worst thing though is this talk of cnuts in the team and so on. I really can't stand "hate" in football. People here get into this and they know they do. They hate team a or player a because team a did something to team b or because player a did something to player b. And it truly is hate. Pure and total irrational hate. If the roles are reversed then player b is a legend. Friendly rivalry is fantastic but some of the bile you come across is sad frankly.

I don't get the hate for France either. Really really bugs me. There is historically a strong relationship between the French and the Irish that has been seriously damaged by all this nonsense. I used to go on holidays there and the French people were truly lovely people who would warm to you once they realised you were Irish and not English (thats their problem) talking about Sean Kelly and Stephen Roche. Now we're like the US and their freedom fries. Petty and a great pity.

wanrek

Im just glad France are getting all they deserve...

djimi

I cheered Gerrards goal the other day as if he had scored it for Liverpool. I will cheer the same way tonight if Stevie/Glen/Jamie score.

I have adopted an attitude that Ill be happy so long as a Liverpool player wins the WC. Be it England, Spain, Argentina, Denmark, Slovakia, Holland, Greece etc, Im really not bothered. If David N'gog was in the French team Id be just as happy to see him win the WC.

I guess I just care more for the fortunes of those who play for the club I love than I do about wishing certain teams to lose.

baltimore sun

I've spent some time in England, on small trips, be it business, pleasure....gotta say I hated everywhere I've been in England, except for Liverpool, it was the only place I felt welcomed, probably coz scousers were just paddys that could swim.

Anyway,that's why I'm supporting anyone against England.

Keano

Gavin shels wrote: »

I don't think this is the case, majority of Irish have no bother supporting an English club, but when it comes to showing support to their national team it's somewhat a tainted word. They don't have any bother say C'mon Man Utd but when it's C'mon England it's a different kettle of fish.

Hypocrites if you ask me.



If all fairness that's what every countrys media is like, sure our own aren't the best.

Just out of interest would you support Bohs if they were in a major final?

Ickle Magoo

Gavin shels wrote: »

I don't think this is the case, majority of Irish have no bother supporting an English club, but when it comes to showing support to their national team it's somewhat a tainted word. They don't have any bother say C'mon Man Utd but when it's C'mon England it's a different kettle of fish.

Hypocrites if you ask me.

The premiership may be based in england but the teams consist of many nationalities, Irish included. I don't think supporting a premiership team is anything like akin to supporting the english national squad...

Coillte_Bhoy

fryup wrote: »

but how about all the time the IRA bombed england and you have celtic supporters among the irish ranks that chant oh ahh up the ra!!,

but yet still alot of english will shout for ireland.....shows you what a more open-minded race they are.

I've never heard anyone shout 'up the ra' at an Irish match. What are you raving on about? The English an open minded race? Aye right you are so.:rolleyes:

Livvie

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

I've never heard anyone shout 'up the ra' at an Irish match. What are you raving on about? The English an open minded race? Aye right you are so.:rolleyes:

Some are. (Me ) Most are pretty blinkered. I know plenty who are the salt of the earth - really nice, kind people. But who believe everything they're fed by the media.

Coillte_Bhoy

Livvie wrote: »

Some are. (Me ) Most are pretty blinkered. I know plenty who are the salt of the earth - really nice, kind people. But who believe everything they're fed by the media.

I agree with you but the other poster made
a rather sweeping generalisation which is typical of this forum unfortunately.

Livvie

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

I agree with you but the other poster made
a rather sweeping generalisation which is typical of this forum unfortunately.

Typical of any forum I think.

Latchy

baltimore sun wrote: »

I've spent some time in England, on small trips, be it business, pleasure....gotta say I hated everywhere I've been in England, except for Liverpool, it was the only place I felt welcomed, probably coz scousers were just paddys that could swim.

Kewl .

I'm in Liverpool today and in absense of Ireland not qualifying ( would have being down the local Irish centre if they had ) will erm ' cough ' objectively ' watch the England game although I shall refrain from shouting ''' Hoorar you wondrful boys '' should they score / win

Livvie

baltimore sun wrote: »

I've spent some time in England, on small trips, be it business, pleasure....gotta say I hated everywhere I've been in England, except for Liverpool, it was the only place I felt welcomed, probably coz scousers were just paddys that could swim.

Anyway,that's why I'm supporting anyone against England.

Are you Irish-American? Because tbh, I find IAs totally different from the Irish, and those I've met have a deep-rooted loathing for England which they tend to bring with them.

I've got several American friends who have loved their visits here.

Oat23

bonerm wrote: »

I'm guessing you weren't a fan of Germany between 1993-97 then?

I moved there in 04 so...guess not.

CorkMan

I wouldn't mind England winning, but I wish not because of the media. They would be hypiing it up for the next 50 years, claiming as well it would represent the superiority of the english league as well.

LordSutch

CorkMan wrote: »

I wouldn't mind England winning, but I wish not because of the media. They would be hypiing it up for the next 50 years, claiming as well it would represent the superiority of the english league as well.

But is this a good enough reason to support anyone but England? surely the Irish media gets a bit sickening if Ireland's in the mix ......

Livvie

CorkMan wrote: »

I wouldn't mind England winning, but I wish not because of the media. They would be hypiing it up for the next 50 years, claiming as well it would represent the superiority of the english league as well.

They'd be a bit stupid then! If the EPL is superior, it must have one hell of a lot to do with the "foreign" players in it.

If England won the WC it would be a cause for great celebrations but no one in their right mind could say it was because England are the best team in the world. We have a few world class players, but as a team, we're a bit sh**te tbh!

An International league would be the way to go for that - played over four years maybe, culminating in a final. Like the qualifiers, but more intense.

Camelot wrote: »

But is this a good enough reason to support anyone but England? surely the Irish media gets a bit sickening if Ireland's in the mix ......

All the media get a ridiculous dose of patriotic fervour whenever their country is doing well, or being victimised or whatever.

Mr.Nice Guy

Gavin shels wrote: »

I don't think this is the case, majority of Irish have no bother supporting an English club, but when it comes to showing support to their national team it's somewhat a tainted word. They don't have any bother say C'mon Man Utd but when it's C'mon England it's a different kettle of fish.

Hypocrites if you ask me.

Many English United supporters don't want England to do well. Are they hypocrites?

Considering the way United players have been treated in the not too distant past - Beckham, Ronaldo, Rooney, Ferdinand, Neville, to name a few, it's more a case of why would a United fan support them? Just my two cents on it.

Livvie

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Many English United supporters don't want England to do well. Are they hypocrites?

Considering the way United players have been treated in the not too distant past - Beckham, Ronaldo, Rooney, Ferdinand, Neville, to name a few, it's more a case of why would a United fan support them? Just my two cents on it.

A lot of United supporters supported Argentina for a while - till the departure of Heinze and Tevez.

Club football comes first for most English supporters I suspect - definitely for the majority of United supporters I'd say.

The Muppet

I picked England as my team to support as we're not there ourselves. The baggage doesn't bother me though the hoo ha will be a pain in the ass if they win it. I don't think we've much to fear on that score.

Livvie

The Muppet wrote: »

I picked England as my team to support as we're not there ourselves. The baggage doesn't bother me though the hoo ha will be a pain in the ass if they win it. I don't think we've much to fear on that score.

Well if we do, just nod benignly and remind yourself that we haven't got much to cheer over here.

It'll all go a bit mad for a while because it might never happen again - or might take 44 years.

djimi

CorkMan wrote: »

I wouldn't mind England winning, but I wish not because of the media. They would be hypiing it up for the next 50 years, claiming as well it would represent the superiority of the english league as well.

At least if they won it they would spend the next 50 years talking about a world cup win that Id remember as opposed to one which happened 16 years before I was born! :P

SantryRed

We still go on about Italia 90 so I don't see the difference tbh.

Livvie

SantryRed wrote: »

We still go on about Italia 90 so I don't see the difference tbh.

People hold on to whatever glory has come their way. It's human nature I think.

God knows, in times of war, terrorism and recession, we need some light relief.

3hn2givr7mx1sc

I said I'd give supporting England a go, but I couldn't help myself sfrom supporting USA last week, and I couldn't wipe the grin of my face when England conceeded, neither could the other 60 men in the bar.

AgileMyth

SantryRed wrote: »

We still go on about Italia 90 so I don't see the difference tbh.

The difference is our exposure to the way they go on about it. Our media is too closely linked to theirs. I couldn't give a toss about '66 or the way they were embarrased by Maradona but I keep hearing about it.
The English don't have to hear about Italia 90, except Gazza's crying of course.

mcwhirter

True, not many people would have access to rte or has much access to irish papers in england.

The answer is don't watch the bbc or itv world cup footage or read the english papers then you will be ok:D

fryup

CorkMan wrote: »

I wouldn't mind England winning, but I wish not because of the media. They would be hypiing it up for the next 50 years, claiming as well it would represent the superiority of the english league as well.

well if ireland won the world cup we wouldn't hear the end of it either....can you just imagine the likes of Jimmy Magee going on and on and on and on about it till your blue in the face:(

DeVore

England set themselves up to be somehow superior and more deserving of victory. If they had some humility I might support them, but the reason I don't is not because they are English, its because they are arrogant and have an extreme sense of entitlement.

As the Japanese say: A standing nail is hammered down.


DeV.

Livvie

mcwhirter wrote: »

True, not many people would have access to rte or has much access to irish papers in england.

The answer is don't watch the bbc or itv world cup footage or read the english papers then you will be ok:D

And don't believe all the hype if you are unfortunate enough to catch it. We aren't all like they'd have you believe, honest!

stovelid

Eirebear wrote: »

Do you think Spanish folk will be supporting Portugal?

The ones that follow Portuguese clubs probably should.

Livvie

DeVore wrote: »

England set themselves up to be somehow superior and more deserving of victory.

Can I ask you in what way you think they do this? Do you mean the media, or the players/officials? I'm not disputing it, but generally I find that the media here takes great delight in putting people down, not building them up. Or else they'll build them up for a while and then turn on them.

Seriously, I've seen plenty of articles slating the England team. Obviously, there is the optimism that always accompanies this kind of event, and the players are quoted as saying "We can do it", etc. but I've really not seen or heard anything that suggests we are good enough - unless by a fluke.