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Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread

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    #8492
    Scioch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭Scioch


    molloyjh wrote: »
    I can't stand this Sexton to 12 crap. We need to find an alternative to Darcy and Sexton is not it. We are sacrificing blooding a new 12 for what exactly!? It is madness plain and simple. And it has to stop. Whatever about some of the selections and changes we've seen over the years this one takes the biscuit in terms of sheer lunacy.

    I agree but Kidney clearly sees him as cover for Darcy, so if he's going to have a winger on the bench Gilroy surely has a chance if he puts his hand up.....again.


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    #8493
    molloyjh
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    Scioch wrote: »

    I agree but Kidney clearly sees him as cover for Darcy, so if he's going to have a winger on the bench Gilroy surely has a chance if he puts his hand up.....again.

    You'd like to think that any/all of them have a shot if they out their hands up. Not sure that's the way it works in that camp though. McFadden is almost guaranteed to get the nod given his versatility. The bench isn't there for impact don't ya know.


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    #8494
    totallegend
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Ross makes sense as a barometer for performance. You can't make 3 changes in the front row and evaluate the performance. Then you consider Healy always seems an injury waiting to happen, you also consider Strauss is wounded and also relatively inexperienced.

    He has to come off early though. The risk has to be reduced as much as possible

    Interesting logic, but this is Fiji (and not even a particularly strong Fiji squad); if our scrum goes out and mangles them, does that really tell us that we're ready for the Argies?

    Leaving aside the risk of injury to Ross, it's denying Bent a run-out. If we need a barometer of performance, surely it's Bent we should be monitoring? At least we have some idea of what Kilcoyne can do but we're in the dark on Bent.

    No; this is typical Kidney. Blame everything and everyone else when things go wrong while actually doing nothing to remedy the situation.


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    #8495
    CatFromHue
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    I don't see the point of Sexton to 12 either. In my opinion ROG isn't as good a 10 as Sexton and Sexton isn't as good a 12 as D'arcy or McFadden so to me it just weakens the back line.

    Sexton is a better passer than D'arcy and may get the ball out to the outside backs more/quicker but I don't think he's fixing the defence so they drift out too almost negating his influence.

    Regarding Hurely, I'm actually looking forward to see how he'll get on as I think he has been treated poorly by Munster and we do need to to look at another option at 15. He is great at getting the ball out of the tackle (if you think back to Munsters try in Lanelli in the pool stages of the HEC last season for example) which is something every team needs.


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    #8496
    jamiedav2011
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    That selection isn't too bad in fairness.

    Murray, Hurley and particularly Ross are my qualms.

    What in the name of jaysus are we going to learn playing Ross in a game like this?

    Yet we'll still have the provinces blamed for the THP situation!

    Surely this is made for giving a guy like Bent gametime? It's just flogging Ross for little reason.


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    #8497
    Banbridgeman2
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 322 ✭✭Banbridgeman2


    Rumours swirling that Archer of Ireland is getting humiliated by Jack McGrath in an A game


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    #8498
    siltirocker
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    I may be alone in this but I really do rate McSharry ahead of Marshall based on the last 2 and a half months. In particular the Leinster game and the Harlequins game.

    Don't see the point of Muldoon at 7. Put in a proper 7 and have Muldoon on the bench to cover all 3 back row players.


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    #8499
    Foxtrol
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    Banbridgeman2 wrote: »
    Rumours swirling that Archer of Ireland is getting humiliated by Jack McGrath in an A game

    By O'Connell as well. Kidney...


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    #8500
    Tox56
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    If Ross does get injured in this game and misses the Argentina match, are they seriously going to put Archer on the bench? I know there aren't many options but if he is being minced in an A game you can't bench him in an international surely.


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    #8501
    irishbucsfan
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    totallegend wrote: »
    Interesting logic, but this is Fiji (and not even a particularly strong Fiji squad); if our scrum goes out and mangles them, does that really tell us that we're ready for the Argies?

    Leaving aside the risk of injury to Ross, it's denying Bent a run-out. If we need a barometer of performance, surely it's Bent we should be monitoring? At least we have some idea of what Kilcoyne can do but we're in the dark on Bent.
    I don't think you mean the same thing as I do when you say barometer.

    I would definitely like to see Bent get a good run out. I can't imagine Ross will be on for more than 50 minutes and if he is I'd be disappointed.

    The only selection I'm actually disappointed in is Muldoon. Every other selection has merit for me, even if I wouldn't have selected it myself. Muldoon on the other hand is not going to offer any variety to this back row.


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    #8502
    Banbridgeman2
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    Well according to my friend he's genuinely worried for Archers safety in a B&i match. The IRFU have to step in if he's put on the bench for an international, he could get seriously injured if he had to come on


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    #8503
    bilston
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    siltirocker wrote: »
    I may be alone in this but I really do rate McSharry ahead of Marshall based on the last 2 and a half months. In particular the Leinster game and the Harlequins game.

    Don't see the point of Muldoon at 7. Put in a proper 7 and have Muldoon on the bench to cover all 3 back row players.

    Whether he's ahead of Marshall or not is obviously open to debate as everyone has their opinion. He's certainly played a bit more than Marshall this season. However whatever about that I think most would certainly rate him very highly.


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    #8504
    totallegend
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    I don't think you mean the same thing as I do when you say barometer.

    I presume you mean that you mean that we'll get a better indication of how Kilcoyne is getting on if he's paired with Ross, rather than if we have two brand new props and things go pear-shaped, it will be hard to tell who's at fault or who was doing OK?
    I appreciate that, but I just think that if we go out and destroy Fiji at scrum-time (which I would expect us to do, regardless of personnel), it won't tell us too much about anything. So I'd rather not risk Ross and give Bent the benefit of getting a very physical workout.

    [And I would imagine that's how Kidney is viewing this match in general; if Luke Marshall and Cave go out and tear it up in midfield, have they any real hope of breaking into the team for the Argentina game? Or will the attitude be, "well the lads played well but sure it was only Fiji"?]


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    #8505
    SomethingElse
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    Bent to start against the argies. You heard it here first :pac:


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    #8506
    JustinDee
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    Banbridgeman2 wrote: »
    Rumours swirling that Archer of Ireland is getting humiliated by Jack McGrath in an A game

    He wasn't.
    Scrums were fairly even actually.


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    #8507
    Banbridgeman2
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    JustinDee wrote: »

    He wasn't.
    Scrums were fairly even actually.
    Lo do you have to defend everything Kidney? My friend who was at the game coaches with Neath and knows his stuff , he said Archer was slaughtered, I'd take that opinion over yours


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    #8508
    Tox56
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    JustinDee wrote: »
    He wasn't.
    Scrums were fairly even actually.

    :confused: This was posted by a Musnter fan at the game:

    "Munster scrum is a disgrace at this stage. Archer should be taken off for his own safety."

    Granted that might be a bit of an exaggeration but things didn't sound "even"


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    #8509
    .ak
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    JustinDee wrote: »
    He wasn't.
    Scrums were fairly even actually.

    Balderdash.


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    #8510
    thomond2006
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    JustinDee wrote: »
    He wasn't.
    Scrums were fairly even actually.
    Banbridgeman2 wrote: »
    Lo do you have to defend everything Kidney? My friend who was at the game coaches with Neath and knows his stuff , he said Archer was slaughtered, I'd take that opinion over yours
    Tox56 wrote: »
    :confused: This was posted by a Musnter fan at the game:

    "Munster scrum is a disgrace at this stage. Archer should be taken off for his own safety."

    Granted that might be a bit of an exaggeration but things didn't sound "even"
    .ak wrote: »
    Balderdash.

    The cowards' anonymous vitriol has spoken Justin.


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    #8511
    totallegend
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    thomond2006 wrote: »
    The cowards' genuine fans' anonymous vitriol concern at the direction the national team is going in has spoken Justin.

    Took the liberty, Thomond, hope you don't mind.

    Couldn't make the A game today so I can't say for sure, but if you think it's the Leinster boys piling in on poor old Archer, take a gander at the thread on MF.com...


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    #8512
    JF100
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    What was the general essence of the thread..? Please synopsise .. (as accurately & fairly as you can, of course)
    I am interested to know.
    Is it that Archer may be out of his depth?


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    #8513
    totallegend
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,234 ✭✭✭totallegend


    JF100 wrote: »
    What was the general essence of the thread..? Please synopsise .. (as accurately & fairly as you can, of course)
    I am interested to know.
    Is it that Archer may be out of his depth?

    Very much so.
    http://www.munsterfans.com/threads/32531-Munster-A-v-Leinster-A-Thursday-2-30pm-Donnybrook/page5?p=1138236#post1138236


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    #8514
    Quint2010
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    JustinDee wrote: »
    He wasn't.
    Scrums were fairly even actually.


    Nonsense. Leinster crushed the Munster scrum on more than one occasion and it didn't get any better when Archer came on.


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    #8515
    JustinDee
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    thomond2006 wrote: »
    The cowards' anonymous vitriol has spoken Justin.
    Sorry Alan but what on earth has a Tony Ward article to do with me?
    Archer came on in second half and Munster won two out of four scrums during my time watching them.
    I couldn't care less who was propping so I'm not defending any coach or player either.


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    #8516
    Banbridgeman2
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    It's odd how even people on mf.com are saying archer had a miserable day.


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    #8517
    thomond2006
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    JustinDee wrote: »
    Sorry Alan but what on earth has a Tony Ward article to do with me?
    Archer came on in second half and Munster won two out of four scrums during my time watching them.
    I couldn't care less who was propping so I'm not defending any coach or player either.

    It has nothing to do with you, I was having another (cowardly) pop at Tony Ward. :D

    (btw would you mind not calling me Alan on the forum, it kinda bugs me.)


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    #8518
    Podge_irl
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    JustinDee wrote: »
    Archer came on in second half and Munster won two out of four scrums during my time watching them.
    I couldn't care less who was propping so I'm not defending any coach or player either.

    Two out of four of their own or in total? Cause the former isn't actually very good...


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    #8519
    Benny Cake
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    Banbridgeman2 wrote: »
    It's odd how even people on mf.com are saying archer had a miserable day.

    You need to look up the definition of odd.


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    #8520
    Almaviva
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    CatFromHue wrote: »
    This is a strange game as originally it was billed as an A game but relatively quick after it was changed to an Ireland XV game.

    Either way, its good news - we are still on for 6 proper losses in a row.
    Had it been a full international, the chance of the streak would be broken and there would be some pressure off Kidney. Wales, England, Scotland, France to come in that order. DK could be leaving us with another historic season.


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    #8521
    Quint2010
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    leakyboots wrote: »
    Hurley
    McF
    Cave
    Marshall
    Gilroy
    Jackson
    Murray

    Killer
    Cronin
    Ross
    DOC
    Tuohy
    Henderson
    Muldoon
    Heaslip

    Subs: Strauss, Healy, Bent, Ryan, Henry, Marshall, Sexton, Zebo

    Happy enough with the team apart from Ross, DOC and Murray. Marvellous to see no ROG finally!


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