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Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread

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    #8522
    Fez101
    Registered Users Posts: 60 ✭✭Fez101


    Is it a full international or an A game? Wonder if any of the newbies play out of their skin will they feature against Argentina?


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    #8523
    dtpc191991
    Registered Users Posts: 776 ✭✭✭dtpc191991


    bilston wrote: »

    Whether he's ahead of Marshall or not is obviously open to debate as everyone has their opinion. He's certainly played a bit more than Marshall this season. However whatever about that I think most would certainly rate him very highly.
    If Marshall, McSharry and Hanrahan were to all acheive their potential and we get a decent coach we could be in a really good position in 2015. There's real hope for us yet.


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    #8524
    accidentprone1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 541 ✭✭✭accidentprone1


    Quint2010 wrote: »
    Happy enough with the team apart from Ross, DOC and Murray. Marvellous to see no ROG finally!

    How long has it been since ROG hasn't been in the team in at all? :s


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    #8525
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,873 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    It's not a full team. I wouldn't be getting your hopes up about ROG being left out against Argentina.


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    #8526
    Mr.Opti
    Closed Accounts Posts: 62 ✭✭Mr.Opti


    Scioch wrote: »
    Anyone think Gilroy might be able to put himself in contention for a bench spot against Argentina ? Last time he got a sniff he put in a cracking performance. But he was still ignored for the NZ tour.

    If Zebo starts at FB with Trimble and Bowe on the wing, Earls and Darce at centre, would there be room for him on the bench considering McFadden even as a utility back wasnt used as centre cover against the Boks. Straight swap Gilroy for McFadden for an impact winger against Argentina ? Sexton to 12, Jackson to 10 ?

    McFadden will be the bench option, as he covers everywhere, regardless IMO. Either Gilroy starts ahead of Trimble or doesn't make the squad.


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    #8527
    SomethingElse
    Registered Users Posts: 1,534 ✭✭✭SomethingElse


    Fez101 wrote: »
    Is it a full international or an A game? Wonder if any of the newbies play out of their skin will they feature against Argentina?

    It's an A game.I think it would take one hell of a performance to even make the bench!


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    #8528
    Former Coach
    Registered Users Posts: 453 ✭✭Former Coach


    SomethingElse wrote: »
    It's an A game.I think it would take one hell of a performance to even make the bench!
    Agreed!
    Yours, Declan:D


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    #8529
    Beery Eyed
    Registered Users Posts: 395 ✭✭Beery Eyed


    SomethingElse wrote: »
    It's an A game.I think it would take one hell of a performance to even make the bench!

    True, although I'd say Cave, Gilroy, Henderson, DOC & Tuohy will all be hoping to push for a starting place if they perform well. As it stands it's a pretty close call in those positions about who is the best option. Earls, Trimble, POM, Ryan & McCarthy are ahead at the moment in each position, but certainly not locked down by any means.


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    #8530
    evil_seed
    Registered Users Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭evil_seed


    How is Hurley picked. He's nowhere near good enough at this level. I wouldn't put him in a team to play Namibia


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    #8531
    Tomtom364
    Registered Users Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭Tomtom364


    evil_seed wrote: »
    How is Hurley picked. He's nowhere near good enough at this level. I wouldn't put him in a team to play Namibia


    Easy, he is the best in form Irish full back that isnt injured (or just returning from injury)

    Zebo is being saved for next week so Hurley is there to just do a job and provide a bit of stability rather then chucking in some other younger more promising player out of postition.
    I think a specialist full back is a very solid call to, as i said, just do a job. He isnt playing for contention.


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    #8532
    Scioch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭Scioch


    Tomtom364 wrote: »
    Easy, he is the best in form Irish full back that isnt injured (or just returning from injury)

    Zebo is being saved for next week so Hurley is there to just do a job and provide a bit of stability rather then chucking in some other younger more promising player out of postition.
    I think a specialist full back is a very solid call to, as i said, just do a job. He isnt playing for contention.

    Still doesnt make sense. Kidney threw Zebo in at FB against South Africa with no experience. He had his choice of plenty of players to give experience at FB against Fiji. Madigan for one would have been a good choice. Why is he resorting to Hurley to do a job against Fiji when he wasnt good enough to do a job when the job actually required a performance ? He has no business in a match day squad.


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    #8533
    Baker87
    Closed Accounts Posts: 99 ✭✭Baker87


    Tomtom364 wrote: »
    Easy, he is the best in form Irish full back that isnt injured (or just returning from injury)

    Zebo is being saved for next week so Hurley is there to just do a job and provide a bit of stability rather then chucking in some other younger more promising player out of postition.
    I think a specialist full back is a very solid call to, as i said, just do a job. He isnt playing for contention.


    Surely it would me more beneficial to play somebody who will be in contention, not now but maybe in a few seasons time? I haven't seen much of Henshaw (what i've heard has been very positive) but why not give him a run, could really help him in a couple season time when he is properly ready to be in the squad....

    I dont see the point of a player being picked to "do a job" in an 'A' international against Fiji


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    #8534
    Tomtom364
    Registered Users Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭Tomtom364


    Scioch wrote: »
    Still doesnt make sense. Kidney threw Zebo in at FB against South Africa with no experience. He had his choice of plenty of players to give experience at FB against Fiji. Madigan for one would have been a good choice. Why is he resorting to Hurley to do a job against Fiji when he wasnt good enough to do a job when the job actually required a performance ? He has no business in a match day squad.

    As an aside. IMO the Madigan @ FB for Leinster wasnt a good spell for him, good attacking threat, but woeful in defence at times. Hurley is a far more solid FB then Madigan.


    To the bolded bit, why do you ever not select a player for a big match but do for a more minor match? Because there is better option aka Zebo. But for this Zebo is being benched to save him for the match next week, where I expect him to start FB next week, so you go to the next on the list, in this case Hurley

    Kidney threw Zebo in because so far Zebo has proven he can take anything you throw at him, and he obviously must have impressed at FB in camp.
    As I said already, I think this is a call to put in a specialist FB to give stability, in defence mostly.

    Baker87 wrote: »
    Surely it would me more beneficial to play somebody who will be in contention, not now but maybe in a few seasons time? I haven't seen much of Henshaw (what i've heard has been very positive) but why not give him a run, could really help him in a couple season time when he is properly ready to be in the squad....

    I dont see the point of a player being picked to "do a job" in an 'A' international against Fiji

    Firstly, this isn't an A game, in a Senior game just with no caps awarded.
    Somehow think it would be unfair to have 9 starting first IV players in an "A" teams match day squad

    but more to the issue, not seeing the point in picking a player to "do a job". Kidney is on a bad losing streak, to top that off with a Home loss to Fiji... I know I would be going for a win over a chance to give 1 player 50 mins (expect zebo on around 50) of rugby in a postition that he isnt used to.

    EDIT:
    15 players involved last week and this week.
    9 started.
    6 were on the bench.

    thats not an "A" side by any stretch.


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    #8535
    molloyjh
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    Tomtom364 wrote: »

    As an aside. IMO the Madigan @ FB for Leinster wasnt a good spell for him, good attacking threat, but woeful in defence at times. Hurley is a far more solid FB then Madigan.


    To the bolded bit, why do you ever not select a player for a big match but do for a more minor match? Because there is better option aka Zebo. But for this Zebo is being benched to save him for the match next week, where I expect him to start FB next week, so you go to the next on the list, in this case Hurley

    Kidney threw Zebo in because so far Zebo has proven he can take anything you throw at him, and he obviously must have impressed at FB in camp.
    As I said already, I think this is a call to put in a specialist FB to give stability, in defence mostly.




    Firstly, this isn't an A game, in a Senior game just with no caps awarded.
    Somehow think it would be unfair to have 9 starting first IV players in an "A" teams match day squad

    but more to the issue, not seeing the point in picking a player to "do a job". Kidney is on a bad losing streak, to top that off with a Home loss to Fiji... I know I would be going for a win over a chance to give 1 player 50 mins (expect zebo on around 50) of rugby in a postition that he isnt used to.

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    15 players involved last week and this week.
    9 started.
    6 were on the bench.

    thats not an "A" side by any stretch.

    For as much as understand the main points above, do you really think picking Hurley over someone like Henshaw would be the difference between winning and losing against Fiji!? If so you're opinion if how bad things are is worse than mine.


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    #8536
    Tomtom364
    Registered Users Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭Tomtom364


    molloyjh wrote: »
    For as much as understand the main points above, do you really think picking Hurley over someone like Henshaw would be the difference between winning and losing against Fiji!? If so you're opinion if how bad things are is worse than mine.


    I dont know enough of Henshaw to comment on him being a better or worse option then Hurley.
    From what I see, Kidney needed a specialist 15 that is solid and will get the job done. Hurley fits that and is in good form all season. If Henshaw also fits that then fair enough to call that into question, but like i said, i dont know if he is a proven solid reliable FB.


    (totally aside: was very dissapointed McSharry didnt get picked in this game, very impressed by him)


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    #8537
    Fishooks12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,318 ✭✭✭Fishooks12


    Heading in to this tomorrow. Should be enjoyable


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    #8538
    Tomtom364
    Registered Users Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭Tomtom364


    Fishooks12 wrote: »
    Heading in to this tomorrow. Should be enjoyable

    Tomorrow?


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    #8539
    jacothelad
    Registered Users Posts: 5,931 ✭✭✭jacothelad


    jm08 wrote: »
    Healy should be fine with Bent if Ross picks up a knock. Having a fit bench is even more crucial against Argentina - I don't think I'd want to see Archer coming on against them.

    Anyway, this will be an easy day out for Ross to keep him ticking over.
    Has someone kidnapped Deccie Fitzpatrick? Tom Court must have been caught eating Kidney's porridge or expectorating in his Horlicks.
    Otacon wrote: »
    It's not often I can say that for two weeks in a row, I have been relatively happy with the Irish team selection.

    There may be personal preferences, as others have noted, but overall, I like the look of that team. Again, however, the game-plan is what is going to be the major point that will determine how well we do.

    My big hope is Jackson has an outstanding game, thus forcing ROG off the bench for Argentina.

    It'll be hard outside the human sloth.
    Banbridgeman2 wrote: »
    Rumours swirling that Archer of Ireland is getting humiliated by Jack McGrath in an A game

    I'm shocked. Shocked and surprised. Aghast even. No, startled, not to say flabbergasted, nay gobsmacked. How can this be? Smal thinks he has great potential. Now I'm sure I've heard him say that before. I know he had some eye trouble. It may not have been fixed properly.
    siltirocker wrote: »
    I may be alone in this but I really do rate McSharry ahead of Marshall based on the last 2 and a half months. In particular the Leinster game and the Harlequins game.

    Don't see the point of Muldoon at 7. Put in a proper 7 and have Muldoon on the bench to cover all 3 back row players.
    I agree about McSharry. He has shown up well and would not be out of place.
    I also agree about Muldoon at 7. If he is going to be in a squad it should be the main one or not at all - along with DOC.
    JF100 wrote: »
    What was the general essence of the thread..? Please synopsise .. (as accurately & fairly as you can, of course)
    I am interested to know.
    Is it that Archer may be out of his depth?

    He'd be out of his depth in a wet room.


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    #8540
    Scioch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭Scioch


    Fishooks12 wrote: »
    Heading in to this tomorrow. Should be enjoyable

    On Saturday isnt it ?


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    #8541
    Fishooks12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,318 ✭✭✭Fishooks12


    Tomtom364 wrote: »
    Tomorrow?
    Scioch wrote: »
    On Saturday isnt it ?

    Want to get there early :pac:


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    #8542
    Fishooks12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,318 ✭✭✭Fishooks12


    Banbridgeman2 wrote: »
    Well according to my friend he's genuinely worried for Archers safety in a B&i match. The IRFU have to step in if he's put on the bench for an international, he could get seriously injured if he had to come on

    Can you back this up in any way or can anyone who was at the game shed light on this. I don't rate Archer but I think you're probably exaggerating wildly here


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    #8543
    Lelantos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,612 ✭✭✭Lelantos


    Tomtom364 wrote: »

    Tomorrow?
    Yeah, its a long walk ;)


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    #8544
    freyners
    Registered Users Posts: 4,300 ✭✭✭freyners


    Tomtom364 wrote: »
    I dont know enough of Henshaw to comment on him being a better or worse option then Hurley.
    From what I see, Kidney needed a specialist 15 that is solid and will get the job done. Hurley fits that and is in good form all season. If Henshaw also fits that then fair enough to call that into question, but like i said, i dont know if he is a proven solid reliable FB.


    (totally aside: was very dissapointed McSharry didnt get picked in this game, very impressed by him)

    Henshaw has been playing unbelievable for connacht this season, exciting on the ball but very solid in his positioning/fielding and is a good tackler. He has improved with games and is benefitting from both having dan parks constantly encouraging him and having TOH being experienced in FB to help him also.

    Honestly, hand on heart this game has probably come a bit too soon for him but If he keeps up this form and gametime (which will be hard as duffy is returning and is the captain) he has to be a lock for travelling on the summer tour.

    My biggest disappointment is Mcsharry/TOh not getting a look in. Two lads whos form deserves recognition


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    #8545
    jacothelad
    Registered Users Posts: 5,931 ✭✭✭jacothelad


    Court and Fitzpatrick have been added to the Ulster squad after being told to eff away off back where they came from released by Homer.


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    #8546
    Fishooks12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,318 ✭✭✭Fishooks12


    Have to say, at €15 a pop, tickets for the match tomorrow are great value, even for a broke student!


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    #8547
    Baker87
    Closed Accounts Posts: 99 ✭✭Baker87


    Tomtom364 wrote: »
    Firstly, this isn't an A game, in a Senior game just with no caps awarded.
    Somehow think it would be unfair to have 9 starting first IV players in an "A" teams match day squad

    but more to the issue, not seeing the point in picking a player to "do a job". Kidney is on a bad losing streak, to top that off with a Home loss to Fiji... I know I would be going for a win over a chance to give 1 player 50 mins (expect zebo on around 50) of rugby in a postition that he isnt used to.

    EDIT:
    15 players involved last week and this week.
    9 started.
    6 were on the bench.

    thats not an "A" side by any stretch.

    Alright lets not get bogged down with semantics, A international or Ireland XV, its not a test match is the point and if the balance of the game is dependent on a solid but extremely limited player being picked above a promising youngster then we are indeed in trouble.

    The benefits of picking a youngster like Henshaw far outweigh the negatives IMO


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    #8548
    Tox56
    Registered Users Posts: 11,636 ✭✭✭✭Tox56


    Fishooks12 wrote: »
    Have to say, at €15 a pop, tickets for the match tomorrow are great value, even for a broke student!

    How many times are we going to have to go through this??


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    #8549
    Fishooks12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,318 ✭✭✭Fishooks12


    Tox56 wrote: »
    How many times are we going to have to go through this??

    Jesus christ............................................................

    I'm not at the races at all tonight (it is night time right??)


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    #8550
    Banbridgeman2
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 322 ✭✭Banbridgeman2


    Fishooks12 wrote: »

    Can you back this up in any way or can anyone who was at the game shed light on this. I don't rate Archer but I think you're probably exaggerating wildly here
    Have a read of overthehillprop's analysis on munsterfans.com then http://www.munsterfans.com/threads/32531-Munster-A-v-Leinster-A-Thursday-2-30pm-Donnybrook?p=1138320&viewfull=1#post1138320


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    #8551
    danthefan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,770 ✭✭✭danthefan


    Fishooks12 wrote: »
    Can you back this up in any way or can anyone who was at the game shed light on this. I don't rate Archer but I think you're probably exaggerating wildly here

    Poster on PR who was at the game says Archer got absolutely destroyed in the scrums.


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