Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread

Fishooks12

Banbridgeman2 wrote: »

Have a read of overthehillprop's analysis on munsterfans.com then http://www.munsterfans.com/threads/32531-Munster-A-v-Leinster-A-Thursday-2-30pm-Donnybrook?p=1138320&viewfull=1#post1138320

Fair enough I suppose.

Poor auld Archer!

molloyjh

Tomtom364 wrote: »

I dont know enough of Henshaw to comment on him being a better or worse option then Hurley.
From what I see, Kidney needed a specialist 15 that is solid and will get the job done. Hurley fits that and is in good form all season. If Henshaw also fits that then fair enough to call that into question, but like i said, i dont know if he is a proven solid reliable FB.


(totally aside: was very dissapointed McSharry didnt get picked in this game, very impressed by him)

That wasn't quite the point I was making. What I was saying was regardless of how much better Hurley is or may be is that difference enough to win us a game we'd lose otherwise. It applies equally to Madigan or Keatley playing FB. If we need Hurley to ensure we beat Fiji then we're in trouble.

Podge_irl

freyners wrote: »

My biggest disappointment is Mcsharry/TOh not getting a look in. Two lads whos form deserves recognition

Would have liked to see TOH instead of McFadden, who simply isn't an international quality winger.

Quint2010

Fishooks12 wrote: »

Can you back this up in any way or can anyone who was at the game shed light on this. I don't rate Archer but I think you're probably exaggerating wildly here

I was at the match. Archer was destroyed. That is all.

jm08

Fishooks12 wrote: »

Fair enough I suppose.

Poor auld Archer!

Before writing Archer's obituary, its worth bearing in mind that John Ryan, his partner in crime (loosehead) today was playing TH last weekend for Cork Con. against Dolphin.

Although they claim he can play both sides, he was playing TH on his recent sojourn with London Irish, so it might not have been totally Archer's fault that the scrum failed today.

.ak

jm08 wrote: »

Before writing Archer's obituary, its worth bearing in mind that John Ryan, his partner in crime (loosehead) today was playing TH last weekend for Cork Con. against Dolphin.

Although they claim he can play both sides, he was playing TH on his recent sojourn with London Irish, so it might not have been totally Archer's fault that the scrum failed today.

I would assume a tighthead going backwards, scrummaging from his knees and bent over double has little, if anything at all, to do with what's happening on his loosehead's side.

Tox56

From reading what people wrote about today it sounded like Ryan played pretty well at LH, something worth looking into perhaps

jm08

.ak wrote: »

I would assume a tighthead going backwards, scrummaging from his knees and bent over double has little, if anything at all, to do with what's happening on his loosehead's side.

I'd assume nothing. I'm no expert, but the TH would not work in isolation. Even getting the hit right and Archer would not have trained with Munster for a while as he was in camp.

totallegend

jm08 wrote: »

I'm no expert.

Finally!

macslash

Anyone else think Denis Buckley should have been in the original squad and therefore in contention for the Fiji squad? Playing great stuff for Connacht so far this year..Would love to have seen Marshall involved from the start but hopefully he'll get a half hour

jm08

jm08 wrote: »

I'd assume nothing. I'm no expert, but the TH would not work in isolation. Even getting the hit right and Archer would not have trained with Munster for a while as he was in camp.

I can't be arsed turning up for work tomorrow jm08, but I can't think of a reason. Could you have a look at your list of excuses and see if there's anything I can use?

jm08

Tox56 wrote: »

From reading what people wrote about today it sounded like Ryan played pretty well at LH, something worth looking into perhaps

Apparently Ryan did very well for London Irish (at TH). Was the TH for Cork Con against Lansdowne recently. Jack McGrath was the LH - anyone at that match?

If he did well today, fair play to him as he played for Cork Con at the weekend.

goreyguy

Agreed on buckley, under no circumstances should healy be on the bench.
Court or Buckley would have been excellent if needed, hell there is a case Buckley should be ahead of Kilcoyne. But i'm not going to complain that a young player is getting a opportunity under Kidney.

molloyjh

jm08 wrote: »

Apparently Ryan did very well for London Irish (at TH). Was the TH for Cork Con against Lansdowne recently. Jack McGrath was the LH - anyone at that match?

If he did well today, fair play to him as he played for Cork Con at the weekend.

Indeed, so are you willing to concede that maybe Archer was as bad as numerous people who were at the game, both Munster and Leinster fans, reported him to be? Or do you want to deflect some more?

Fishooks12

goreyguy wrote: »

Agreed on buckley, under no circumstances should healy be on the bench.
Court or Buckley would have been excellent if needed, hell there is a case Buckley should be ahead of Kilcoyne. But i'm not going to complain that a young player is getting a opportunity under Kidney.

Not really tbh

jm08

Deleted User wrote: »

I can't be arsed turning up for work tomorrow jm08, but I can't think of a reason. Could you have a look at your list of excuses and see if there's anything I can use?

So, no excuses then for the Irish scrum being a shambles against England last 6Ns.

Tox56

Fishooks12 wrote: »

Not really tbh

Not a huge amount in it, both impressing at H Cup level and in the Rabo. Both struggled in scrums against more experienced opponents but that won't be a factor v Fiji. Kilcoyne probably sneaks it but Buckley would be a good bench option.

jm08

molloyjh wrote: »

Indeed, so are you willing to concede that maybe Archer was as bad as numerous people who were at the game, both Munster and Leinster fans, reported him to be? Or do you want to deflect some more?

I think most of the information is coming from one Munster fan who was at the match (who is a bit exciteable at the best of times).

From reports I've read, the only thing Leinster fans had to cheer about was how poor the Munster scrum was.

Tox56

jm08 wrote: »

I think most of the information is coming from one Munster fan who was at the match (who is a bit exciteable at the best of times).

From reports I've read, the only thing Leinster fans had to cheer about was how poor the Munster scrum was.

And that supports his argument..?

Foxtrol

jm08 wrote: »

I think most of the information is coming from one Munster fan who was at the match (who is a bit exciteable at the best of times).

From reports I've read, the only thing Leinster fans had to cheer about was how poor the Munster scrum was.

I've seen it from several Munster fans.

Think Leinster fans are quite happy about how their much less experienced team held their own today, demolishing the Munster scrum was just a bonus.

goreyguy

jm08 will find any angle to defend anyone associated with munster.

d-gal

Fishooks12 wrote: »

Not really tbh

Lol, Buckley is more dynamic around the park and a better scrummager. He has proven that on a number of occasions with the most obvious against John Afoa. I have yet to see Buckley play bad this season. If Buckley was playing with Munster he would be straight in.

d-gal

d-gal wrote: »

Lol, Buckley is more dynamic around the park and a better scrummager. He has proven that on a number of occasions with the most obvious against John Afoa. I have yet to see Buckley play bad this season. If Buckley was playing with Munster he would be straight in.

have to agree with this. So impressive each game I've seen him in. Has breakdown skills too which is always good to see!

molloyjh

jm08 wrote: »

I think most of the information is coming from one Munster fan who was at the match (who is a bit exciteable at the best of times).

From reports I've read, the only thing Leinster fans had to cheer about was how poor the Munster scrum was.

So Munster did suffer at scrum time then? Is that tacit acknowledgement that Archer was poor?

jm08

Foxtrol wrote: »

I've seen it from several Munster fans.

Think Leinster fans are quite happy about how their much less experienced team held their own today, demolishing the Munster scrum was just a bonus.

Just because they post on Munsterfans doesn't mean they are a Munster fan! One poster got his info from a Leinster fan.

Leinster had D. Kearney, Boss & Ruddock playing. They were not that lacking in experience.

Tox56

jm08 wrote: »

Just because they post on Munsterfans doesn't mean they are a Munster fan! One poster got his info from a Leinster fan.

Leinster had D. Kearney, Boss & Ruddock playing. They were not that lacking in experience.

I don't think Boss came off the bench, and someone on LF claimed it was 571 professional caps against 181 professional caps (in the two matchday squads). Can't verify the authenticity but it sounds pretty accurate.

As a Leinster fan I would have liked a win but I'm not too disappointed.

Fishooks12

goreyguy wrote: »

jm08 will find any angle to defend anyone associated with munster.

Agree. But there's posters who will find any angle to criticize a Munster player too

jm08

molloyjh wrote: »

So Munster did suffer at scrum time then? Is that tacit acknowledgement that Archer was poor?

Yes, Munster did. But Archer only played in 40 mins of the match and he was the TH that locked the scrum that denied Leinster the opportunity to win the game.

Leinster may have won the scrum battle, but Leinster lost the war.

Fishooks12

jm08 wrote: »

Yes, Munster did. But Archer only played in 40 mins of the match and he was the TH that locked the scrum that denied Leinster the opportunity to win the game.

Leinster may have won the scrum battle, but Leinster lost the war.

jm, a little tip. Some Munster players are bad, they have bad games. And when they do it's best to admit it and move on rather than trying to defend the indefensible.

jm08

Tox56 wrote: »

I don't think Boss came off the bench, and someone on LF claimed it was 571 professional caps against 181 professional caps (in the two matchday squads). Can't verify the authenticity but it sounds pretty accurate.

As a Leinster fan I would have liked a win but I'm not too disappointed.

As far as I know, Boss did play. Someone I know who was at the match mentioned something about it being weird seeing him playing without a scrumcap.

By the way, who is making excuses now?