Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread

jamiedav2011

goreyguy wrote: »

Ridiculous article by Conor George on POM today in the indie.



:rolleyes::rolleyes:

George is a perfect replacement for Farrelly.
Completely biased, and devoid of any actual analysis.

Podge_irl

The Indo have actually managed to replace Farrelly with someone worse.

Its almost impressive.

Neil3030

All just one big coincidence, I'm sure:

http://www.balls.ie/news/nice-to-see-front-row-client-david-wallace-lauding-front-row-client-peter-omahony-in-todays-indo/#sthash.JS1jWSmE.JSEqNpj7.dpbs

dregin

durkadurka wrote: »

We have big problems at second row in 18 months though. Not saying play him there next week(that would be nuts) but we need to seriously look at options there.

It's an area we've had great players for years now with POC DOC big Mal, Cullen but in a year they'll all be gone -lets face it.

We're talking Ryan, McCarthy, toner ........sheesh!
Let's convert Henderson. Sure we're out the door with blindsides!

Convert? Didn't he play there for the U20 World Championship side?

jamiedav2011

I've said before and I'll say it again, the standard of rugby journalism in this country is a disgrace.

That piece, and the numerous times Frankie has chosen a client MOTM or bigged up the likes of Archer, is not only false and incorrect, but completely unethical.

If you did that in another industry, (bigged up a client without disclosing that they're a client), you'd be right vilified.

It just shouldn't be allowed.

Deano7788

dregin wrote: »

Convert? Didn't he play there for the U20 World Championship side?

Yeah but at senior level he's played exclusively as a 6. Obviously, he can play in both position but it might be better for the team in the long run if he transitioned to playing 2nd row more.

CIARAN_BOYLE

Deano7788 wrote: »

Yeah but at senior level he's played exclusively as a 6. Obviously, he can play in both position but it might be better for the team in the long run if he transitioned to playing 2nd row more.

a lot of the ulster fans are seeing him as a replacement for Ferris

jm08

Neil3030 wrote: »

All just one big coincidence, I'm sure:

http://www.balls.ie/news/nice-to-see-front-row-client-david-wallace-lauding-front-row-client-peter-omahony-in-todays-indo/#sthash.JS1jWSmE.JSEqNpj7.dpbs

Not at all a big coincidence. Conor George contacted David Wallace and asked him what he thought of Peter O'Mahony as David Wallace has seen him up close. The Indo could hardly quote Alan Quinlan (who works for the Irish Times) who also sings the praises of O'Mahony (saying similar things to what Wallace says about him) and competes with Frankie for punditry gigs.

Tomorrow they might ring up Stephen Ferris and ask him what he thinks of Henderson (well, maybe not as Henderson is vying for his position). Maybe they'll talk to Rory Best instead.

Deano7788

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

a lot of the ulster fans are seeing him as a replacement for Ferris

Yeah, and I can definitely see why. For Ireland, though, it might be better if he was a lock, as a lot of the current locks are in their 30s and will be gone soon enough. We also have a ridiculous number of blindsides around. Whatever position he ends up in, though, he'll almost definitely be 1st choice in it.

.ak

He played at lock for the u20s WC... He's no stranger there. I personally would like to see him developed there. There seems to be this idea in Ireland if you play in the second row and grow a pair of legs you get moved to blindside as soon as you're old enough.

Utopia Parkway

I think we would be better off developing Henderson as a second row. Ireland will always produce good blindside flankers so we will be fine there but once DOC and especially POC retire in the next few years we will be badly in need of a potential world class lock.

irishbucsfan

I'm sure he'll play in the row. Maybe not too much this season, but I'm sure they'll develop him there next year to replace Muller when he goes.

Neil3030

How has his scrummaging been when he's played in the row? Would he be tight-head-lock material in the making? That's the area we're badly flipped, imo.

bilston

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I'm sure he'll play in the row. Maybe not too much this season, but I'm sure they'll develop him there next year to replace Muller when he goes.

I would have agreed in the past but I'm told by those who know him that he wants to play 6...although I'm sure that he'll play where he's told...

Otacon

jamiedav2011 wrote: »

I've said before and I'll say it again, the standard of rugby journalism in this country is a disgrace.

That piece, and the numerous times Frankie has chosen a client MOTM or bigged up the likes of Archer, is not only false and incorrect, but completely unethical.

If you did that in another industry, (bigged up a client without disclosing that they're a client), you'd be right vilified.

It just shouldn't be allowed.

But that's Frankie doing his job. His job is to promote his clients. All of the blame needs to go to the papers and television networks who hire him as a pundit, knowing his day-job.

ScissorPaperRock

Otacon wrote: »

But that's Frankie doing his job. His job is to promote his clients. All of the blame needs to go to the papers and television networks who hire him as a pundit, knowing his day-job.

Some of the blame, sure, but he has to accept responsibility for his own actions if he's trying to mislead people because he profits from the success of his clients.

Neil3030

I think Frankie is a partisan charlatan pick-pocket, but the blame lies solely with the networks who hire him.

Otacon

ScissorPaperRoc wrote: »

Some of the blame, sure, but he has to accept responsibility for his own actions if he's trying to mislead people because he profits from the success of his clients.

But the conflict of interest is created by whichever outlet hires him.

Also, who is he misleading and how does that benefit his clients exactly? He is speaking to the public about his clients, but they don't affect how much his client gets paid or whether he starts.

Foxtrol

Neil3030 wrote: »

I think Frankie is a partisan charlatan pick-pocket, but the blame lies solely with the networks who hire him.

Frankie is responsible for his own actions. Just because the companies hire him knowing his business doesn't absolve Frankie from all blame for acting unethically.

Neil3030

Foxtrol wrote: »

Frankie is responsible for his own actions. Just because the companies hire him knowing his business doesn't absolve Frankie from all blame for acting unethically.

Not sure I agree. Once he operates within the rule of law, his individual duties are presumably to his business and to his family / friends. It's the duty of the broadcaster to provide balanced, unbiased coverage and analysis for their customers. Frankie isn't breaking any laws, he's just a loathsome individual that I'd rather not see near a panel purporting to offer informed opinion.

Foxtrol

Otacon wrote: »

But the conflict of interest is created by whichever outlet hires him.

Also, who is he misleading and how does that benefit his clients exactly? He is speaking to the public about his clients, but they don't affect how much his client gets paid or whether he starts.

He obviously puts himself forward for the roles in the broadcasters and I'm sure he doesn't tell them when he's auditioning "lads, when I get a chance I'm going to big up my clients" and I presume they expect him to act in an ethical manner. The Broadcasters unfortunately seem happy with him and given how much he's on TV radio I wouldnt be surprised if he comes cheap so I doubt we'll see him off the airwaves anytime soon.

He's misleading any viewer who doesn't know his links to the players involved as he is portrayed as an expert. It's like bringing in the CEO of Google on a business show and introducing him as an expert in internet companies and for him to then during the discussion say only positive hyperbole about Google.

As he's in the media he effects public perception and the in turn effects selection. He has also given several very questionable Man of the Match awards to his clients which in turn can be pointed to when selections/international call ups/contract discussions come around.

Podge_irl

Frankie is essentially just doing his job - as loathsome an approach to it as he takes. You may as well moan about Michael O'Leary making Ryanair an unpleasant airline to fly on.

The fault entirely lies with RTÉ for constantly giving him an avenue to exploit so brazenly.

Otacon

Foxtrol wrote: »

He obviously puts himself forward for the roles in the broadcasters and I'm sure he doesn't tell them when he's auditioning "lads, when I get a chance I'm going to big up my clients" and I presume they expect him to act in an ethical manner. The Broadcasters unfortunately seem happy with him and given how much he's on TV radio I wouldnt be surprised if he comes cheap so I doubt we'll see him off the airwaves anytime soon.

Again, the broadcaster is responsible for the quality of guests on shows. Frackie may or may not 'put himself forward' but even if he does, the media outlet who pays him are who to blame. Frankie's just doing his full-time job.

Foxtrol wrote: »

He's misleading any viewer who doesn't know his links to the players involved as he is portrayed as an expert. It's like bringing in the CEO of Google on a business show and introducing him as an expert in internet companies and for him to then during the discussion say only positive hyperbole about Google.

The business show are the ones responsible for who gets their air time.

Foxtrol wrote: »

As he's in the media he effects public perception and the in turn effects selection. He has also given several very questionable Man of the Match awards to his clients which in turn can be pointed to when selections/international call ups/contract discussions come around.

Since when has Kidney's selections been the least bit impacted by public opinion?! People are almost always at a loss to explain his picks!

danthefan

Podge_irl wrote: »

Frankie is essentially just doing his job - as loathsome an approach to it as he takes. You may as well moan about Michael O'Leary making Ryanair an unpleasant airline to fly on.

The fault entirely lies with RTÉ for constantly giving him an avenue to exploit so brazenly.

I think that's a fair point.

leakyboots

http://instagram.com/p/SOgSTjj__v/



Why Heaslip would even consider posting this (Rala's list) is beyond me. Could have sensitive info on it if you read certain points (#25, #36, #37) certain ways.

Tox56

leakyboots wrote: »

http://instagram.com/p/SOgSTjj__v

Why Heaslip would even consider posting this (Rala's list) is beyond me. Could have sensitive info on it if you read certain points (#25, #36, #37) certain ways.

Or maybe it doesn't and that's why he posted it

Neil3030

leakyboots wrote: »

http://instagram.com/p/SOgSTjj__v/
Why Heaslip would even consider posting this (Rala's list) is beyond me. Could have sensitive info on it if you read certain points (#25, #36, #37) certain ways.

Who's ruth? (#18)

Foxtrol

Otacon wrote: »

Again, the broadcaster is responsible for the quality of guests on shows. Frackie may or may not 'put himself forward' but even if he does, the media outlet who pays him are who to blame. Frankie's just doing his full-time job.

Doing the full time job or not doesnt mean he's absolved from blame for acting unethically. I agree the broadcasters share some blame is true but Frankie shoulders some blame for his unethical actions.

The business show are the ones responsible for who gets their air time.

Yes, but doesn't make it ethical for you not to mention that you could be making money from the comments you're making.

Since when has Kidney's selections been the least bit impacted by public opinion?! People are almost always at a loss to explain his picks!

Fair point. I do feel that without the support he has received from the media with players such as TOL, ROG, Buckley he'd have been much quicker to drop them.

jamiedav2011

Otacon wrote: »

But that's Frankie doing his job. His job is to promote his clients. All of the blame needs to go to the papers and television networks who hire him as a pundit, knowing his day-job.

Really? All the blame is to go on the media?
I couldn't agree with that, he's also being unethical when he's promoting clients on the national airwaves without actually mentioning that they're a client.

That's the first rule of ethics when it comes to running an agency tbh. Does he think he can be seen as credible?

Higher

leakyboots wrote: »

http://instagram.com/p/SOgSTjj__v/



Why Heaslip would even consider posting this (Rala's list) is beyond me. Could have sensitive info on it if you read certain points (#25, #36, #37) certain ways.

Mountain out of molehill to be honest. You always seem to have SOME issue with Heaslip.


Anyway, back on topic this is my team for next week.

1.Healy
2.Strauss
3.Ross
4.Ryan
5.McCarthy
6.Henderson
7.Henry
8.Heaslip
9.Reddan
10.Sexton
11.Gilroy
12.Marshall
13.Cave
14.Bowe
15.Zebo

I'm not a hypocrite, when Leinster were thrashing everyone last season I called for a majority Leinster team, now that its Ulster I believe that the Ulster guys should be started en bloc. Not only is that backline the best one, its also the future.

Henderson has to start, our biggest obstacle against South Africa was the fact that only Healy seemed to be able to get any go forward ball. Henderson is the best 6 in the squad and arguably may be better than Ferris in the future. He HAS to start. Kidney needs to start rewarding form. I've no idea why the papers are falling over themselves to argue for POM's place over Henderson. Henderson for me is already a better 6, he's the physicality that were desperately missing since Ferris and SOB's injuries.