Capello

Mitch Connor

thebullkf wrote: »

Whats the confusion?

Breaking the Old Firm stranglehold on the Scottish title and winning a european title, with Aberdeen.

A fairly big achievement imo.

thebullkf

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Whats the confusion?

Breaking the Old Firm stranglehold on the Scottish title and winning a european title, with Aberdeen.

A fairly big achievement imo.

the thread is titled CAPELLO...not FERGIE ffs.

Mitch Connor

thebullkf wrote: »

the thread is titled CAPELLO...not FERGIE ffs.

So why no confusion about the mention of Mourinho?

The poster was discussing the management merits of CAPELLO, in a thread about CAPELLO while comparing his achievements (and the clubs he achieved at) to that of Mourinho and Fergie who managed great feats and small clubs (as well as great feats at big clubs)

thebullkf

Mitch Connor wrote: »

So why no confusion about the mention of Mourinho?

The poster was discussing the management merits of CAPELLO, in a thread about CAPELLO while comparing his achievements (and the clubs he achieved at) to that of Mourinho and Fergie who managed great feats and small clubs (as well as great feats at big clubs)

because its not an alex ferguson appreciation society.

and josé's a better manager imo.


if he wins the league/CLwith madrid this year he'll be rightly viewed as the best ever-above Alex,and Bob.

Degag

thebullkf wrote: »

because its not an alex ferguson appreciation society.

and josé's a better manager imo.


if he wins the league/CLwith madrid this year he'll be rightly viewed as the best ever-above Alex,and Bob.

I fail to see how. Alex Ferguson has managed the biggest club in the World for over 25 years winning countless trophies. I'm not disputing that Mourinho has achieved alot, but i think he has a long way to go before he can be mentioned alongside Ferguson.

steelcityblues

event wrote: »

Roma, a team who had only won 2 leagues in their history

he won a league with them, so thats that theory out the window

fair enough if you dont like him or think he's good enough, but to discount his achievements is a silly point IMO

and eventually taking them to a mid-table finish, plus not coming anywhere near to winning the Champions League. If a Mourinho, Van Gaal, or Ferguson were at that club, they could have achieved more.

event

steelcityblues wrote: »

and eventually taking them to a mid-table finish, plus not coming anywhere near to winning the Champions League. If a Mourinho, Van Gaal, or Ferguson were at that club, they could have achieved more.

ah for christs sake

ye claimed he had only done it with large clubs and budget to match. Someone shows you that he had won a league with a much smaller club yet you discount that cos he didnt win in europe.

i didnt know that after winning a league with a small club, you then had to win something in europe to prove yourself. He took them to within a point the following year and he also took them to the cup final.

if mourinho or fergie hadnt done it with porto/aberdeen would you be discounting them too?

steelcityblues

They wouldn't have been appointed by Chelsea and Manchester United respectively, if it wasn't for what they achieved at those clubs.

As I said earlier, Capello's not a bad manager, but he didn't work his way up like so many other high-profile managers. I think it could be a factor for him not transferring so well to international football.

Mitch Connor

thebullkf wrote: »

because its not an alex ferguson appreciation society.

and josé's a better manager imo.


if he wins the league/CLwith madrid this year he'll be rightly viewed as the best ever-above Alex,and Bob.

so basically, your 'confusion' was actually a dislike of Ferguson, while you like Jose so its fine to use him as a comparison.

Pathetic.

Lukker-

England woulda won the World Cup with a 4-2-3-1.

/Discuss

lordgoat

Lukker- wrote: »

England woulda won the World Cup with a 4-2-3-1.

/Discuss

They would have won two world cups if they had done this.

thebullkf

Mitch Connor wrote: »

so basically, your 'confusion' was actually a dislike of Ferguson, while you like Jose so its fine to use him as a comparison.

Pathetic.

how is it pathetic?

josé will have surpassed fergie if he wins CL and league this year.
in a THIRD of the time.

i don't want this to go off topic again.
you're obviously a united fan.

btw bob paisley's record of 18 major trophies in 9 years is the real yardstick imo.

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Back on topic.

I think the pressure-fear of failure coupled with the apparent power the players wield is the real problem with england.

the players are better individually than collectively-thre opposite is true of ghana,usa, et al.

i mean who the hell does terry think he is??


capello's failure was not dropping terry for his apparent mutiny.
(i know they were struggling for cover)

his other failure was not dropping Rooney after the first game,or instead playing crouch and defoe together in the first game-Rooney doesn't look fit-gerrard doesn't know what to do as captain.

Milner is not good enough @ this level.

after the rob green mistake NOT ONE english player went over to him.
only terry gestured to him 'chin up'


thats not good enough.




players are molly coddled @ club level and believe the sh1t in the red tops thats written about them.

i rate Capello as a manager.

i rate england as a team (individually)

wtf was beckham doing there??


tbh i'm ragin we weren't in the world cup.

to be honest i think we would've done well.:mad::mad:

Mitch Connor

thebullkf wrote: »

how is it pathetic?

josé will have surpassed fergie if he wins CL and league this year.
in a THIRD of the time.

i don't want this to go off topic again.
you're obviously a united fan.

btw bob paisley's record of 18 major trophies in 9 years is the real yardstick imo.

No. Having the opinion that Jose is a better manager is fine. Your opinion and you are entirled to it.

Pretending you have a problem with Fergie being mentioned because it is off topic, when in reality it was because you don't like Fergie, is pathetic.

thebullkf

Mitch Connor wrote: »

No. Having the opinion that Jose is a better manager is fine. Your opinion and you are entirled to it.

Pretending you have a problem with Fergie being mentioned because it is off topic, when in reality it was because you don't like Fergie, is pathetic.

thats a good boy.

ignore the rest of my post.

i don't care what your definiton of pathetic is.

now any chance of getting back on topic?

i honestly feel we'd have a decent shout if we'd qualified .

sickening thing isthe lampard thing might start the ball rolling in the use of video evidence/retrospectively even?

Mitch Connor

thebullkf wrote: »

thats a good boy.

ignore the rest of my post.

i don't care what your definiton of pathetic is.

now any chance of getting back on topic?

i honestly feel we'd have a decent shout if we'd qualified .

sickening thing isthe lampard thing might start the ball rolling in the use of video evidence/retrospectively even?

why are you talking about Lampard? This thread is about Capello.

I don't like Lampard so i find it confusing you would mention him. Now, if you had said Messi I would have had no problem.

bonerm

Lukker- wrote: »

England woulda won the World Cup with a 4-2-3-1.

/Discuss

Yes if "4-2-3-1" is some sort of code for giving UK citizenship to all Brazilians, Argentinians, Germans and Dutch?

thebullkf

Mitch Connor wrote: »

why are you talking about Lampard? This thread is about Capello.

I don't like Lampard so i find it confusing you would mention him. Now, if you had said Messi I would have had no problem.

lampard plays for capello.

badly.

angel01

I really don't see how Fabio can survive this. He is saying that the players are so tired, aren't all the players at the WC tired?

thebullkf

angel01 wrote: »

I really don't see how Fabio can survive this. He is saying that the players are so tired, aren't all the players at the WC tired?

in fairness, i think germany had a monthlong break in january....



really makes a difference.

mike65

England didn't treat the World Cup seriously, they did they'd ditch the League Cup and move the FA Cup forwards in a WC year, then they'd have sent the squad to acclimatise at altitude much sooner and done that job properly and of course they'd change everything else that needs changing as well. None of which will happen to enough of a degree in the next 10 years I'll bet.

yahoo_moe

mike65 wrote: »

of course they'd change everything else that needs changing as well.

Including the media coverage of the side if they're to have any chance. For papers and pundits to turn around now and claim that Capello can't get the best out of Rooney is just shameful.

nacho libre

thebullkf wrote: »

in fairness, i think germany had a monthlong break in january....



really makes a difference.

and of the other teams still in it? is that the case too?

allthedoyles

Anyone that has been around for the last 10 odd years will have seen / heard all this before .

Latest news is that they now want an English manager.................well they already have had an English manager , and they even had more than two english managers before .

If you remember back , they had 4 english managers in the 90's .The first one was known as turnip head , and he was blamed for all losses .

afaik , its only in recent years that they decided to go with a foreign manager .

mike65

allthedoyles wrote: »

afaik, its only in recent years that they decided to go with a foreign manager .

:eek: Well plugged into the wide world of football then

Dont be at yourself

Should never have got rid of Glen Hoddle.

allthedoyles

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

Should never have got rid of Glen Hoddle.

Agree 100 %

_Bella_

Seems like Capello will keep his job:

Football Association board member Phil Gartside has come out in support of Fabio Capello and says he expects the England manager to keep his job.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/world_cup_2010/8773972.stm

gleep

Yep, He's staying..http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/world_cup_2010/8784093.stm

End of Terry's England career?

JP Liz V1

I thought Capello would be sent packing after the WC :eek:

PHB

Why not? He's 30, an average defender for England, and a disruptive influence. England need to rebuild their team, and get rid of Terry Ferdinand James Carragher Lampard all who will be 34 by the next world cup. Start focusing on the development of Hart, Johnson, Rooney, Walcott etc and build the team around them.

Lukker-

PHB wrote: »

Why not? He's 30, an average defender for England, and a disruptive influence. England need to rebuild their team, and get rid of Terry Ferdinand James Carragher Lampard all who will be 34 by the next world cup. Start focusing on the development of Hart, Johnson, Rooney, Walcott etc and build the team around them.

You left out Gerrard :P

Dont be at yourself

Which CB do they blood though? King, Ferdinand, Terry, Carragher, Upson will all be liabilities by the time of the next tournament. Does he trust qualification to Dawson and Shawcross?

KittyeeTrix

Statement released by english FA stating that Capello is to remain as England Manager