Brazil -v- Ivory Coast, Sun 7:30pm RTE & BBC HD

steelcityblues

Or go back to 1982 with Schumacher's 'clash' and the repeated fouls on Maradona in every game. Voller/Rijkaard in 1990, and so on.

People who say they won't watch because of this, probably will continue to watch the World Cup!

OneColdHand

That game was disgraceful. i feel sorry for Kaka on a personal level, no way he should have been sent off. But for Brazil to claim that Keita was wrong is hipocracy of the highest order, considering some of the antics that Luis Fabiano and Bastos, to name a few, got up to.

Also ironic was after the sending off, Fabiano is rolling around on the ground, and the Ivory Coast players are dragging him telling him to stop play acting! The last 10 mins were lol-tastic!

copacetic

pickarooney wrote: »

Keita's reaction was obvious ridiculous but if the ref genuinely thought he'd been given an elbow in the face he could not have given a simple yellow card. Kaká saw him coming and gave him a little dig in the chest - the card was maybe harsh but, like the Italy penalty earlier, the right decision if the laws are applied strictly, irrespective of the opponent's overreaction.

I find it hard to understand how he didn't card Keita though.

thats rubbish, he just moved his arm to protect himself from someone running right into him. His only mistake was not diving, feigning injury himself.

unkel

Stekelly wrote: »

Brazilians and Ivorians trying to out cheat each other. Big bunch of diving tossers the lot of them.

They should get the italians on here and have a 3 way dive off.

The greatest diver of all time is Portuguese, no?

OneColdHand

copacetic wrote: »

thats rubbish, he just moved his arm to protect himself from someone running right into him. His only mistake was not diving, feigning injury himself.

Exactly, I agree, Keita didn't see him and was about to run into him, so Kaka held up his arm to protect himself.

Mr.Nice Guy

Imagine New Zealand fans who primarily watch rugby, who are really getting into football due to their nation's performances in the tournament, then having to see that nonsense this evening. Of if an American mainly interested in other sports decided to give tonight's game a chance. It's an embarrassment.

What's just as bad is the fact FIFA will likely do nothing except maybe fine the Ivory Coast's FA a paltry sum and tell the referee to do better next time.

There's an ugliness in this sport that won't be stamped out unless there is massive change from the top downwards. Bring in video technology and clean up this game.

Thanx 4 The Fish

pickarooney wrote: »

Keita's reaction was obvious ridiculous but if the ref genuinely thought he'd been given an elbow in the face he could not have given a simple yellow card. Kaká saw him coming and gave him a little dig in the chest - the card was maybe harsh but, like the Italy penalty earlier, the right decision if the laws are applied strictly, irrespective of the opponent's overreaction.

I find it hard to understand how he didn't card Keita though.

He did not see it, the ref was not looking at all, much like the Shawcross challenge, the ref have a card on the basis of something he saw later. The assistant ref was on the wrong side, nobody could have seen it. There is nothing that he could have given him, it was a disgraceful decision and I hope it is overturned.

missingtime

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Imagine New Zealand fans who primarily watch rugby, who are really getting into football due to their nation's performances in the tournament, then having to see that nonsense this evening. Of if an American mainly interested in other sports decided to give tonight's game a chance. It's an embarrassment.

What's just as bad is the fact FIFA will likely do nothing except maybe fine the Ivory Coast's FA a paltry sum and tell the referee to do better next time.

There's an ugliness in this sport that won't be stamped out unless there is massive change from the top downwards. Bring in video technology and clean up this game.

Never gonna happen. FIFA are happy out having all the free attention drawn to the sport.

Thanx 4 The Fish

bijapos wrote: »

FIFA should get a panel of 3 refs, retired ones such as Collina to use video evidence to get people like that Ivorian banned for two or three matches.

Its the only way it will stop the rot.

Worst thing is kids seem to think its normal, very common to see it now at U-12 and upwards matches.

When rivaldo rolled over for that one that hit him in the knee and he went over clutching his face, a FIFA panel reviewed and banned him for two games in the WC didn't they.

steelcityblues

unkel wrote: »

The greatest diver of all time is Portuguese, no?

What about this guy?

CorkMan

youcrazyjesus! wrote: »

Kaka did absolutely nothing wrong for the 2nd yellow. Nothing.

As for the other disgraceful tackles, after Cahill's red and the ridiculous German game I think players are taking advantage of the fact FIFA have talked to the referees.

Wasn't there another clearly red card tackle in the game as well?

Luap

How many matches will Kaka miss?

namloc1980

Thanx 4 The Fish wrote: »

When rivaldo rolled over for that one that hit him in the knee and he went over clutching his face, a FIFA panel reviewed and banned him for two games in the WC didn't they.

Wasn't it just a fine that he got??

Auvers

Maloney_o9 wrote: »

How many matches will Kaka miss?

one

copacetic

Thanx 4 The Fish wrote: »

When rivaldo rolled over for that one that hit him in the knee and he went over clutching his face, a FIFA panel reviewed and banned him for two games in the WC didn't they.

yep, Motty was just saying that maybe it's a precedent for this.

edit :eek: was motty wrong?

Thanx 4 The Fish

You are right, a panel sat on it but in the end only fined, thought he was banned.

Luap

Who got Man Of The Match?

namloc1980

copacetic wrote: »

yep, Motty was just saying that maybe it's a precedent for this. They said it was because the ref hadn't seen it.

No Rivaldo was only fined. He wasn't suspended in the 2002 World Cup.

_Bella_

bbc said he was suspended for 2 matches...?

Thanx 4 The Fish

BBC are as wrong as I was

Auvers

_Bella_ wrote: »

bbc said he was suspended for 2 matches...?

2x yellows =1 match
Straight red = 2x matches

namloc1980

_Bella_ wrote: »

bbc said he was suspended for 2 matches...?

They are wrong. Rivaldo was only fined, not suspended, actually here is a BBC report on it!! click

BKtje

He did not see it, the ref was not looking at all, much like the Shawcross challenge, the ref have a card on the basis of something he saw later. The assistant ref was on the wrong side, nobody could have seen it. There is nothing that he could have given him, it was a disgraceful decision and I hope it is overturned.

Maybe the 4th official said something?

RichTea

http://bit.ly/bmpVb1 Match Report

Not sure as to the appeals procedure in the World Cup but I have a feeling Kaká will miss the next game. It's not all that important anyway, Brazil will still be too good for Portugal.

Jimmy Iovine

Interesting stat, Elano is the first Brazilian player to make 7 successful tackles in a World Cup match since Dunga himself managed the feat in the 1994 final against Italy.

He seems to be having an effect on the team anyway

dfx-

bijapos wrote: »

FIFA should get a panel of 3 refs, retired ones such as Collina to use video evidence to get people like that Ivorian banned for two or three matches.

Its the only way it will stop the rot.

Collina has shown himself to miss pulling and diving at CL level (Carvalho and Valdes) and at World Cup level (Owen v Argentina in 2002). He is not all-seeing God.

Every referee misses stuff..

unkel

dfx- wrote: »

Collina has shown himself to miss pulling and diving at CL level (Carvalho and Valdes) and at World Cup level (Owen v Argentina in 2002). He is not all-seeing God.

Every referee misses stuff..

Good idea though, isn't it? A panel of a few experienced referees who have immediate access to video footage (from like 10 angles) making the final decision.

And yes every referee misses stuff when directly refereeing a match. Even the best referee there ever was (Collina). That's the whole point about suggesting the overruling power of a panel of referees

tdv123

Jimmy Iovine wrote: »

Interesting stat, Elano is the first Brazilian player to make 7 successful tackles in a World Cup match since Dunga himself managed the feat in the 1994 final against Italy.

He seems to be having an effect on the team anyway

Where did you find them stat? It's like the most random stat of all time lol.

Jimmy Iovine

tdv123 wrote: »

Where did you find them stat? It's like the most random stat of all time lol.

I came up with it myself haha. No Opta Sports always post these kind of stats on their Facebook page (http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/optajoe?ref=ts) and on Twitter.

Couldn't believe it when I saw it today. Absolutely fantastic statistic

lugha

unkel wrote: »

Good idea though, isn't it? A panel of a few experienced referees who have immediate access to video footage (from like 10 angles) making the final decision.

And yes every referee misses stuff when directly refereeing a match. Even the best referee there ever was (Collina). That's the whole point about suggesting the overruling power of a panel of referees

FIFA like the idea that association football is the same game with the same rules at all levels and are thus reluctant to introduce video technology. I can see the attraction of this stance though this may be a luxury they cannot afford.

But they don’t have to go this far to deal with cheating. They are already prepared to use video footage retrospectively to deal with some incidents; all the need to is REALLY deal with one or two of these incidents. Any by deal with, I mean the way rugby union’s Tom Williams was dealt with, initially getting a 12-month ban for faking a blood injury, which is on a par with diving or what Keita did.

And I believe you can effect such a change. When was the last time you say a player on a football field throw a punch? It is all but unheard of in recent decades because the football authorities took a stance that they absolutely would not tolerate it. They can do so again with cheating, which IMO is a much greater threat to the game. And it is they who need to act. Blaming referees is silly. For the most part, they obviously cannot see everything, and it is not pragmatic to insist they be 100% sure before they make a big decision.