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Pairc Ui Chaoimh re-development

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    #842
    Mumha
    Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Mumha


    sheff the ref wrote: »
    Based on this article here, the IRFU will send Munster to the Aviva rather than to Pairc Ui Chaoimh

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/munster-keen-to-stage-european-game-at-pairc-ui-chaoimh-791380.html

    What it actually says is
    While there are clearly many hurdles to clear for Munster's men in red to take to the Páirc Uí Chaoimh field, not least a willingness by the IRFU to turn its back on its own Aviva Stadium and hand coffers over to the GAA, it is not beyond the bounds of possibility and CEO Fitzgerald said: “If you're asking if the opportunity arose in the future for us to do that, we'd love to do it.

    Aside from anything else, it doesn't say the IRFU would refuse. If that was the case, Munster would have played their QF in the Aviva, but they didn't. I'm very confident that it will happen in the reasonably near future, especially if Ireland get RWC 2023, and we'll know that in November.


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    #843
    case885
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    I wouldn't rule it out either. Thomond is run independently to Munster so if there is extra revenue for a pool game in the pairc then it's possible.


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    #844
    sheff the ref
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    There is an IRFU debt hanging over Thomond Park. Unlikely that the IRFU would allow say 500,000 to be handed over to Cork GAA for stadium hire

    The 45,000 that would fill Cork would go to the Aviva anyway as proven today
    Mumha wrote: »
    What it actually says is



    Aside from anything else, it doesn't say the IRFU would refuse. If that was the case, Munster would have played their QF in the Aviva, but they didn't. I'm very confident that it will happen in the reasonably near future, especially if Ireland get RWC 2023, and we'll know that in November.


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    #845
    Mumha
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    sheff the ref wrote: »
    There is an IRFU debt hanging over Thomond Park. Unlikely that the IRFU would allow say 500,000 to be handed over to Cork GAA for stadium hire

    The 45,000 that would fill Cork would go to the Aviva anyway as proven today

    For a final, yes, absolutely. However, there'd be blue murder if they forced anything else to the Aviva, if there was a viable option within the province of Munster. You only have to remember the consternation caused when the 2006 Perpignan QF was forced to Lansdowne.


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    #846
    namloc1980
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    Mumha wrote: »
    For a final, yes, absolutely. However, there'd be blue murder if they forced anything else to the Aviva, if there was a viable option within the province of Munster. You only have to remember the consternation caused when the 2006 Perpignan QF was forced to Lansdowne.

    I might be wrong but I can't see showpiece events like the Pro 12 final or ERC semis being played in anything other than all seater stadiums or ones with little terracing. Majority of the capacity in PUC is terraced standing.


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    #847
    Jimmy Bottles
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    Is there a plan for an open day when the public can have a look at the new stadium?


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    #848
    Mumha
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    namloc1980 wrote: »
    I might be wrong but I can't see showpiece events like the Pro 12 final or ERC semis being played in anything other than all seater stadiums or ones with little terracing. Majority of the capacity in PUC is terraced standing.

    Is there something specifically against it ? I would have thought (as most things) it would come down to money.


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    #849
    kub
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    AFAIK the venues for the big ERC and PRO 12 rugby games are decided by the organisers of those competitions, not Munster management or IRFU.

    As has been mentioned, Munster owe IRFU a few bob for Thomond Park and neither can i see them handing very necessary funds over to GAA.


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    #850
    kcb
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    Mumha wrote: »
    Is there something specifically against it ? I would have thought (as most things) it would come down to money.

    It comes down to the organisers of such competitions picking a nice stadium which they will feel they can easily sell tickets to.

    Having 15,000 tickets for a standing area might not be of huge interest to organisers trying to offload tickets.

    There's no two ways about it, this is a stadium that does not fit in with modern international sporting events.


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    #851
    johnnyryan89
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    kub wrote: »
    AFAIK the venues for the big ERC and PRO 12 rugby games are decided by the organisers of those competitions, not Munster management or IRFU.

    As has been mentioned, Munster owe IRFU a few bob for Thomond Park and neither can i see them handing very necessary funds over to GAA.

    ERC decide which stadiums host the semi finals and afaik they keep all money made from ticket sales so will choose the Aviva all day everyday because a) it's bigger so can sell more tickets and b) it's an all seater stadium so it's easier to sell tickets.

    Pro 12 semi finals are played in your home ground so if Munster wanted to move to PUC they could but why would they. The semi final just gone didn't sell out so can't see why they would move to a larger stadium when Thomond Park didn't sell it. The Pro 12 could possibly hold the final in PUC if they wanted to but why would they for the same reasons ERC will choose Aviva because it's an all seater stadium. Just over 45,500 people showed up to the Aviva Saturday night which would be similar attendance to a sold out PUC once it's finished but could you imagine how many fans wouldn't have showed up with Saturdays weather knowing half the stadium is not covered.


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    #852
    TheChizler
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    One other (slightly superstitious) reason to prefer PUC is that Munster have only won 1 match in the Aviva since it opened.


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    #853
    PTH2009
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    Don't think Munster will be many European semi finals for a while tbh


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    #854
    case885
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    PTH2009 wrote:
    Don't think Munster will be many European semi finals for a while tbh


    Based on what? Them actually making the semis this year..


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    #855
    case885
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    PTH2009 wrote:
    Don't think Munster will be many European semi finals for a while tbh


    Based on what? Them actually making the semis this year..


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    #856
    case885
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    PTH2009 wrote:
    Don't think Munster will be many European semi finals for a while tbh


    Based on what? Them actually making the semis this year..


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    #857
    PTH2009
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    case885 wrote: »
    Based on what? Them actually making the semis this year..

    The disaster yesterday which showed our lack of squad depth but that discussion doesn't belong here

    Id expect a few concerts next summer in the stadium though


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    #858
    Mumha
    Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Mumha


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    The disaster yesterday which showed our lack of squad depth but that discussion doesn't belong here

    Id expect a few concerts next summer in the stadium though

    They will definitely play there in the next few years, and a lot sooner if we get the RWC 2023. Plus, what's the nearest Rugby club to PUC ?


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    #859
    ScrubsfanChris
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    Mumha wrote: »
    They will definitely play there in the next few years, and a lot sooner if we get the RWC 2023. Plus, what's the nearest Rugby club to PUC ?
    Cork Con


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    #860
    salmocab
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    Mumha wrote: »
    They will definitely play there in the next few years, and a lot sooner if we get the RWC 2023. Plus, what's the nearest Rugby club to PUC ?

    I would be shocked if Munster/IRFU played a game in a stadium they don't own, it will lose them revenue. They have 2 stadiums of their own in the province and a 3rd available to them in Dublin. Any game big enough to need a bigger stadium than Thomond would be moved to the Aviva.


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    #861
    johnnyryan89
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    salmocab wrote: »
    I would be shocked if Munster/IRFU played a game in a stadium they don't own, it will lose them revenue. They have 2 stadiums of their own in the province and a 3rd available to them in Dublin. Any game big enough to need a bigger stadium than Thomond would be moved to the Aviva.

    Only way it would be played is if the GAA more or less let them use the stadium for nothing.


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    #862
    Mumha
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    ScrubsfanChris wrote: »
    Cork Con

    Exactly. Aside from what I've heard from an excellent source, this is why I'm very confident it will happen.


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    #863
    Mumha
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    johnnyryan89 wrote: »
    Only way it would be played is if the GAA more or less let them use the stadium for nothing.

    There's plenty for both to make money, especially for an ongoing relationship.


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    #864
    GavRedKing
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    Whats with the fascination of Munster using the new stadium?


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    #865
    Ludo
    Registered Users Posts: 5,015 ✭✭✭Ludo


    GavRedKing wrote: »
    Whats with the fascination of Munster using the new stadium?

    To show it isn't a completely unnecessary white elephant vanity project presumably.


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    #866
    PTH2009
    Registered Users Posts: 38,384 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    will we get an opening quite as exciting as this lol


    The first events due to take place is the Munster minor and senior football finals on the 2nd July and i think the Hurling finals the week after will be there too. Id give ye a very chance that Cork will be in the hurling decider on the 9th July but ye need a massive improvement to be in the football final on the 2nd.

    Will all the league games in 2018 be held here ???


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    #867
    Cape Clear
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    GavRedKing wrote: »
    Whats with the fascination of Munster using the new stadium?

    There's only one poster pushing that agenda here to be fair and it's getting quite tiresome.


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    #868
    southstar
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    salmocab wrote: »
    I would be shocked if Munster/IRFU played a game in a stadium they don't own, it will lose them revenue. They have 2 stadiums of their own in the province and a 3rd available to them in Dublin. Any game big enough to need a bigger stadium than Thomond would be moved to the Aviva.

    An agreement with the GAA already exists.. and was used as part of the bid..to use some of the provincial stadiums.I think that there is an intention to spread pool games throughout the island and would expect that Parc Ui Chaoimh to be used.By the way congrats to the GAA in Cork...took a walk down the marina recently and it looks brilliant


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    #869
    kcb
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    GavRedKing wrote: »
    Whats with the fascination of Munster using the new stadium?

    Exactly!

    The missed opportunity here is not about not having a rugby team from Limerick play a couple of games in the Pairc.


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    #870
    clerk
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    PTH2009 wrote: »
    Will all the league games in 2018 be held here ???

    As far as we know, yes.


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    #871
    namloc1980
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    PTH2009 wrote: »
    will we get an opening quite as exciting as this lol


    The first events due to take place is the Munster minor and senior football finals on the 2nd July and i think the Hurling finals the week after will be there too. Id give ye a very chance that Cork will be in the hurling decider on the 9th July but ye need a massive improvement to be in the football final on the 2nd.

    Will all the league games in 2018 be held here ???

    If Cork lose to Tipp in the football then the Munster final will be in Thurles as they have a home and away agreement with Kerry.


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