Pairc Ui Chaoimh re-development

Flesh Gorden

Rhys Essien wrote: »

Can anyone tell me why there was no big concert there since Oasis in 1996.

Bruce Springsteen in 2013 makes a lot of sense when the place is ready to fall down.:(

Look at all the money they lost out on for 17 years.:rolleyes:

They tried to book Elton John back in 02' but it ended up being moved to Killarney due to poor ticket sales
Can't remember what the ticket prices were, but they were very expensive by the standards of that time

Considering we've only two large scale promoters in Ireland who can bring concerts of this size (one of whom I don't think can be mentioned on boards) who only book in the Dublin area and Punchestown anymore.

And Aiken, who thankfully has the foresight to take a chance on venues like Slane and the Live at the Marquee series.

Meaning it's probably seen as too much of a financial risk to be booking large concerts down here.

The success of the 'Live at the Marquee' series might have played a part in convincing them otherwise and we might see an annual stadium concert, especially after the re-development.

Or maybe Jim Morrison and a Weird Naked Indian appeared to Peter Aiken telling him "If you book them, they will come" :pac: :pac: :pac:

Cape Clear

Deleted User wrote: »

If Cork are to to get more of the big games in the long term though they just cant go on the way things are. Other counties are getting fed up with PUC in its present state. The concourses are far to narrow and the bowl itself is a disaster. Only a child, a midget or a dwarf could enjoy a game in any form of comfort. As for the site around well its a sorry looking eyesore. Additionally, people having to access a stadium via the first aid area where ambulances need access, its an absurd situation

The location is sort of odd considering most of the counties access Cork from the North of the city and yet have to cross the river to the South but Cork as a City is a brilliant setting for a game. You love your sport down there so its only right ye have a top class stadium to go with it. Maybe im being selfish as a tall Tipperary man who attends many games in Cork with it being a neutral venue, but having my knees cramped back for 3 hours like last years Munster final, just isn't fun.

I have no problem with the building of a modern top class venue and agree that P ui C is in a terrible state but unfortunately this is not it. For €67m I would have expected a lot more than what appears above. Which is a half arsed effort!

cork_south

That looks outdated already.
Knock the thing and start from scratch.

Fianna Fowl

From the Irish Times:

"Cork GAA yesterday unveiled plans for the € 22 million redevelopment and modernisation of Páirc Uí Chaoimh along with the development of a centre of excellence which will include a full sized all weather training facility.The redevelopment of Pairc Ui Chaoimh is part of the first phase of the €67 million redevelopment of Marina Park in the Cork Docklands which was approved last week by Cork City Council and the project will go for planning permission in October."


So the redevelopment of the Pairc will cost €22m and that includes the centre of excellence. This is part of a broader €67m for phase 1 of the redevelopment of Marina Park.


So €22m for the GAA stadium and centre of excellence and €45m on other stuff? €22m seems very afordable.


Also from the Irish Times:
"Under the plan, the existing current stand which has a capacity of 9,000 will be demolished and replaced by a three-tier stand with a capacity of 13,000 while the uncovered stand will be redesigned and roofed with a capacity of 8,000 (down from 9,000) while terrace capacity will remain at 24,000."


Looking at the photos of the new stand, the middle tier i guess will be Premium seating. 2,500 premium seats X €4,000 a seat for 10 year seats (cover all Cork club championship, county league and home county championship games or some such) = €10m


Maybe sell the naming rights also and the redevelopment will nearly be paid for.

lukin

Fianna Fowl wrote: »

From the Irish Times:

"Cork GAA yesterday unveiled plans for the € 22 million redevelopment and modernisation of Páirc Uí Chaoimh along with the development of a centre of excellence which will include a full sized all weather training facility.The redevelopment of Pairc Ui Chaoimh is part of the first phase of the €67 million redevelopment of Marina Park in the Cork Docklands which was approved last week by Cork City Council and the project will go for planning permission in October."


So the redevelopment of the Pairc will cost €22m and that includes the centre of excellence. This is part of a broader €67m for phase 1 of the redevelopment of Marina Park.


So €22m for the GAA stadium and centre of excellence and €45m on other stuff? €22m seems very afordable.


Also from the Irish Times:
"Under the plan, the existing current stand which has a capacity of 9,000 will be demolished and replaced by a three-tier stand with a capacity of 13,000 while the uncovered stand will be redesigned and roofed with a capacity of 8,000 (down from 9,000) while terrace capacity will remain at 24,000."


Looking at the photos of the new stand, the middle tier i guess will be Premium seating. 2,500 premium seats X €4,000 a seat for 10 year seats (cover all Cork club championship, county league and home county championship games or some such) = €10m


Maybe sell the naming rights also and the redevelopment will nearly be paid for.

So what's all this about it being "all-seater". The terraces are not going to be replaced with seats?

Fianna Fowl

lukin wrote: »

So what's all this about it being "all-seater". The terraces are not going to be replaced with seats?

Not all-seater, thanks be to god, terraces are staying. The view from the terraces in the Pairc is excellent. 21,000 covered seats is more than enough for league games during the winter or club games, just open the terraces in the summer for the championship, makes sense.

Current covered stand being knocked and replaced and existing uncovered stand being covered (capacity also being reduced on this stand, i assume to accomodate anyone over 5'10"

Cape Clear

Fianna Fowl wrote: »

Not all-seater, thanks be to god, terraces are staying. The view from the terraces in the Pairc is excellent. 21,000 covered seats is more than enough for league games during the winter or club games, just open the terraces in the summer for the championship, makes sense.

Current covered stand being knocked and replaced and existing uncovered stand being covered (capacity also being reduced on this stand, i assume to accomodate anyone over 5'10"

The day of the terrace is gone for better or worse! Can't remember the last time 21,000 attended a league game in the park.

Fianna Fowl

Cape Clear wrote: »

The day of the terrace is gone for better or worse! Can't remember the last time 21,000 attended a league game in the park.

Would have to disagree O’Connor Park Tullamore, Pearse Stadium Galway, O’Moore Park Galway, Wexford park all have terraces on 3 sides. Ideal for all GAA requirements, covered stand for the women, children and rainy league games in February.

The Dubs bring 20,000 to 30,000 to Croke Park for league games, no reason why Cork hurling could not do the same if the facilities were up to spec and tickets priced favorably. Dublin league games attendance increased over 3 fold when moved from Parnell park to Croke park.

Cape Clear

Fianna Fowl wrote: »

Would have to disagree O’Connor Park Tullamore, Pearse Stadium Galway, O’Moore Park Galway, Wexford park all have terraces on 3 sides. Ideal for all GAA requirements, covered stand for the women, children and rainy league games in February.

The Dubs bring 20,000 to 30,000 to Croke Park for league games, no reason why Cork hurling could not do the same if the facilities were up to spec and tickets priced favorably. Dublin league games attendance increased over 3 fold when moved from Parnell park to Croke park.

The league has always been poorly supported in Cork and kerry I don't see anything like the Dubs figures on the cards even if the redeveloped stadium was up to spec. The current plans fall far short of what a modern stadium should be.

who_me

Is that a "Phase 1"? i.e. do they plan on building a similar stand at the other side at some point in the future? Those images don't really show what changes are being made to the rest of the 'bowl' - can they change the seat size?

Have to admit, I never go to Cork football or hurling games (or indeed Cork City games), and with the kips that Cork sport is played in (Pairc Ui Chaoimh, Musgrave Park, Turners Cross) there isn't much of an incentive for a neutral fan to start. With a shiny new, clean stadium with good facilities and reasonably comfortable seats, I might start. (Even better if all 3 sports were to share the new PUC - I think there would be a huge cross-over of fans - but I can't see that happening).

Fianna Fowl

Cape Clear wrote: »

The league has always been poorly supported in Cork and kerry I don't see anything like the Dubs figures on the cards even if the redeveloped stadium was up to spec. The current plans fall far short of what a modern stadium should be.

Improved facilities brings in the families, Dublin GAA has shown this with the Spring series. At least a 3 fold increase in league attendances.

Looks like a cracking GAA stadium to me, 2 fine stands and 2 excellent terraces. The Casement Park redevelopment in Belfast will be all-seater and is complete overkill, should have kept terraces at both ends. Terracing allows for cheaper ticket prices. 21,000 seats and 24,000 in the terrace is the right balance and meets the needs of Cork GAA.

Many 'modern stadiums' as you call them have no atmosphere and are built to look pretty from the outside but totally forget about the spectator in the stadium, the pathetic stadium formerly know as Lansdowne being a case in point.

bladebrew

Where is the carpark?, its fecking mayhem down there when there is a big match on, the stadium shouldnt even be there anyway it should be at least a bit outside the city, or have free/cheap park and ride for fans, I think they offered park and ride facilties before and tried to fleece the fans so they simply parked on the footpaths and double yellow lines instead:mad:
I will admit that area needs something done to it, it looks dreadful but to me and people who live closer its making the problem bigger not better,

bladebrew

bladebrew wrote: »

Where is the carpark?, its fecking mayhem down there when there is a big match on, the stadium shouldnt even be there anyway it should be at least a bit outside the city, or have free/cheap park and ride for fans, I think they offered park and ride facilties before and tried to fleece the fans so they simply parked on the footpaths and double yellow lines instead:mad:
I will admit that area needs something done to it, it looks dreadful but to me and people who live closer its making the problem bigger not better,

My big criticism would be whether there was real need for the pitch out front of the stadium when it could have had more practical use such as a car park.

CHealy

who_me wrote: »

Is that a "Phase 1"? i.e. do they plan on building a similar stand at the other side at some point in the future? Those images don't really show what changes are being made to the rest of the 'bowl' - can they change the seat size?

Have to admit, I never go to Cork football or hurling games (or indeed Cork City games), and with the kips that Cork sport is played in (Pairc Ui Chaoimh, Musgrave Park, Turners Cross) there isn't much of an incentive for a neutral fan to start.

I'm really sorry there now, but Turners Cross is the best League of Ireland stadium, and probably the best local football stadium on the island. Only Turners Cross and the Aviva are all covered, all seated. You have an abundance of pubs around the ground, food can be easily got inside the ground, very clean toilet facilities, comfortable seat with a great view of what can only be described as a snooker table of a pitch, and a great athmosphere at most games.

What more do you want, there is literally, nothing more Cork City can do to get people to games.

A stupid, lazy comment it has to be said.

mickyboy

€67 million looks rather expensive for what really looks like a new stand, a lick of paint to the rest of the stadium and a whole load of landscaping. Looks like they'll need more money in about 10 years for another redevelopment.

Just wondering why the county board didn't look at a land swap with the Council for some of the land out on the old dump on the South Link (maybe problems regarding methane). Surely this is a prime location for a stadium with proper infrastructure such as roads, parking and amenities in Douglas, Turners X.

Does anyone know how much it would cost to build a brand new 40-45,000 capacity stadium. Doesn't have to be crazy expensive (i.e. new Cork airport terminal) but basic facilities such as legroom, toilets?

murphym7

mickyboy wrote: »

€67 million looks rather expensive for what really looks like a new stand, a lick of paint to the rest of the stadium and a whole load of landscaping. Looks like they'll need more money in about 10 years for another redevelopment.

Just wondering why the county board didn't look at a land swap with the Council for some of the land out on the old dump on the South Link (maybe problems regarding methane). Surely this is a prime location for a stadium with proper infrastructure such as roads, parking and amenities in Douglas, Turners X.

Does anyone know how much it would cost to build a brand new 40-45,000 capacity stadium. Doesn't have to be crazy expensive (i.e. new Cork airport terminal) but basic facilities such as legroom, toilets?

Its not 67 Million its € 22 million

GavRedKing

mickyboy wrote: »

€67 million looks rather expensive for what really looks like a new stand, a lick of paint to the rest of the stadium and a whole load of landscaping. Looks like they'll need more money in about 10 years for another redevelopment.

Just wondering why the county board didn't look at a land swap with the Council for some of the land out on the old dump on the South Link (maybe problems regarding methane). Surely this is a prime location for a stadium with proper infrastructure such as roads, parking and amenities in Douglas, Turners X.

Does anyone know how much it would cost to build a brand new 40-45,000 capacity stadium. Doesn't have to be crazy expensive (i.e. new Cork airport terminal) but basic facilities such as legroom, toilets?

To build a brand new stadium depends on a lot of variables really, transport links, which are shocking to the Pairc IMO, unless you walk you're pretty much screwed, you can park in some of the areas down around the ground but that causes huge problems for residents and traffic flow and restrictions throughout the area and city on a busy day.

Ideally there would be another car park build but then how many times a year is a car park for a few hundred cars going to be used and its not just a case of throwing down some asphalt or concrete to simply make a car park either.

The only bus routes down to the area is the 202 and 210 a bit further away, if you're travelling from a distance away again you're fairly stuck as you'll have to park up, jump on a bus and travel to the game.

At a reserved cost if you were to build a new stadium with a car park on site I'd guess 250million for a 40-45k stadium, theres no way in hell theyhll get funding for it and it will be a white elephant in the long run.

Even if you say off set it with concerts and shows, the reason most acts pick Dublin is the o2 is a purpoe built arena but also the transprt cost, most acts have a few trucks with equipment for stage, lighting etc and they'll ferry them into Dublin, its cheaper to get off the docks in Dublin then to drive down the motorway to Cork.

The best bet is redevelop the area IMO as a new stadium is out of the question, as someone mentioned Croke Park, the reason the Dubs get support is its practically in the City Centre and has more transport links to shift fans around so numbers are more easily boosted.

Fianna Fowl

GavRedKing wrote: »

, the reason the Dubs get support is its practically in the City Centre and has more transport links to shift fans around so numbers are more easily boosted.

South Mall to the Pairc is 2.5Km.

Stephens green luas stop to Croke Park 2.9Km
Abbey Street luas stop or Connolly station are both 2Km

Granted the Cork docklands are not the nicest to walk through but neither is a lot of North inner city Dublin. Also there are big plans to redevelop the Cork docklands

GavRedKing

Fianna Fowl wrote: »

South Mall to the Pairc is 2.5Km.

Stephens green luas stop to Croke Park 2.9Km
Abbey Street luas stop or Connolly station are both 2Km

Granted the Cork docklands are not the nicest to walk through but neither is a lot of North inner city Dublin. Also there are big plans to redevelop the Cork docklands

I'm assuming you've been to Dublin ya?

As you said the ground is in the Inner City, the Marina on the other hand is not and no buses go down by it.

Its alot easier to get to Croke Park from the centre of Dublin then it is the Marina and the Pairc.

With better transport links on matchdays and matchday parking it would be better for everyone involved.

mickyboy

€22 million looks a bit more sensible. Was looking at the Evening Echo article which says €67m for PUC redevelopment.

Wonder if they will put in temporary bars/cafes outside the stadium before matches/concerts. I find that most people go down there last minute as there's nowhere to get a drink or snack directly outside the stadium

leahyl

mickyboy wrote: »

€22 million looks a bit more sensible. Was looking at the Evening Echo article which says €67m for PUC redevelopment.

Wonder if they will put in temporary bars/cafes outside the stadium before matches/concerts. I find that most people go down there last minute as there's nowhere to get a drink or snack directly outside the stadium

They should definitely do something like that - make that whole area into a place with cafes and bars and connect it with the Atlantic pond as well - then have regular events in pairc ui chaoimh (gigs) as well as matches and the place would be buzzing. Sounds easy but not that easy in practice I guess

twinytwo

SeaFields wrote: »

I'm for it lads.

If you attend matches there regularly you would see how poor the stadium is. If your anyway tall your crammed into your seat and the tunnels leading to the stand have the makings of a serious accident someday.

And, its development that will lead to some construction jobs in the short term.

Actually this is a complete waste of money. Yes the stadium needs to be refitted but this money should be spent on youth develpment etc... something that is lacking in cork.

who_me

CHealy wrote: »

I'm really sorry there now, but Turners Cross is the best League of Ireland stadium, and probably the best local football stadium on the island. Only Turners Cross and the Aviva are all covered, all seated. You have an abundance of pubs around the ground, food can be easily got inside the ground, very clean toilet facilities, comfortable seat with a great view of what can only be described as a snooker table of a pitch, and a great athmosphere at most games.

What more do you want, there is literally, nothing more Cork City can do to get people to games.

A stupid, lazy comment it has to be said.

Fair enough, thanks for the correction. I've never been there so was basing it on what I'd seen on TV. It sounds like quite a bit of work has been done to the ground.

Fianna Fowl

GavRedKing wrote: »

I'm assuming you've been to Dublin ya?

As you said the ground is in the Inner City, the Marina on the other hand is not and no buses go down by it.

Its alot easier to get to Croke Park from the centre of Dublin then it is the Marina and the Pairc.

With better transport links on matchdays and matchday parking it would be better for everyone involved.

Most people going to games in Croke Park take the luas, Dart or bus to the city centre and then walk. Croke Park is outside the Canals and i was illustrating that the distance involved in walking from the transport hubs in Dublin to Croke Park is similar to those in Cork walking to the Pairc.

GavRedKing

Fianna Fowl wrote: »

Most people going to games in Croke Park take the luas, Dart or bus to the city centre and then walk. Croke Park is outside the Canals and i was illustrating that the distance involved in walking from the transport hubs in Dublin to Croke Park is similar to those in Cork walking to the Pairc.

But theres more of them, thats the point. You have 3 viable options to get you within a reasonable distance to Croke park, in Cork you've to get the 202 to Ballintemple/Victoria Road/Blackroad Road and walk, the 210's closest stop is somewhere near Ballinlough afaik.

Anyway, if they can put in place a better solution to moving people to and from the venue it will work alot better no matter what the capacity.

twinytwo

twinytwo wrote: »

Actually this is a complete waste of money. Yes the stadium needs to be refitted but this money should be spent on youth develpment etc... something that is lacking in cork.

From what i have seen the last few years ye are producing some top class hurlers and it would be better if ye still had the likes of Sweetnam. Aidan Walsh is also top drawer should he ever opt for the short ball game. He's from a football stronghold too along with William Egan and Mark Sugrue who is from Bandon. Eoin Cadogan, Christopher Joyce, Cahalane, Coughlan, the Pebble....nothing wrong with any of these lads but i would agree that the managerial and coaching structure might need to be looked at.

JP Liz V1

When does this redevelopment supposedly start?

thejuggler

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

When does this redevelopment supposedly start?

The day Frank Murphy retires - the 12th of never!

grenache

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Aidan Walsh is also top drawer should he ever opt for the short ball game. He's from a football stronghold too.

Walsh's club is Kanturk which is hurling country. You'd have to go further south towards Millstreet/Macroom for football territory.

Fianna Fowl

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

When does this redevelopment supposedly start?

Planning application due to be submitted in October 2013

mydiscworld

Article Jan 8, 2014

Cork County Board decision on Páirc Uí Chaoimh planning due in a week
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/cork-county-board-decision-on-pairc-ui-chaoimh-planning-due-in-a-week-254593.html

Haven't heard anything further.

On a good note, the GAA have announced they are now fully debt free
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2014/0204/502195-bumper-gaa-year-clears-croke-park-debt/

mydiscworld

mydiscworld wrote: »

Article Jan 8, 2014

Cork County Board decision on Páirc Uí Chaoimh planning due in a week
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/cork-county-board-decision-on-pairc-ui-chaoimh-planning-due-in-a-week-254593.html

Haven't heard anything further.

Edit: http://www.96fm.ie/News-Local-Info?ItemID=2684
decision on planning for the redevelopment of Pairc Ui Chaoimh ,
could take a number of months ...

On a good note, the GAA have announced they are now fully debt free
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2014/0204/502195-bumper-gaa-year-clears-croke-park-debt/

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JP Liz V1

Do you think anyone will play there this summer, Garth Brooks maybe

lertsnim

After the disaster of last years crowd management I hope nobody plays there again until it is redeveloped.

Flesh Gorden

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Do you think anyone will play there this summer, Garth Brooks maybe

As mad as it sounds, I wouldn't be surprised if two of the dates had to be moved due to licensing issues from the local residents objections.

Now, I'd rather put a mixture of epoxy and wasps in my ears than listen to his music, but it wouldn't be a bad thing to move some of the concerts around to some other large GAA venues.

ShamoBuc

Flesh Gorden wrote: »

As mad as it sounds, I wouldn't be surprised if two of the dates had to be moved due to licensing issues from the local residents objections.

Now, I'd rather put a mixture of epoxy and wasps in my ears than listen to his music, but it wouldn't be a bad thing to move some of the concerts around to some other large GAA venues.

The major problem there would be the dismantling of the stage, the extra ground works to the other ground and putting the stage up again......time and money that I'm sure won't be spent, probably can't happen as he probably has a timetable done out for other countries aswell.

clerk

lertsnim wrote: »

After the disaster of last years crowd management I hope nobody plays there again until it is redeveloped.

I never realised sheer stupidity could be so dangerous.

They never opened the 2nd exit in the Showgrounds until the Gardai insisted. Absolutely crazy. 2 gates instead of 1 and it wasn't opened, created a dangerous bottleneck.

Also, they stopped people exiting by the Atlantic Pond which was ridiculous, 95% of the crowd was sober as it took about 1/2 hour to get a drink and if they were worried about people falling into the pond, a couple of hundred barriers and about 15 stewards would have more than done the trick. If this was opened it would have reduced the numbers going into the Showgrounds significantly.

It was moronic the whole thing.

JP Liz V1

The Cork GAA Board has announced that Cork City Council has approved planning permission for the board's €70 million redevelopment of Páirc Uí Chaoimh Source

beer enigma

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

The Cork GAA Board has announced that Cork City Council has approved planning permission for the board's €70 million redevelopment of Páirc Uí Chaoimh Source

Saw that, is it subject to appeal ?

Surprised they announced it during the local election run up

CHealy

Its the redevelopment of the main stand, plus a bit of an astro pitch out the back. Waste of 70 million when they could have levelled the kip and built a nice big modern stadium.

Rhys Essien

CHealy wrote: »

Its the redevelopment of the main stand, plus a bit of an astro pitch out the back. Waste of 70 million when they could have levelled the kip and built a nice big modern stadium.

Well said.

An all seater,all covered would have been the job.Look at the Juventus stadium built for €105 million.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juventus_Stadium

podmu80

70 million to go from 43,500 to 45,000? Granted, much improved facilities, but they could do so much more for that kind of money. The juventus stadium is a good example.
It could have been so much better than the plans I've seen.I would have loved a all seater, multi purpose arena, but like a transatlantic flight from the airport, it will remain in my dreams.

who_me

This is a bit of a conspiracy theory.. but lots of people have been wondering why they needed a centre of excellence there, where space might be at a premium.

Well, their original plans were to have a hotel adjoining the stadium which were refused. If the adjoining land were to be used for the Marina Park (that's why it was originally CPO'ed from the MAS in the first place), there isn't a hope in hell the GAA would ever be able to get that land back in order to build a hotel on it. But, if it were to be used for a 2nd pitch / centre of excellence, then in 15...20 years time no one would be too bothered if they wanted to build a stadium on one of their own pitches.

clerk

who_me wrote: »

This is a bit of a conspiracy theory.. but lots of people have been wondering why they needed a centre of excellence there, where space might be at a premium.

Well, their original plans were to have a hotel adjoining the stadium which were refused. If the adjoining land were to be used for the Marina Park (that's why it was originally CPO'ed from the MAS in the first place), there isn't a hope in hell the GAA would ever be able to get that land back in order to build a hotel on it. But, if it were to be used for a 2nd pitch / centre of excellence, then in 15...20 years time no one would be too bothered if they wanted to build a stadium on one of their own pitches.

That's a very interesting post but do you mean to say in your final point that "no one would be too bothered if they wanted to build a hotel on one of their own pitches" ?

applehunter

God knows why Cork needs a 45000 capacity stadium.

A top class 30,000-35,000 seater would do grand.

Paz-CCFC

No need for an all-seater, either. One, or maybe two terraces, and you could get an extra 5,000-10,000 capacity without really needing to make the physical size of the stadium bigger. Should be all-covered, though - no excuse at all for a modern stadium to have fans out in the pissing rain. That'd cover the GAA's needs, and if City ever needed something bigger than the Cross for European matches. Maybe even get the odd international football friendly down, too.

who_me

clerk wrote: »

That's a very interesting post but do you mean to say in your final point that "no one would be too bothered if they wanted to build a hotel on one of their own pitches" ?

The GAA wanted to build a hotel right next to the stadium, but were denied. If that land (or part of it) had been used as part of the public Marina Park, there isn't a hope in hell they'd ever be able to buy it and build there. There would be public uproar at public parkland being taken away. But if the land is used for extra pitches/training facilities now, then in a few years time people would be much less bothered if the GAA wanted to convert some of their own property from training facilities into a hotel.

i.e. they could be using the centre of excellent to 'reserve' the land until some time in the future when they could get planning permission for the hotel. If I were devious, that's what I'd do. :P

clerk

who_me wrote: »

i.e. they could be using the centre of excellent to 'reserve' the land until some time in the future when they could get planning permission for the hotel. If I were devious, that's what I'd do. :P

Dowcha Frank.

RoyalCelt

I wouldn't be surprised if in 10/15/20 years time they extended the new stand around the back of one of the goals replacing one of the terraces or built a new stand opposite it. This plan looks like a phase 1 in a very long term plan. I'm sure it will be designed with this in mind.

Lambofdave

RoyalCelt wrote: »

I wouldn't be surprised if in 10/15/20 years time they extended the new stand around the back of one of the goals replacing one of the terraces or built a new stand opposite it. This plan looks like a phase 1 in a very long term plan. I'm sure it will be designed with this in mind.

A bloody expensive phase 1