Physical Therapy Course

opinion guy

Irish lass 2012 wrote: »

because in the private sector the physical therapist is the main physios competitor! Its ridiculous!

But you aren't the physio's main competitor. Arguably chiropractors are and perhaps osteopaths. Hell even in Ireland I think more people are familiar with old fashioned bone-setters than they are 'physical therapists' (or to be more specific - than what the difference is between physical therapists and physiotherapists)

You don't appear to be listening to me. As a consumer, and one who took an interest in these things I might add, I find your name to be misleading. Its nothing to do with who is better than who at what. That doesn't really interest me for the purposes of this discussion. Your therapies name is ridiculously close to another therapies name. That is confusing to patients/clients/consumers/whatever you wish to term them. Simple fact. Why are you fighting with simple facts ?

karlitob

RV wrote: »

"... the IAPT - the same crowd that are teaching you..."
The IAPT (the Association) don't run courses. You might be confusing them with IPTAS (the school) who run the Level 8 Honours degree.

I guess confusion is the point. The public doesn't know who is treating them and what their 'qualifications' represent and who approves them or recognises them.
You also need to check your facts. They IPTAS offer a Level 7 (ORDINARY) BSc in Applied Sciences. and not an HONOURS degree.

"...guess what group of under qualified 'professionals' are not it..."
Assuming the snide reference is to physical therapists, I think you will find that physiotherapists are not in it either, though the legislation they sought is on the books for seven years. Could it be they don't want to join?

I think its pretty obvious who my snide remarks are towards - I see it wasn't wasted on you. Congratulations.
I think YOU'LL find that physiotherapists are in it and were the main drivers in developing this legislation in the first place. There are 12 protected professions in the legislation. coru.ie
Don't want to join....ha. Of course they do

"...you could not hold the knowledge you suggest ..."
This is just a gratuitous insult that should make ordinary physiotherapists cringe. But your posts here and elsewhere on the topic seemed designed to add heat instead of light. It is hard to work out whose side you think you are on.

It is not meant as an insult but as an accurate statement of fact. The previous poster, with only a part time college course than focus in musculoskeletal conditions cannot ever have the the knowledge required to treat the massive variety of patient types that she described. She would not have access to this patient type in her training nor would have them in her clinic in sufficient numbers to be anywhere near competent. Not in the slightest.

karlitob

Irish lass 2012 wrote: »

No of course I do not do cardiac rehab with people, we are not that type of therapist. just to say that Physical therapy and Physiotherapy are both found in the US. It depends what state your in.
Physical Therapists are specialized musculoskeletal therapists, who have extensive training and techniques for musculo skeletal conditions, thats why we are more hands-on, we dont man handle people! Rehabilitation therapists will be more specialised than the physios in hospitals soon, healthcare is evolving we all need to work as a team as we all have our different strengths and specialties and stop knocking each other just because in the private sector the physical therapist is the main physios competitor! Its ridiculous!

No it doesnt depend on what state you are in. Only members of the APTA are registered with the WCPT which is in turn registered with the WHO.

Rehabilitation therapists - yeah they'll take over from physiotherapists...because physio's don't provide rehab at all.

RobFowl

Mod note, Please watch the tone of the debate here. I''m not comfortable with some of the language used and will be asking the other Mods' to have a look too.

karlitob

Irish lass 2012 wrote: »

Our Registers are self regulated! As are Osteopaths and Chiros, Reflexologists and acupuncturists. Thats why we want it to become more regulated. Physical Therapy is very much new to Ireland. And Ireland has to catch up with other countries. Our Registers are professional governing bodies, otherwise health insures would not approve us. All physical Therapists must themselves be insured , how do you expect us to get insurance if we do not have a professional register regulating us. There are 3 main registers for physical therapy in ireland. Eventually they will come together as one big regulating body like your physio charter, when we have enough members. There is only a few thousand physical therapists in ireland. Physiotherapy was set up by the royal college of surgeons and hollistic masseurs, back when ireland was ruled by Britain. The Irish charter then took over. Our register is new, it doesnt mean its not professional!
One of the main reasons our courses have not been made level 8 physical therapy degrees, is because 1) physical therapy as a title is being fought over by the irish chartered physiotherapy board. They want the rights to the name. Until this issue is resolved and the name is then free to be used we will get our degree with physical therapy on them. The royal college of surgeons are fighting it. The royal college of surgeons of ireland would be in the process of loosing money, i.e students numbers, etc! Its just simple bureaucracy! It does not by any means suggest that our backgrounds and courses are not up to standard.

Physical Therapy has been here since 1921, the precurser was rememdial gymnasts who received their charter from King George and not set up by the RCSI. I as a chartered physiotherapist am also a Physical Therapist as I am a member of the World Confederation of Physical Therapy, a registered international group of the WHO who provide physical therapy in Ireland. The IAPT whatever is not.

We will never be joined together in one large group - cop onto yourself.

The main reason your course is Level 7 is that its not at the same standard as physiotherapy level 8 and nothing to do with any other reason.

We don't want the rights to your name. We already have the rights to our name - we want you to stop using it.

The RCSI have no input into the regulation of physiotherapy profession in Ireland. It provides the physiotherapy course - I hardly think it will be fighting to dilute the content.

I definitely am saying that the background and courses are not up to standard.

karlitob

Irish lass 2012 wrote: »

To your ridiculous assumption of my clinical knowledge, I also hold a Neuroscience Degree , so I specialize in Neurological conditions actually in my own clinic, I have an extensive background in neurology , a lot more than your few modules you covered in your degree. I also have done many post graduate courses including Osteopathy which has extensive amounts of Neurological testing, . I have done dissertations and projects on M.S and Epilepsy. My Thesis was on NG-2glia cells in the amygdala of temporal lobe epilepsy patients. I have Manual Lymph Drainage courses done, I work in CUH once a week on cancer patients! I have rheumotologists and orthopaedic consultants from the CUH and Mercy Hospital Cork, referring patients to me for after care and pain management! POST AND PRE OP!! Stop being so ignorant and move with the times!

You're neuroscience degree does not give you competence or scope of practice to treat neurological conditions - only your undergraduate course in your chosen profession can offer that.

Extensive background knowledge...how does your 'profession' define that competence. I can prove mine.

Dissertations - do you have multiple 'degrees'? How does a 'physical therapist' treat abnormal NG-2glia cells in the amygdala of temporal love epilepsy patients? Just because you have done a dissertation on an extremely specific neurological cell in a specific neurologic population does not automatically confer a competence to treat...RA, OA, Burns, MS, PD, From paeds to geriatrics, pre-op, post-op --have I missed a condition - its like a one-stop hospital in your practice.

Irish lass 2012

karlitob wrote: »

You're neuroscience degree does not give you competence or scope of practice to treat neurological conditions - only your undergraduate course in your chosen profession can offer that.

Extensive background knowledge...how does your 'profession' define that competence. I can prove mine.

Dissertations - do you have multiple 'degrees'? How does a 'physical therapist' treat abnormal NG-2glia cells in the amygdala of temporal love epilepsy patients? Just because you have done a dissertation on an extremely specific neurological cell in a specific neurologic population does not automatically confer a competence to treat...RA, OA, Burns, MS, PD, From paeds to geriatrics, pre-op, post-op --have I missed a condition - its like a one-stop hospital in your practice.[/QUOTE

I treat the musculoskeletal problems that occur from neurological conditions, of course I have studied neurology and neurological conditions. With regards to my dissertation I was simply explaining my extensive knowledge of neuro down to the very cellular level , because you questioned my knowledge of the area. With regards to RA and OA , my therapy with these patients its only a part of their over all care. For pain management. And in the case of OA therapy is used to slow down degeneration. Why is this so hard for you to believe? I make huge positive changes to my patients lives. Why would consultants refer to me otherwise ? Why would colleges of mine get referrals from g.ps and dentists?? Why do I have clients turning down free hospital physiotherapy sessions because they want the hands - on treatment and one to one care . We are good at what we do, and the results we get and the differences we make to people's lives are proof of that.

Irish lass 2012

karlitob wrote: »

Physical Therapy has been here since 1921, the precurser was rememdial gymnasts who received their charter from King George and not set up by the RCSI. I as a chartered physiotherapist am also a Physical Therapist as I am a member of the World Confederation of Physical Therapy, a registered international group of the WHO who provide physical therapy in Ireland. The IAPT whatever is not.

We will never be joined together in one large group - cop onto yourself.

The main reason your course is Level 7 is that its not at the same standard as physiotherapy level 8 and nothing to do with any other reason.

We don't want the rights to your name. We already have the rights to our name - we want you to stop using it.

The RCSI have no input into the regulation of physiotherapy profession in Ireland. It provides the physiotherapy course - I hardly think it will be fighting to dilute the content.

I definitely am saying that the background and courses are not up to standard.

I was not saying that physiotherapy and our physical therapy registers will be joined together . I was saying that the 3 seperate physical therapy registers will eventually become one main register. We are different types of therapists. We do not want to joined up with physiotherapy. Maybe our name will change and we will be given a different title. Who knows what will happen. But at the moment we are called physical therapists because we treat musculoskeletal conditions. That's what a physical therapist does in Ireland. What a physical therapist does in the US is irrelevant. We are not in the US we are in Ireland.

Irish lass 2012

opinion guy wrote: »

But you aren't the physio's main competitor. Arguably chiropractors are and perhaps osteopaths. Hell even in Ireland I think more people are familiar with old fashioned bone-setters than they are 'physical therapists' (or to be more specific - than what the difference is between physical therapists and physiotherapists)

You don't appear to be listening to me. As a consumer, and one who took an interest in these things I might add, I find your name to be misleading. Its nothing to do with who is better than who at what. That doesn't really interest me for the purposes of this discussion. Your therapies name is ridiculously close to another therapies name. That is confusing to patients/clients/consumers/whatever you wish to term them. Simple fact. Why are you fighting with simple facts ?

If you have a musculoskeletal condition you can go for treatment to a physiotherapist an osteopath a chiropractor , podiatrist, physical therapist,doctor of sports medicine, Each have different techniques and philosophies to treat the same conditions. You decide who you want to go to for your injury. If you are unsure , you should get advice from your g.p as a first port of call. Each type of therapist has the skills to help your condition/ injury/ somatic dysfunction. There are a lot of professions that have similar sounding titles . However I don't see why one profession should change their name to satisfy their competitor. If you were "man handled" by a physical therapist this is not how we are trained to treat a patient. This therapist was not acting professionally.

sam34

ok folks I think we're done here